How much is too much?

[beard]

Taking 1000mg testo, doesn't give you twice as good gains as taking 500mg. How much is just too much? Where is the limit, where you hardly gain any more, just get more sides?

[io856]

well... if I recall correctly Patrick Arnold speculated that 3.5grams of total aas is around the limit in most before it starts getting toxic?

Becoming a profuse sweater, heavy breather, pissing yellow always, that prostate 'squeeze', just as you blow your load your nuts feel like they are going to explode, sterile(?) unfit and immobile all the while shortening lifespan may mean more to others but for some it don't matter as long as they are getting closer to their goals (always at arms length i.e. never achievable).


However others with personal experiences in the area have gone well beyond this amount with some added benefit. Some theorise that there is growth mechanisms beyond the AR saturation etc once 4 grams+ is administered. Dan Duchaine's "post AR mediated growth " anyone?


I would like to hear some input from the younger/riskier members here too

[Luv2Hurt]

Taking 1000mg testo, doesn't give you twice as good gains as taking 500mg. How much is just too much? Where is the limit, where you hardly gain any more, just get more sides?

I happen to feel 1000mg test DOES give you twice the gains, compared to 500mg

I would say once you start getting over 2 grams there is less return.  Look at the huge pro BB they for sure take a pretty big dose of juice/gh.  Dont see how they could get so freaky otherwise.

[clued-up]

Taking 1000mg testo, doesn't give you twice as good gains as taking 500mg. How much is just too much? Where is the limit, where you hardly gain any more, just get more sides?

Test sucks.. Past a certain point. Pushing the dosage will not speed muscle gains. Take enough to gain.. and no more. Then you can bump the dose when you need to.. But I wouldn’t rely on test alone.

Try different steroids in addition to test.. You may find a couple that work extremely well for you.

You should not be worried about *limits* in dosage. Use just enough to improve yourself and reach your goals.

[io856]

Test sucks.. Past a certain point. Pushing the dosage will not speed muscle gains. Take enough to gain.. and no more. Then you can bump the dose when you need to.. But I wouldn’t rely on test alone.

Try different steroids in addition to test.. You may find a couple that work extremely well for you.

You should not be worried about *limits* in dosage. Use just enough to improve yourself and reach your goals.

1st point I agree

2nd point most bodybuilders goal - to be as freaky as possible... that will inevitably involve pushing the boundaries

[clued-up]

1st point I agree

2nd point most bodybuilders goal - to be as freaky as possible... that will inevitably involve pushing the boundaries

That's interesting.. since both of the points that you highlighted say the same thing.. basically 

I’ll say this about getting freaky - genetics will play a MUCH more important role in attaining freak status than any drug stack. Believe it.

[io856]

That's interesting.. since both of the points that you highlighted say the same thing.. basically  

I’ll say this about getting freaky - genetics will play a MUCH more important role in attaining freak status than any drug stack. Believe it.

I agree but has more to do with bone structure, muscle bellies height etc. etc. than some sort of muscle building potential

but being as freaky AS POSSIBLE has NOTHING to do with genetics because its about maximising your own potential... not as it compares to others...

for example sergio oliva was a fuccking freak for his day but why didn't he stop/maintain when he had 17/18 inch arms?

[clued-up]

but being as freaky AS POSSIBLE has NOTHING to do with genetics because its about maximising your own potential... not as it compares to others...

I can agree with that concept.. you MUST accept the fact that you can only maximize what you have to work with... which varies from one person to the next.

*freaky* is relative. your freaky may not be comparable to the freaky of a typical *genetically fucking blessed* bodybuilder... for a host of reasons. no matter how high you raise the dose.

some people respond much better to steroids than other people... and have better muscle building potential... they're able to attain a *look*.. huge muscle, thin skin.. their bodies are geared for it. I'm not sure though if that's just because some people have more muscle cells to enlarge than other guys. its not fair.. but that's genetics. some people are much more capable of developing into something impressive. if you're not one of those guys.. you can take all the steroids you want.. and you'll most likely only make yourself look worse.

I guess we all have to do what satisfies US..

[io856]

I can agree with that concept.. you MUST accept the fact that you can only maximize what you have to work with... which varies from one person to the next.

*freaky* is relative. your freaky may not be comparable to the freaky of a typical *genetically fucking blessed* bodybuilder... for a host of reasons. no matter how high you raise the dose.

some people respond much better to steroids than other people... and have better muscle building potential... they're able to attain a *look*.. huge muscle, thin skin.. their bodies are geared for it. I'm not sure though if that's just because some people have more muscle cells to enlarge than other guys. its not fair.. but that's genetics. some people are much more capable of developing into something impressive. if you're not one of those guys.. you can take all the steroids you want.. and you'll most likely only make yourself look worse.

I guess we all have to do what satisfies US..

my sentiments still stand...

"as freaky as possible" suggests a state of "freakiness" may not even be achieved + this state is a perception rather than a reality i.e. what shocks some won't shock others...

downplaying the amount of effort and risk it takes to achieve an extreme look by reducing it to genetics is not helpful to most