alot of the top levels guys have ways of getting the good shit, aids paitients, doctors in the schmoe communtiy, ect.................no matter what someone might want to convince themself......there is a difference between the stuff made by eli lilly and some red, blue, brown, or green top shit coming from some basement in china................... ........and i think the difference is reflected in the physiques of the top competitors, to me it shows.