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Obama Ally: Dem Majority Is History If Health Reform Fails
« on: August 20, 2009, 12:07:31 PM »
 top Obama ally predicted Wednesday in an interview with ABC News that Democrats will lose their congressional majority in next year's midterm elections if they fail to put a health-care reform bill on President Obama's desk.

"I think we're talking losing control of Congress," said Andy Stern, the president of the Service Employees International Union. "[The failure of health-care reform] would totally empower Republicans to kill all change."

"It's hard to imagine the Democrats convincing the public that Republicans are to blame for health-care reform going down when the Democrats have such large majorities," he added. "After last year's promise of change, voters will start feeling buyer's remorse."

Stern, who was invited to sit with the Obama family during the president's inaugural parade, is watched closely on health-care reform not only because of the labor muscle he wields as the head of the 2-million member SEIU but also because of the effort he has made to work with business groups: in 2007, he started "Divided We Fail," a coalition which joined SEIU and AARP with the Business Roundtable and National Federation of Independent Business to promote the general principle of universal health care coverage.   

Stern did not tie his 2010 prediction to the inclusion of a public option in the final bill. He did, however, warn that dropping a public option could "unravel" support for the more modest package of insurance reforms that President Obama began emphasizing last week.

"If there is going to be a mandate without real cost control and without an adequate subsidy, it's hard for us to go to our members and say, 'you have to buy insurance even though we know you can't afford it'," said Stern.

Since lawmakers have already decided not to pursue strict regulations on insurance premium increases, Stern said that a public option is the only real cost control mechanism on the table. Without the cost control provided by a public plan, Stern says it would be difficult for SEIU to support an individual mandate which would require all adults to purchase health insurance.

If support for an individual mandate collapses, it will become difficult for the Democrats to help those with pre-existing conditions who are currently denied coverage in the individual market. The insurance industry has made clear throughout the process that it will fight guaranteed issue and community rating tooth and nail if it does not get a new federal requirement that all adults purchase insurance. The insurance industry says that an individual mandate must go hand-in-hand with guaranteed issue and community rating because customers will otherwise avoid buying insurance until they are sick.

In addition to viewing a public option as vital to cost control, Stern is also concerned about the reach of the subsidies that are being proposed and suggested that they will be inadequate if members of the Senate Finance Committee were to limit them to 300 percent of poverty.

As for the idea of creating a co-op instead of a government insurance option, Stern said it was a non-starter.

"There is no way that a co-op can compete with Aetna or United American," said Stern.

He signaled that a more acceptable compromise might be to create a public option whose creation is only triggered if certain circumstances are met.

"It's obviously better than no public option," said Stern.

While Stern left the impression that a public option with a trigger was a more acceptable compromise than a co-op, he stopped short of actually endorsing the trigger approach.

While warning of grave consequences if the Democrats fail on health-care reform, Stern said that he is optimistic that Senate Democrats will find a way forward, possibly with the help of Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe (R).

To help Democrats get the votes that they need, Stern is prepared to use SEIU resources to pressure recalcitrant Democrats in Congress if progress is not made by Sept. 15, the deadline which Senate Finance Committee negotiators have set for themselves.

For now, however, he is holding his fire against fellow Democrats since the president has signaled through his staff that he does not want Democrats shooting at one another.

"We call it: 'helping the president be successful,'" said Stern with a smile. "I think Democrats find a way forward in the Senate when they stop believing that they're going to get [Iowa Sen. Chuck] Grassley and [Wyoming Sen. Mike] Enzi."
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Re: Obama Ally: Dem Majority Is History If Health Reform Fails
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2009, 12:23:13 PM »
They are going to lose it either way. 

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Re: Obama Ally: Dem Majority Is History If Health Reform Fails
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2009, 01:15:30 PM »
That's the whole fucking problem.  Who cares which party has control?  They're both destroying this country.  Both parties are out of touch with the people

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Re: Obama Ally: Dem Majority Is History If Health Reform Fails
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2009, 01:19:29 PM »
I do think there majority is at risk and the Repubs know this too which is exactly why they are fighting like mad and doing anything it take (i.e. lying, obstructing, etc..) to prevent it from happening.   

The Dem's have a majority now and they were voted into office to do the will of the people who voted them in.

It's time to stop wasting time trying to appeal the the Repubs.  It's a complete waste of effort and it's unnecessary.

The Dems should publicly rescind all concessions they've given to the Repubs and tell them to sit down and shut up.   Their votes are not needed and the Dems should stop wasting their time and get on with the business at hand.


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Re: Obama Ally: Dem Majority Is History If Health Reform Fails
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2009, 02:41:04 PM »
"Buyer's remorse."  Funny.  It's true. 

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Re: Obama Ally: Dem Majority Is History If Health Reform Fails
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Re: Obama Ally: Dem Majority Is History If Health Reform Fails
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2009, 03:01:47 PM »
I do think there majority is at risk and the Repubs know this too which is exactly why they are fighting like mad and doing anything it take (i.e. lying, obstructing, etc..) to prevent it from happening.   

The Dem's have a majority now and they were voted into office to do the will of the people who voted them in.

It's time to stop wasting time trying to appeal the the Repubs.  It's a complete waste of effort and it's unnecessary.

The Dems should publicly rescind all concessions they've given to the Repubs and tell them to sit down and shut up.   Their votes are not needed and the Dems should stop wasting their time and get on with the business at hand.




Lets see, why aren't they doing this? Because they know it is a train wreck waiting to happen. People are catching on to this bullshit and voicing their displeasure. So if this is a purley democrat bill they are FUBAR at the next election and they know it.  Yeah good idea on the concesion thing, what happens when the pendulum swings back the other way, the Repubs tell the dems to sit down and shut the fuck up as well?
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Re: Obama Ally: Dem Majority Is History If Health Reform Fails
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2009, 03:30:50 PM »
The Democrats have made a big gamble and they lost. If they had just put this healthcare and cap and trade fiasco on the backburner they would still have a good chance of keeping thier majority in spite of the stimulus package. Obama and the Democrats made a huge political mistake by trying to put too much on thier plate. Now they have put themselves in a position where they may be screwed no matter what they decide to do at this point.
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Re: Obama Ally: Dem Majority Is History If Health Reform Fails
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2009, 08:45:46 PM »
I do think there majority is at risk and the Repubs know this too which is exactly why they are fighting like mad and doing anything it take (i.e. lying, obstructing, etc..) to prevent it from happening.   

The Dem's have a majority now and they were voted into office to do the will of the people who voted them in.

HELLO!!! Earth to Straw Man!!! The people have said, in no uncertain terms, that they DO NOT WANT the Dems' healthcare plan, as it stands now.


It's time to stop wasting time trying to appeal the the Repubs.  It's a complete waste of effort and it's unnecessary.

The Dems should publicly rescind all concessions they've given to the Repubs and tell them to sit down and shut up.   Their votes are not needed and the Dems should stop wasting their time and get on with the business at hand.



And, when/if the Dems get beat down in 2010 and/or 2012, giving the GOP the majority back, I hope you remember what you just said. I doubt you were in favor of the Dems, just sitting down and shutting up, when the Republicans were in the majority just four years ago.

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Re: Obama Ally: Dem Majority Is History If Health Reform Fails
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2009, 09:08:43 PM »
HELLO!!! Earth to Straw Man!!! The people have said, in no uncertain terms, that they DO NOT WANT the Dems' healthcare plan, as it stands now.

And, when/if the Dems get beat down in 2010 and/or 2012, giving the GOP the majority back, I hope you remember what you just said. I doubt you were in favor of the Dems, just sitting down and shutting up, when the Republicans were in the majority just four years ago.

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I agree

I think most if not all of the people who voted for Obama don't want his health care plan

I also think all the people who didn't vote for him don't want it either

I think he should do what the people who voted him into office want him to do