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30/08/2009 00:41:00
A roadside bomb and gunfire attack killed a U.S. service member in southern Afghanistan on Thursday, a death that pushed August into a tie with July as the deadliest months of the eight-year war.

The death brought to 44 the number of U.S. troops who have died in Afghanistan this month with four days left in August.

US forces attacked a medical center in eastern Afghanistan after an allegedly Taliban commander sought treatment there. A U.S. helicopter gunship bombed the clinic.

More than 60,000 U.S. troops are in the country - a record number - to fight rising insurgent violence.

The number of roadside bombs deployed by militants across the country has skyrocketed, and U.S. forces have moved into new and deadlier areas this summer, in part to help secure the country's Aug. 20 presidential election.

The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan released his new counterinsurgency strategy Thursday, telling troops that the supply of militants is "effectively endless" and that U.S. and NATO forces need to see the country through the eyes of its villagers.

Gen. Stanley McChrystal said troops "must change the way that we think, act and operate." McChrystal hopes to install a new approach to counterinsurgency where troops will make the safety of villagers the top priority, above killing an endless supply of militants.

"An insurgency cannot be defeated by attrition; its supply of fighters, and even leadership, is effectively endless," the new guidelines said.

When U.S. and NATO troops battle a group of 10 militants and kill two of them, the relatives of the two dead insurgents will want revenge and will likely join the insurgency, the guidelines say, spelling out the formula: "10 minus 2 equals 20 (or more) rather than 8."

"This is part of the reason why eight years of individually successful kinetic actions have resulted in more violence," McChrystal said.

He called on troops to think of how they would expect a foreign army to operate in their home countries, "among your families and your children, and act accordingly," to try to win over the Afghan population.

Violence is on the rise in Afghanistan even as it falls in Iraq, where nearly twice as many U.S. troops are still based. Five U.S. troops have died in Iraq this month, three fewer than in July.
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it's kinda cool no one can win there.

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Re: US, NATO Armies Recognize Resistance in Afghanistan can't be Defeated
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2009, 04:20:19 PM »
Not really...when US troops are dying there.
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Re: US, NATO Armies Recognize Resistance in Afghanistan can't be Defeated
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2009, 04:23:22 PM »
thats why I said kinda.


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Re: US, NATO Armies Recognize Resistance in Afghanistan can't be Defeated
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2009, 04:25:32 PM »
Define winning......the current admin says they will know it when they see it....no exactly awe inspiring. We need to join the threads on Afghanistan.

My esteem for George Will knows no bounds. But I don't find his column persuasive. He's advocating a version of the Murtha strategy for Afghanistan—counter-terrorist strikes from a distance. There are various problems with this. One is that al Qaeda is not in Afghanistan, so who would be the targets? Are we going to wait for al Qaeda to re-establish bases, and then hit them? Does that make any sense? Or are we going to target the Taliban? And if so, why would we pull out, which would very likely lead to the collapse of the Afghan government and army and create the conditions for a Taliban take-over?

 

This counter-terrorism from afar is very dicey business. What would our sources of intelligence be if we don't have a substantial presence on the ground? Remember: the further away you are, the better your intelligence has to be because you have a longer lead time until you can strike. This is why we kept hitting empty terrorist training camps with cruise missile in the 1990s.

 

Will says "Pakistan actually matters." That's a very important reason to care about Afghanistan too. For the first time, Pakistan has been undertaking serious counter-insurgency operations in the border areas. And we have been supporting them with counter-insurgency operations in adjacent areas in Afghanistan. Just as Pakistan begins to get serious are we going to pull the rug out from under them? The Durand Line obviously works both ways. Just as Pakistani under-performance over the years has created a haven for fighters to infiltrate into Afghanistan, our under-performance would create a haven in Afghanistan for fighters to infiltrate Pakistan. And there's no such thing as simply guarding the border since there's no border to speak of. If you want to control the border you have to control the population near it, which means you can't just rely on special operations forces and have to undertake counter-insurgency operations that require boots on the ground and, ultimately, a functioning indigenous army and government.

 

In other words, if you think Afghanistan matters at all, something on the order of what we are attempting there now is necessary. If you think Afghanistan doesn't matter and should be allowed to fall to hell, that's another thing. But the problem is that it abuts another country that inarguably matters and whose border regions are a haven to al Qaeda. That's why there's no easy escape, even with "drones, cruise missiles, airstrikes and small, potent special forces units."
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Re: US, NATO Armies Recognize Resistance in Afghanistan can't be Defeated
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2009, 04:31:15 PM »
it's kinda cool no one can win there.
you mean kind of a no brainer.

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Re: US, NATO Armies Recognize Resistance in Afghanistan can't be Defeated
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2009, 06:28:08 PM »
Good post hh6.  Maybe they need to move you up to the War College. 

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Re: US, NATO Armies Recognize Resistance in Afghanistan can't be Defeated
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2009, 06:41:56 PM »
Good post hh6.  Maybe they need to move you up to the War College. 

Yeah, it'd be great to have you down here in Carlisle.  I think you have to be an O5.