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ROFLCOPTER@Healthcare Cartoon
« on: August 26, 2009, 10:43:03 AM »

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Re: ROFLCOPTER@Healthcare Cartoon
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2009, 11:00:59 AM »


It's nice try, but the things listed are run by the states not the fed. If the states want to implement a public option it is within their constitutional rights and up the residents of those states
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Re: ROFLCOPTER@Healthcare Cartoon
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2009, 11:05:21 AM »
It's nice try, but the things listed are run by the states not the fed. If the states want to implement a public option it is within their constitutional rights and up the residents of those states
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2009, 11:06:32 AM »
It's nice try, but the things listed are run by the states not the fed. If the states want to implement a public option it is within their constitutional rights and up the residents of those states
You must also believe in disbanding the military and having only state militias, circa 1809.



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Re: ROFLCOPTER@Healthcare Cartoon
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2009, 11:09:01 AM »
It's nice try, but the things listed are run by the states not the fed. If the states want to implement a public option it is within their constitutional rights and up the residents of those states

Good point. 

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Re: ROFLCOPTER@Healthcare Cartoon
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2009, 11:09:25 AM »
You must also believe in disbanding the military and having only state militias, circa 1809.




Let's see what does the constitution say about this, the fed is to provide for the common defense of America. Geee how can they do that with out a military brain child
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Re: ROFLCOPTER@Healthcare Cartoon
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2009, 11:10:11 AM »
I guess you also do not want a CDC, so diseases can in effect run rampant, no FDA to protect our food supply, afterall who cares if we have a little bacteria in our interstate and worldwide imported produce.  Lets get rid of the FAA also and just fly`em till we crash`em.  Lets get rid of the EPA that way we can all have some lead with our water.  Sounds great to me also.  I am with you on this Kazamm.

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Re: ROFLCOPTER@Healthcare Cartoon
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2009, 11:12:21 AM »
Let's see what does the constitution say about this, the fed is to provide for the common defense of America. Geee how can they do that with out a military brain child
Uh, did you forget what Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson were so livid about when it came to a Nationalized Military?

The Founders actually intended to NOT have a Nationalized, full-time military and cited that the potential of a permanent force as Unconstitutional.


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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2009, 11:13:52 AM »
I guess you also do not want a CDC, so diseases can in effect run rampant, no FDA to protect our food supply, afterall who cares if we have a little bacteria in our interstate and worldwide imported produce.  Lets get rid of the FAA also and just fly`em till we crash`em.  Lets get rid of the EPA that way we can all have some lead with our water.  Sounds great to me also.  I am with you on this Kazamm.

The problem with ALL of those departments is they dont stop there.They then dictate what you eat,how much salt,if you wear a seatbelt,start getting into climate controll.Thats the problem with government.You give them an inch soon you have ZERO rights to do anything.

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Re: ROFLCOPTER@Healthcare Cartoon
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2009, 11:16:51 AM »
Thomas Jefferson Against Standing Armies
"There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army." --Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1789. ME 7:323

"I do not like [in the new Federal Constitution] the omission of a Bill of Rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for... protection against standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:387

"Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace for [defense against invasion]." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:334

"Standing armies [are] inconsistent with [a people's] freedom and subversive of their quiet." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Lord North's Proposition, 1775. Papers 1:231

"The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force." --Thomas Jefferson to Chandler Price, 1807. ME 11:160

"A distinction between the civil and military [is one] which it would be for the good of the whole to obliterate as soon as possible." --Thomas Jefferson: Answers to de Meusnier Questions, 1786. ME 17:90

"It is nonsense to talk of regulars. They are not to be had among a people so easy and happy at home as ours. We might as well rely on calling down an army of angels from heaven." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1814. ME 14:207

"There shall be no standing army but in time of actual war." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776. Papers 1:363

"The Greeks and Romans had no standing armies, yet they defended themselves. The Greeks by their laws, and the Romans by the spirit of their people, took care to put into the hands of their rulers no such engine of oppression as a standing army. Their system was to make every man a soldier and oblige him to repair to the standard of his country whenever that was reared. This made them invincible; and the same remedy will make us so." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814. ME 14:184

"Bonaparte... transferred the destinies of the republic from the civil to the military arm. Some will use this as a lesson against the practicability of republican government. I read it as a lesson against the danger of standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Adams, 1800. ME 10:154



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Re: ROFLCOPTER@Healthcare Cartoon
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2009, 11:19:09 AM »
The problem with ALL of those departments is they dont stop there.They then dictate what you eat,how much salt,if you wear a seatbelt,start getting into climate controll.Thats the problem with government.You give them an inch soon you have ZERO rights to do anything.
No, that would be your glorious STATE lawmakers doing those things.

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Re: ROFLCOPTER@Healthcare Cartoon
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2009, 11:42:43 AM »
Thomas Jefferson Against Standing Armies
"There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army." --Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1789. ME 7:323

"I do not like [in the new Federal Constitution] the omission of a Bill of Rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for... protection against standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:387

"Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace for [defense against invasion]." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:334

"Standing armies [are] inconsistent with [a people's] freedom and subversive of their quiet." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Lord North's Proposition, 1775. Papers 1:231

"The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force." --Thomas Jefferson to Chandler Price, 1807. ME 11:160

"A distinction between the civil and military [is one] which it would be for the good of the whole to obliterate as soon as possible." --Thomas Jefferson: Answers to de Meusnier Questions, 1786. ME 17:90

"It is nonsense to talk of regulars. They are not to be had among a people so easy and happy at home as ours. We might as well rely on calling down an army of angels from heaven." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1814. ME 14:207

"There shall be no standing army but in time of actual war." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776. Papers 1:363

"The Greeks and Romans had no standing armies, yet they defended themselves. The Greeks by their laws, and the Romans by the spirit of their people, took care to put into the hands of their rulers no such engine of oppression as a standing army. Their system was to make every man a soldier and oblige him to repair to the standard of his country whenever that was reared. This made them invincible; and the same remedy will make us so." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814. ME 14:184

"Bonaparte... transferred the destinies of the republic from the civil to the military arm. Some will use this as a lesson against the practicability of republican government. I read it as a lesson against the danger of standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Adams, 1800. ME 10:154





All of which went away after the French Revolution and the resulting Napoleonic wars....Jefferson might not have liked it but time dictated a standing military was very neccesary. Our standing military was miniscule back then.
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Re: ROFLCOPTER@Healthcare Cartoon
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2009, 12:32:24 PM »
I agree with KAzan,
Let states run this stuff.
If it works other states will adopt it. If it doesn't they won't.

A good example of this is  healthcare insurance exchanges of the 80's. Some states tried it but they didn't work.
No big loss. Now the feds want to try it again. It already has been proven a failure and will cost billions when it fails again.
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Re: ROFLCOPTER@Healthcare Cartoon
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2009, 12:46:27 PM »

All of which went away after the French Revolution and the resulting Napoleonic wars....Jefferson might not have liked it but time dictated a standing military was very neccesary. Our standing military was miniscule back then.
Exactly.  Which is the same justification of why National Healthcare should be implemented.  The time dictates its necessity.