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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2009, 01:14:22 PM »
Even if this woman couldn't afford health insurance, most American doctors would not just stand idle and let her baby DIE.





Bizarre!  Can you imagine not helping some baby that is dying when you may have the skills to do so?  Damn!
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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2009, 01:15:45 PM »

Bizarre!  Can you imagine not helping some baby that is dying when you may have the skills to do so?  Damn!

This is what happens in govt run systems and those dominated by beaurocracy and red tape.

 

 

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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2009, 01:20:23 PM »
This is what happens in govt run systems and those dominated by beaurocracy and red tape.

 

EXACTLY!! And Obama has given little assurance that such foolishness will not be part of his healthcare "reform" (hence the plunging approval numbers and the Democratic senators, repeatedly getting cussed out at town hall meetings).

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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2009, 01:26:38 PM »
Digusting.  Even if it is "the rule" to let the baby die, it seems unthinkable that a doctor would just let it die.... .. But maybe after awhile of this happening they just become hardened. 
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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2009, 01:27:51 PM »
Digusting.  Even if it is "the rule" to let the baby die, it seems unthinkable that a doctor would just let it die.... .. But maybe after awhile of this happening they just become hardened. 

No, its because govt red tape and beaurocracy makes people robots and drones and unable to think for themselves.   

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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2009, 01:28:38 PM »
Digusting.  Even if it is "the rule" to let the baby die, it seems unthinkable that a doctor would just let it die.... .. But maybe after awhile of this happening they just become hardened. 

It's especially sad, when the mother is begging for help on site.

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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2009, 01:34:32 PM »
It's especially sad, when the mother is begging for help on site.

Go into any govt office in this country and wonder if the result would be any different. 

This happened in Brooklyn County Hospital in NYC.

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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2009, 01:37:42 PM »

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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2009, 02:47:10 PM »
LOL tell that to the left and obama who use canada and europe as examples of their views on healthcare jack ass

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haha yes examples NOT models.  I would like to think they would take the best from those examples not the worst.  Also a dr that did that in the US would be sued for millions because it's a different legal system therefore NOT RELEVANT. Way to fail retard.
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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2009, 03:53:05 PM »


that's our current healthcare system

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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2009, 03:56:55 PM »
It's especially sad, when the mother is begging for help on site.

why don't you post stories about the thousands of kids who die every die from starvation and diarrhea

that's pretty sad too and happens on a daily basis and to many more children than this isolated incident

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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2009, 09:42:27 AM »
why don't you post stories about the thousands of kids who die every die from starvation and diarrhea

that's pretty sad too and happens on a daily basis and to many more children than this isolated incident

because straw it's about scaring us into believing that government option for health care will kill us all!
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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2009, 09:46:35 AM »
because straw it's about scaring us into believing that government option for health care will kill us all!

that's part of it but I also think the fundies entire value system is out of wack

somehow every life is sacred but as soon as it's born they've don't seem to give a shit

and as that life gets older (say from child to adolescent to adult) they care less and less


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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2009, 09:50:34 AM »
that's part of it but I also think the fundies entire value system is out of wack

somehow every life is sacred but as soon as it's born they've don't seem to give a shit

and as that life gets older (say from child to adolescent to adult) they care less and less



It does not matter anymore since Obama sold you guys out and there wont be a public option.  instead you will get a tax to pay for private insurance. 

Suckers.   

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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2009, 09:54:17 AM »
It does not matter anymore since Obama sold you guys out and there wont be a public option.  instead you will get a tax to pay for private insurance. 
Suckers.   

do we have any legislation yet?


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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2009, 09:59:04 AM »
do we have any legislation yet?



The pelosi bill is going nowhere and the only hope is the baucus bill, which has no public option and an insane tax and penalty to purchase private insurance. 

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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2009, 09:59:31 AM »
haha yes examples NOT models.  I would like to think they would take the best from those examples not the worst.  Also a dr that did that in the US would be sued for millions because it's a different legal system therefore NOT RELEVANT. Way to fail retard.
Yes b/c the systems we have in place right now govt wise work so well...

under our legal system he would probably get away with it jack ass...

and how is our legal system different kc? seeing as ours was based off theirs tell me the significant differences...

the doctor has no duty to help someone out if it means that the themselves may suffer injury as in malpractice suits etc...

thats called negligence, if you can tell me what the components of negligence are in the court of law ill continue to talk to your ignorant ass otherwise your just like others on here and know nothing of what you talk about...

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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2009, 10:02:07 AM »
The pelosi bill is going nowhere and the only hope is the baucus bill, which has no public option and an insane tax and penalty to purchase private insurance. 

The Baucus bill is a give away to the insurance companies and will be lucky to even get out of committee.

Baucus is wholly owned by his health insurance industry benefactors


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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2009, 10:08:16 AM »
The Baucus bill is a give away to the insurance companies and will be lucky to even get out of committee.

Baucus is wholly owned by his health insurance industry benefactors



Even Howard Dean said its a huge POS. 

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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2009, 10:09:33 AM »
Even Howard Dean said its a huge POS. 

Bill Maher called it a blowjob for the insurance companies.


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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2009, 10:12:12 AM »
Bill Maher called it a blowjob for the insurance companies.



It is!  Its horrible and has absolutely no cost controls or downward pressures to control prices to customers.   

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Re: Baby, born 2 days shy of "mimimum requirement for care", left to die in U.K
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2009, 11:41:06 AM »
It appears that former AK govenor, Sarah Palin, was on to something, when talking about "Death Panels" for infants and the elderly.

And people wonder why Americans don't want "universal health care" (at least, not that per team Obama, which could mirror that of the U.K.).

In U.K., care denied for premature baby


WASHINGTON (BP)--A young British mother says her prematurely born son was left to die last October by doctors because he fell two days short of the minimum requirement for care.

Sarah Capewell's son, Jayden, was born 21 weeks and five days into her pregnancy, but physicians said he needed to be at 22 weeks gestation in order to be treated, she told The Daily Mail in a Sept. 9 article. He lived for nearly two hours without medical assistance. She is seeking a review of the guidelines followed by National Health Service (NHS) hospitals in such cases.

Jayden, who was born at an NHS hospital in Norfolk, was breathing without help, had a strong heart rate and was moving his arms and legs after his birth, said Capewell, 23.

She told The Daily Mail she pleaded with a pediatrician, saying, "You have got to help." The doctor said, "No we don't"

While she was having contractions, a chaplain visited her to make plans for a funeral for her yet-to-be-born son, Capewell said. "I was sitting there, reading this leaflet about planning a funeral and thinking, this is my baby, he isn't even born yet, let alone dead," she said, according to the newspaper.


http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=31288

The woman wanted her baby; yet, the medical folks let him die, anyway....so much for "pro-choice".


Terrible.   >:(