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Teeing Up the Middle Class for a tax hike.
« on: August 04, 2009, 05:23:21 AM »
Teeing Up the Middle Class
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Few of President Obama’s 2008 campaign pledges were more definitive than his vow that anyone making less than $250,000 a year “will not see their taxes increase by a single dime” if he was elected. And he was right, very strictly speaking: It’s going to be many, many, many billions of dimes.

Asked about raising taxes on the middle class on Sunday on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” White House economist Larry Summers wouldn’t repeat Mr. Obama’s pre-election promise. “It is never a good idea to absolutely rule things out no matter what,” Mr. Summers said—except, apparently, when his boss is running for office. Meanwhile, on ABC’s “This Week,” Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner also slid around Mr. Obama’s vow and said, “We have to bring these deficits down very dramatically. And that’s going to require some very hard choices.”

These aren’t even nondenial denials. The Obama advisers are laying the groundwork for taxing the middle class while claiming the deficit made them do it.

The liberal establishment is even further along in finally admitting that Mr. Obama wasn’t, er, telling the truth. A piece in the New York Times over the weekend declared in a headline that “the Rich Can’t Pay for Everything, Analysts Say.” And it quoted Leonard Burman, a veteran of the Clinton Treasury who now runs the Brookings Tax Policy Center, as saying that “This idea that everything new that government provides ought to be paid for by the top 5%, that’s a basically unstable way of governing.” They’re right, but where were they during the campaign?

In an editorial on February 26, “The 2% Illusion,” we wrote that the feds could take 100% of the taxable income of everyone in America earning more than $500,000 and still have raised only $1.3 trillion even in the boom year of 2006. The rich are fewer and less rich now, while the Obama budget is nearly $4 trillion.

Democrats already plan to repeal the Bush tax cuts, but that won’t raise enough money. So they’re proposing an income tax surcharge on “the wealthy,” but that won’t raise enough either. Democrats have no choice but to soak the middle class because only they have enough money to finance the liberal dream of yoking the middle class to cradle-to-grave government entitlements.

Democrats have already taxed the middle class by raising cigarette taxes to pay for the children’s health-care expansion. They’re also teeing up average earners with their cap-and-tax energy bill. Mr. Obama had hoped that cap-and-tax would raise some $646 billion over a decade, but Democrats in the House had to give most of that away in bribes to business to pass their bill. To finance ObamaCare, they’re also proposing another 10-percentage-point increase in the payroll tax on firms and individuals that don’t purchase health insurance. But this won’t raise enough money either.

So waiting in the wings is the biggest middle-class tax increase of them all: a European-style value added tax, or VAT. This tax would apply to every level of production or service, and it is beloved by politicians in Europe because it raises so much money so easily without voters noticing. Ezekiel Emanuel, a White House aide and brother of Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, has advocated a 10% VAT to finance national health care. Look for a VAT to be one of the prominent options when Mr. Obama’s tax reform commission issues its report later this year.

The undeniable reality is that you can’t run a European-style welfare-entitlement state without European-style levels of taxation on the middle class (and eventually without low European-style growth and high jobless rates). It’s looking more and more like Mr. Obama’s no-middle-class-tax pledge was one of the greatest confidence tricks in American political history.

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Re: Teeing Up the Middle Class for a tax hike.
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2009, 06:41:16 AM »
It's coming. I mean, it has too.

1.)The Chinese are not going to take begging and blowjobs from Timmay Geithner anymore to buy debt. This leads to point #

2.)The Admin (nor the Admin's before it.) will NOT cut spending, nor will they even speak about or give it lip service. It is so out of their minds that they don't even bother to lie about it anymore. This leads to point #

3.)Huge growth in Govt. Leads to huge unfunded deficits coupled with massive Stimulus, bailouts, spending and even a Health Care bill that will drive Health Care costs up further....all done in under a year.

4.)The Chinese see this and get nervous, they see the erosion of the dollar, the see the printing press mentality, the carpet bombing of America and the world with boxes of dollars and they get nervous of a collapse....rightly so.

5.)Final point. With this Admin. never, ever, in a million years even thinking about cutting spending or shrinking Govt....taxes will have to be raised. There is no other way, seeing as we have seen this Admin. and what it's true intentions and colors are.

Taxes will have to go up, and up BIG to assuage the Chinese and to keep them buying our massive and crippling debt. Interestingly enough, the child in the White House doesn't realize that this will not end the debt cycle and will continue to debase the dollar. For the Chinese it means that they will be more and more tied to the U.S., for the short to medium turn. But with new massive new taxes and a debauched and raped dollar, the U.S. citizen will have a harder and harder time trying to buy all those Chinese goods that keep those Chinese factories humming.

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Re: Teeing Up the Middle Class for a tax hike.
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2009, 06:43:57 AM »
Great post as usual Gigantor. 

The usual gang of lemmings will be by to attack Palin, Bush, and ignore this story. 

Cap & Trade, VAT, Health Care, etc will be the end. 

 

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Re: Teeing Up the Middle Class for a tax hike.
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2009, 06:50:39 AM »
It's all coming.

We have to be realistic about it. Look at the size of Govt. and how it grew under Bush and then look at Obama making Bush look like a fiscal conservative. Look at this Admin's plans, what they have already done, we are still engaged in 2 wars, their admission of future debts and fiscal deficits being in the trillions for 10+ years.....and all of this based upon the magical 4% GDP growth that, honestly, doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon.

Titanic Govt. growth+Stimulus+Printing Press+Pie in the Sky Budget Projections+Chinese Shitting Their Pants+Non-Existant GDP Growth..........= Raised Taxes on anyone who produces.

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Re: Teeing Up the Middle Class for a tax hike.
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2009, 06:53:40 AM »
It's all coming.

We have to be realistic about it. Look at the size of Govt. and how it grew under Bush and then look at Obama making Bush look like a fiscal conservative. Look at this Admin's plans, what they have already done, we are still engaged in 2 wars, their admission of future debts and fiscal deficits being in the trillions for 10+ years.....and all of this based upon the magical 4% GDP growth that, honestly, doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon.

Titanic Govt. growth+Stimulus+Printing Press+Pie in the Sky Budget Projections+Chinese Shitting Their Pants+Non-Existant GDP Growth..........= Raised Taxes on anyone who produces.

Check this out.  These deficits are based on 4% growth. 

Compare those deficits to my next pic of the drop in federal tax receipts. 

For anyone to not understand how bad this is going to get is just drinking the MSM and Obama kool-aide. 


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Re: Teeing Up the Middle Class for a tax hike.
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2009, 07:19:12 AM »
I think it's good to see Obama finally coming to his senses.

He came across as pretty fiscally irresponsible during the election race, talking about tax cuts.

That's not how you balance the budget.

Obama needs to cut down on government expenses – eg the Military.

But he also needs to raise certain taxes when the economy has started to rebound.

Creating a positive balance is central.
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Re: Teeing Up the Middle Class for a tax hike.
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2009, 07:58:35 AM »


So, the solution to help a sinking economy with unprecedented joblessness is to raise taxes on everyone that isn't poor?

Responsible? He is irresponsible and incompatent and now as we are seeing first hand, is a complete liar/fraud.

Bigger government is never the answer- financing illusory economic growth with more tax payer money is just as crooked a proposition as the criminals on wall street inflating the potential market for bad debt and property values on bad mortgages purchased by unqualified borrowers.

Eventually you run out of smoke and mirrors and the unbelievably harsh reality comes into focus; There isn't enough money (not even rich peoples money) to keep this ongoing ponzi scheme alive, things are not getting better and all this "hope", "change" and "progress" turns out to be are buzz words that helped an empty suit con the American people into getting elected.

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Re: Teeing Up the Middle Class for a tax hike.
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2009, 08:03:35 AM »
I think it's good to see Obama finally coming to his senses.

He came across as pretty fiscally irresponsible during the election race, talking about tax cuts.

That's not how you balance the budget.

Obama needs to cut down on government expenses – eg the Military.

But he also needs to raise certain taxes when the economy has started to rebound.

Creating a positive balance is central.

The cuts need to come from everywhere. Obama's budget is a disaster and our nation can't sustain trillion dollar deficits for a decade. The budget must be balanced and the economy needs to stop being interfered with. This media blitz by the Admin. is sickening.

Let's face it, the Chinese and much of the world want OUT of the U.S. Dollar. They know what is going on, they see it and they want out. How it plays out in the near term will be a very interesting thing to see.

Food for Thought: http://www.leap2020.eu/When-China-prepares-its-Great-Escape-from-the-dollar-trap-for-the-end-of-summer-2009_a3582.html







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Re: Teeing Up the Middle Class for a tax hike.
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2009, 08:05:28 AM »

So, the solution to help a sinking economy with unprecedented joblessness is to raise taxes on everyone that isn't poor?

Responsible? He is irresponsible and incompatent and now as we are seeing first hand, is a complete liar/fraud.

Bigger government is never the answer- financing illusory economic growth with more tax payer money is just as crooked a proposition as the criminals on wall street inflating the potential market for bad debt and property values on bad mortgages purchased by unqualified borrowers.

Eventually you run out of smoke and mirrors and the unbelievably harsh reality comes into focus; There isn't enough money (not even rich peoples money) to keep this ongoing ponzi scheme alive, things are not getting better and all this "hope", "change" and "progress" turns out to be are buzz words that helped an empty suit con the American people into getting elected.

Never said the government should increase in size.

Actually, I wrote the opposite.

Slim down the Military and other branches of the government that are too big.

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Re: Teeing Up the Middle Class for a tax hike.
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2009, 08:12:28 AM »
Never said the government should increase in size.

Actually, I wrote the opposite.

Slim down the Military and other branches of the government that are too big.



Obama is increasing our committment to Afganistan.  Additionally, we are already taxed to death.   

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Re: Teeing Up the Middle Class for a tax hike.
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2009, 08:19:32 AM »
If the a politician or leader said this:

"To balance our budget and ensure our survival we need to drastically cut spending in all area's and if that isn't enough we will have to raise certain taxes to bring about the sustainability of our nation."

I would probably vote for that person.

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2009, 08:28:42 AM »
If the a politician or leader said this:

"To balance our budget and ensure our survival we need to drastically cut spending in all area's and if that isn't enough we will have to raise certain taxes to bring about the sustainability of our nation."

I would probably vote for that person.

Correct, however, that is never going to happen with Obama since he is beholden to the SEIU, CSEA, etc.