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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #75 on: March 28, 2009, 11:29:54 AM »
First off, that products isnt even made anymore.We havent made that product since 05-06. If you read the thread Patrick Arnold is bacially telling you to get a life.By the way the hormone wasnt DHEA, it never was.If it was DHEA I would have just put DHEA on the label.Why wouldnt DHEA, works, it has alot of benefits.When that post was going on I got a PM from Patrick Arnold telling me how much of a nutcase you were.He goes what is up with this guy?
My company buys raw materials from Patrick Arnold, so you cannot turn him against me aswell.
I still see pics no of you?  Your the master of deception.You come on this board talk trash, but hide your name and your face.The worst part is you call other people who show there faces, and name deceptive.Atleast I am man enough to say, who I am and show my face.Van I fogot more about training chemistry ,diet, and life then you will ever know.Your a pitifull dark soul.Who is bitter and lashes out because your typical internet loser

I doubt you got any such PM from him. It's not like I was hounding him in numerous PMs. I just put up a perfectly reasonable thread asking my questions. If you check PA's history there he gets in tons of discussions like that over fraudulent and deceptive labeling and so on. That's what he does and he is mostly right IMHO. You think he was dissing me there? That's not how I read it, he was basically saying you were a moron but he didn't wish to get in anymore e-fights since he was involved in so many of them. But, anyone can read the thread and come to their own conclusions I guess.

And I'm a "dark soul"? You have lots of hating posts here. Weren't you dissing that one girl over her nose the other day? Yeah, you're such a positive gentleman.  ::)

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #76 on: March 28, 2009, 11:49:05 AM »
As far ass CEE  goes I have lab assays showing it comes up as Creatine Monohydrate.If you want I will email you the lab assays Van.I have never seen a CEE, or a CEM ever come up as an Ester in a independent lab assay.If you know of a CEE  that is legit send it to me Van and I will have it lab asayed at Miller labs in Utah.
I have lab assayed atleast a dozen CEE and not one of them came up as an Ester.
Why would you want to Bond a Ehtyl Ester to creatine anyways?????
Why not just raise the PH like Jeff Golini did, and make something that really works?
These companies got to stop with the CEE, CEAM,Creatine Taurinate, Creatine Gluconate, Creatine Ethyl Ester Beta-Alanine,Creatine Pyruvate,Creatine Ester Phosphate,.It really has gotten out of hand.Theyare just making up names now.
The Chinese suppliers are making fancy names for inexpensive creatine.
Van show me how can you bond Creatine Monohydrate to an Ester, and have it come out as an Ester.Van get me a bottle, AND i EVEN PAY FOR THE aSSAY

Look, I'm NOT a chemist so I don't know. Patrick Arnold says this is simple elementary chemistry though. I've also seen that there have been studies done on the compound. If there was no such thing it would have been exposed a long time ago I think. So my bet is that you're the one mistaken here.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19228401
Dante also sells it on trueprotein and I doubt he would sell a scam like that.
http://www.trueprotein.com/Product_Details.aspx?cid=25&pid=2369#Details

Jeff Golini is the guy who sells the LBA's that Hernon used to sell before going with Dante's product, right? The marketing info for that product was deceptive as well IMO. Dante finally said it was nothing but hydrolyzed collagen like some of us on professionalmuscle had thought, despite protests to the contrary.

Here's something else interesting:
http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2004/allamerican.shtml
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Furthermore, in the “All American Quality” section, under the heading “Our In-House Lab,” your website states the following: “All inbound raw material will be FDA validated,” “All finished products will be FDA validated,” and “Your product will meet label claims backed by the only analyzer FDA validated.” These statements are false; FDA does not validate or approve your finished products, the raw materials you use, or your laboratory equipment. These false representations cause the products sold on your website to be misbranded under section 403(a)(1) (for dietary supplements and other foods) or section 502(a)(for drugs) of the Act.

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #77 on: March 28, 2009, 05:20:41 PM »
Dante doesnt sell scams, I know that for a fact.Maybe he would a source that is a realy Ester creatine, or he vjust carries it because he gets requests for it.Dante is a raw material suppleir so some people may insist on on having CEE, so he just gives them what they want.
Van you right you not a chemist, your not even  a bodybuilder, so dont come on this board tryinbg to act like one.
Go  hang out at the Richard Simmons webiste or something.You have no idea what your talking about.
You put your name and Patrick Arnold in the same sentence.Patrick Arnold is a genious, and doesnt hide behind a screen like you do.
Now you trying to bash Jeff Golini, nice,  your a real class act.Jeff Golini is a very very legitimate man who is very reputable.Van go crawl back in your hole .Your an idiot, and you have no useful information for anyobdy

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #78 on: March 28, 2009, 07:27:44 PM »
Van dont even talkabout guys like Patrick Arnold of Jeff Golini.Especially if you know nothing about them.
Jeff Golini took creatine to a whole new level.He changed the PH, by doing this he stopped the conversoion of creatinine.His creatine doesnt cause bloating ,cramping, the runs , ,water retention like most creatiine monohydrates do.Jeff Golini is a genius, and anybody who has used Kre-ALKALYN SWEARS BY IT.I have been messing with for 4 years now, without any negative side effects or problems.
The only people who bash Kre-Alklayn or Jeff Golini are crooks or losers themselves.They only bash because they either cant afford it or they cant compete with it.Do you realize he is so smart he has a patent that says no other company can produce a creatine product with a PH above 7.If they do its patent infrignement.I know because he is suing a company right now, for claining they have a PHof 8.Kre-alklayn has a PH of 12-14 which makes it ideal for absorption.Its at an alkalyn level so it doesnt cause stomach distress.He created the ideal situation for creatine.
Jeff Golini is some one I look up to, and is a true genious.

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #79 on: March 28, 2009, 07:56:09 PM »
Jeff Golini took creatine to a whole new level.He changed the PH, by doing this he stopped the conversoion of creatinine.

Really?  :D

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Kre-alkalyn® supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates

Tallon MJ1 and Child R2. Kre-alkalyn® supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates. 1University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom.2Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom.

All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp. (Billings, MT, USA) claim that Kre-alkalyn® (KA) is a "Buffered" creatine, is 100% stable in stomach acid and does not convert to creatinine. In contrast, they also claim that creatine monohydrate (CM) is highly pH labile with more than 90% of the creatine converting to the degradation product creatinine in stomach acids. To date, no independent or university laboratory has evaluated the stability of KA in stomach acids, assessed its possible conversion to creatinine, or made direct comparisons of acid stability with CM. This study examined whether KA supplementation reduced the rate of creatine conversion to creatinine, relative to commercially available CM (Creapure®). Creatine products were analyzed by an independent commercial laboratory using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP). Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37± 1°C and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes and immediately analyzed by HPLC (UV) for creatine and creatinine. In contrast to the claims of All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp., the rate of creatinine formation from CM was found to be less than 1% of the initial dose, demonstrating that CM is extremely stable under acidic conditions that replicate those of the stomach. This study also showed that KA supplementation actually resulted in 35% greater conversion of creatine to creatinine than CM. In conclusion the conversion of creatine to creatinine is not a limitation in the delivery of creatine from CM and KA is less stable than CM in the acid conditions of the stomach.

This research was presented at the 4th Annual International Society of Sports Nutrition Conference (Las Vegas, USA)



His creatine doesnt cause bloating ,cramping, the runs , ,water retention like most creatiine monohydrates do.

Its at an alkalyn level so it doesnt cause stomach distress.He created the ideal situation for creatine.
Jeff Golini is some one I look up to, and is a true genious.

Not everyone agrees  :D

Quote from: Patrick Arnold
kre alkylyn tied my stomach in knots

http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showpost.php?p=1324366&postcount=82

The only people who bash Kre-Alklayn or Jeff Golini are crooks or losers themselves.They only bash because they either cant afford it or they cant compete with it.

Here's what Patrick thinks of Kre-Alkalyn's marketing claims:
Quote from: Patrick Arnold
sorry but this is full of marketing manipulation of science to deceive people

it is full of BS.

in fact it disgusts me.

he is lying about the massive instability of creatine in acidic solution.

he is lying about creatinine being toxic
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i have scoured the published literature and there is not a single study showing that there is a rapid degradation of creatine to creatinine at ANY pH. the inventor of kre-alkalyn does not even present any data or reference any study showing any data to support his contention either

therefore it is my conclusion that he is a self serving lying son of a bitch
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=401502

So Patrick is a crook and loser? Or is he a genius like you said earlier :D

I like Patrick but this Golini dude has a long history with lots of unsubstantiated claims for his products. He may be a genius in playing the supplement market and making money off naive consumers though. :D

I have used Kre-Alkalyn myself when I've gotten it for free. Nothing special. I think the reason some feel you get less water retention and stomach irritation with it is simply because you use less of it. After all, it's just the same creatine mixed with buffers.

As usual you wont be able to debate any of my actual points. Yeah, you have a 21'' arm. That's great, congratulations.

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #80 on: March 28, 2009, 09:01:22 PM »
When it comes to hormones Patrick Arnold is a genius.When it come to powders Jeff Golini is a genious.
Every chemist has there strong points, this I know.I know both Jeff, and Patrick, and they may not see eye to eye on everything they both have impressive resumes.I have never anyody repautble bash Kre-Alklayn, they only people that do havent taken enough of it, or havent really researched it.
Some people think Patrick Arnold is a scam, I dont but there are people that do,.
I know one thing his raw materials are expensive as sh#$# .I know we buy the androsterone, and the 4-etioallcholen-3,6,17-trione.Both work great.
I do buissness with both Jeff Goini, and Patrick Arnold .Patrick makes the best estrogen blockers -Raw Hormones, and Jeff makes the best creatine.
As far as 21" arms go, thanx but they arent 21" anymore the pics is 2 years old.I would say my arms are probably around 20" now.I weigh right around 245lbs -250lbs.I dont need to be big anymore I am retired from competing.
I just want to be in shape now.I have nothing to prove.Now I just help and advise other athletes on how they can achieve and conquer there goals.The sport has to continue to grow, and my time to pass the torch the the younger guys coming up.Like my mentors once passed the torch to me

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #81 on: March 29, 2009, 03:25:44 AM »
GetitOny is getting destroyed here by Van the Man.

Hilarious.

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #82 on: March 29, 2009, 10:35:39 AM »
I always appreciatte Van Bilderass's posts----he's one of the most informative and no-nonsense posters on here

GetitonNY has shot his credibility in the foot more than once------the pinnacle was his fervent protesting that MIchael Lockett was a natural...just fucking ridiculous, to think anyone would believe that crap

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #83 on: March 29, 2009, 10:35:55 AM »
Robins I am not getting destroyed.Van did like he aways does, use Patrick Arnolds information, not his own.He is smart enough to go head to head or toe to toe with me.
I was alot of respect for Patrick Arnold and what he has done for the industry,but I have to strongly disagree with what he is saying about Kre-Alklayln.Patrick Arnold is known for his hormones, not his powders.Evertime he has came out with a powder product it really has never sold even close to what his hormones sell.PA is talking is his post that he doesnt beleive in Kre-alklany, but where is his proven research that it doesnt work?.When I read PA post I found it hard to beleive he was bashing Jeff Golinii's character.PA is no angel.PA is a felon, Jeff Golini has no cimminal history?So are we going to bash PA for having a record or judge him? There are alot of people who thinjk PA is a scam.I am not one of them but he has just as much haters as he does fans.I like PA, is he a rebel.
Where is his research that proves CEE actually exists.I have to independent assays that are from the largest supplier in China of CEE.That when tested came up as just creatine monohydrate.Expalin this ? There was no Ester or Ethyl Ester detected.The Chinese are creatine these odd chemical names and suckering companies.There is no such thing as Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate.There is no such thing as Creatine Ethyl Ester Beta ALANINE.Its all just creatine monohydrate, with a fancy name attached to it.Plus the Chinese creatine is known to contain high amounts of lead and aresenic? Why did PA mention this? Probably because he doesnt know.PA is a hormone expert, guru, and god so to speak.But when it comes to powders, I think there are people with more knowledge.
I have worked with Kre-ALklyn for 4 years now, and I have doen the homework on it.Nothing works better.It does cause gas, bloating water retention, and it just works.Nothing works like it, and nothing will.The problem is it is justy creatine monohydrate, with a higher PH.IT doesnt have a fancy name attached to itLie ethyl ester betalanine malate taurinate glconate lol.Its like these companies are seiing how many names, they can attach to the name creatine.Its silly.Why mess or bond creatine at all.If they would have stuck to making creatine in America like they did in 90's they wouldnt need to come up with the fancy name.Because back then creatine worked, the old Phosphagen made in the USA by Phfestyl, ( i forgot how to spell there name) worked better then any Chinese creatine ever has and ever will.Now creatine is mass produced they rush the drying process, thats why most of its garbage.Kre-ALKLAYN is American made, and works better then the original Phosphaghen ever did.Kre-alklayn cost 10 times more then chinese creatine, and 5 times more then CEE.Kre-Alkalyn costs as much per kilo  as the old American creatine did in 1995.So basically your paying the same price for a product that is better 14 years later.Like I said before the only people who bash Kre-Alklayn is the people who havent used it, or doen there research.I can name atleast 2 dozen pro athletes who swear by it.They may endorse CEE products but Kre-Alklayn is what they really use.

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #84 on: March 29, 2009, 10:40:59 AM »
Only a fool would defend a person who looks this bad.Van Bilderaas's post are nonsense, just like this body he built.If you want to look like this, then listen to him.Its like the blind leading the blind.If you want to look like him then listen to him.I got this pic form a relaible source.He hasnt proved me wrong yet.Most people look better then this even before liftin g weights.Van what happened? Did you follow your own advice and fail? Your Avatar says "dont try" .I can tell really practice what you preach

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #85 on: March 29, 2009, 10:42:24 AM »
Only a fool would defend a person who loos this bad.Van Bilderaas's post are nonsense, just vlike this body he built.If you want to look like this, then listen to him.Its like the blind leading the blind.If you want to look like him then listen to him.I got this pic form a relaible source.He hasnt proved its not him.
come on----it takes a lot more than posting a random pic from the internet to own someone

at least you took the "kegdrainer" label off of it this time

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #86 on: March 29, 2009, 10:46:53 AM »
I thought it was kegdrainer, but someone sent me a PM, a (moderator) and said thats Van Bildrass.Everytime I bring up this picture he doesnt have much to say.Plus he hasnt proved me wrong.

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #87 on: March 29, 2009, 11:11:43 AM »
Only a fool would defend a person who looks this bad.Van Bilderaas's post are nonsense, just like this body he built.If you want to look like this, then listen to him.Its like the blind leading the blind.If you want to look like him then listen to him.I got this pic form a relaible source.He hasnt proved me wrong yet.Most people look better then this even before liftin g weights.Van what happened? Did you follow your own advice and fail? Your Avatar says "dont try" .I can tell really practice what you preach

"Don't try" basically means don't put on a fake front. Like you are doing, you are fronting as an expert but you are a child mentally.

I thought it was kegdrainer, but someone sent me a PM, a (moderator) and said thats Van Bildrass.Everytime I bring up this picture he doesnt have much to say.Plus he hasnt proved me wrong.

All you had to do was google Van Bilderass to find my pic. Here it is:
http://www.myspace.com/55657839




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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #88 on: March 29, 2009, 01:50:14 PM »
Van you proved me wrong.You are man enough to post your pic.Even though your not built.
I have to give you props for posting your pics.

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #89 on: March 29, 2009, 01:56:00 PM »
Some really odd people in this thread.  :-\

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #90 on: March 29, 2009, 01:58:13 PM »
Van you proved me wrong.You are man enough to post your pic.Even though your not built.
I have to give you props for posting your pics.

dumbass  :D

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #91 on: August 26, 2009, 11:21:02 PM »
Classic Nordic thread

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #92 on: August 26, 2009, 11:23:34 PM »
dumbass  :D

LOL!!! I think it's fair to say that "GetItOnNY" buzzes people in hsi project building when they say "UPS" in his intercom.

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #93 on: August 27, 2009, 12:39:23 AM »
How come this dude don' get no mofoin' special attention?




Ppfffffffttttttt!

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Re: NPC San Diego - Ron Sargeant - Novice Overall
« Reply #94 on: August 27, 2009, 12:51:27 AM »
"whatcha talkin bout, Ize is strong and womanlys"