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Question for those who dont believe in evolution
« on: August 16, 2009, 09:15:14 PM »
why are there different races? black, asian, white, hispanic etc...

If we all descended from the same 2 ppl wouldnt we all be the same race?


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Re: Question for those who dont believe in evolution
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2009, 04:26:11 AM »
I do "believe in" or rather accept evolution, at and below the level of species, but to answer your question:

VIDEO: Where Did the “Races” Come From?  Parts 1 & 2

Length: 30 Min

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/awkh/where-races-come-from

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Re: Question for those who dont believe in evolution
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2009, 05:34:36 AM »
Where Did the “Races” Come From? (PDF format)
http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/pdf/media/radio/races_booklet.pdf

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Re: Question for those who dont believe in evolution
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2009, 05:37:55 AM »

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Re: Question for those who dont believe in evolution
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2009, 05:47:06 AM »
why are there different races? black, asian, white, hispanic etc...

If we all descended from the same 2 ppl wouldnt we all be the same race?



Environmental adaptations. People from the northern hemisphere are not exposed to nearly as much solar radiation as people from the tropics so their pigments don't need to produce as much melanin. Every variation in race is totally attributed to evolution.

PS. I know I shouldn't have answered because it wasn't directed towards me but I do want to hear other explanations. I just don't want to sift through loco's 3 hour clips from an obviously unbiased website.  ;)

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Re: Question for those who dont believe in evolution
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2009, 05:55:46 AM »
Environmental adaptations. People from the northern hemisphere are not exposed to nearly as much solar radiation as people from the tropics so their pigments don't need to produce as much melanin. Every variation in race is totally attributed to evolution.

PS. I know I shouldn't have answered because it wasn't directed towards me but I do want to hear other explanations. I just don't want to sift through loco's 3 hour clips from an obviously unbiased website.  ;)

30 minutes, Joel!

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Re: Question for those who dont believe in evolution
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2009, 06:20:03 AM »
I do "believe in" or rather accept evolution, at and below the level of species, but to answer your question:

VIDEO: Where Did the “Races” Come From?  Parts 1 & 2

Length: 30 Min

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/awkh/where-races-come-from
ill try and watch your clips today loco, is it simply a traditional anthropoligical view of how races came about?

Ok now see heres the problem with your statement as I see it. The term species is nothing more then a man made term its not some biological line drawn in the sand. We could in fact take a broader view of the term and we would have less species. If you agree that evolution happens then eventually over time there will be enough change within a "species" that it no longer resembles the "species" from lets say point A to point B.

The term species is just a term and further more it was created by man it is in no way a barrier to the biological events of evolution.

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Re: Question for those who dont believe in evolution
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2009, 08:49:01 PM »
ill try and watch your clips today loco, is it simply a traditional anthropoligical view of how races came about?

Ok now see heres the problem with your statement as I see it. The term species is nothing more then a man made term its not some biological line drawn in the sand. We could in fact take a broader view of the term and we would have less species. If you agree that evolution happens then eventually over time there will be enough change within a "species" that it no longer resembles the "species" from lets say point A to point B.

The term species is just a term and further more it was created by man it is in no way a barrier to the biological events of evolution.

exactly reproduction potential is often used as the barrier, we have witnessed evolution of species to the point of incompatibility, making new species which meet the criteria of the definition. So to say below the level of a species is rather inaccurate.

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Re: Question for those who dont believe in evolution
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2009, 01:22:49 AM »
exactly reproduction potential is often used as the barrier, we have witnessed evolution of species to the point of incompatibility, making new species which meet the criteria of the definition. So to say below the level of a species is rather inaccurate.


Dear friend, I would greatly appreciate an Example of this, if you don't mind. Quiet intriguing to say the least. Peace!





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Re: Question for those who dont believe in evolution
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2009, 10:28:34 AM »

Dear friend, I would greatly appreciate an Example of this, if you don't mind. Quiet intriguing to say the least. Peace!





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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

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HERE IS MORE
ere is a short list of referenced speciation events. I picked four relatively well-known examples, from about a dozen that I had documented in materials that I have around my home. These are all common knowledge, and by no means do they encompass all or most of the available examples.

Example one:


Two strains of Drosophila paulistorum developed hybrid sterility of male offspring between 1958 and 1963. Artificial selection induced strong intra-strain mating preferences.
(Test for speciation: sterile offspring and lack of interbreeding affinity.)

Dobzhansky, Th., and O. Pavlovsky, 1971. "An experimentally created incipient species of Drosophila", Nature 23:289-292.

Example two:


Evidence that a species of fireweed formed by doubling of the chromosome count, from the original stock. (Note that polyploids are generally considered to be a separate "race" of the same species as the original stock, but they do meet the criteria which you suggested.)
(Test for speciation: cannot produce offspring with the original stock.)

Mosquin, T., 1967. "Evidence for autopolyploidy in Epilobium angustifolium (Onaagraceae)", Evolution 21:713-719

Example three:


Rapid speciation of the Faeroe Island house mouse, which occurred in less than 250 years after man brought the creature to the island.
(Test for speciation in this case is based on morphology. It is unlikely that forced breeding experiments have been performed with the parent stock.)

Stanley, S., 1979. Macroevolution: Pattern and Process, San Francisco, W.H. Freeman and Company. p. 41

Example four:


Formation of five new species of cichlid fishes which formed since they were isolated less than 4000 years ago from the parent stock, Lake Nagubago.
(Test for speciation in this case is by morphology and lack of natural interbreeding. These fish have complex mating rituals and different coloration. While it might be possible that different species are inter-fertile, they cannot be convinced to mate


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Re: Question for those who dont believe in evolution
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2009, 10:32:30 AM »
All forms of natural speciation have taken place over the course of evolution, though it still remains a subject of debate as to the relative importance of each mechanism in driving biodiversity.[4]

 
The three-spined stickleback (Gasterosteus aculeatus)One example of natural speciation is the diversity of the three-spined stickleback, a marine fish which, after the last ice age, has undergone speciation into new freshwater colonies in isolated lakes and streams. Over an estimated 10,000 generations, the sticklebacks show structural differences that are greater than those seen between different genera of fish including variations in fins, changes in the number or size of their bony plates, variable jaw structure, and color differences.[5]

There is debate as to the rate at which speciation events occur over geologic time. While some evolutionary biologists claim that speciation events have remained relatively constant over time, some palaeontologists such as Niles Eldredge and Stephen Jay Gould have argued that species usually remain unchanged over long stretches of time, and that speciation occurs only over relatively brief intervals, a view known as punctuated equilibrium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation

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