Bodybuilders and laziness, what does it mean?

[Red Hook]

Bodybuilders and laziness, what does it really mean?

would a builder training 5% harder while keeping the same "supplement" regiment make any difference?  I am of the mindset that at that level to show progress you must up the dosage to show progress.

but back to the original topic,

Was Jay lazy last year and this year he worked out harder or did he just change his "stack"?

Would Dexter training any harder show any difference?

I doubt that Branch could train any harder, yet at the O he looked better than in his recent past, what was the difference?

Was Dennis Wolf lazy this year or is his current "supplement" not working for him? does Milos have the secret mix for him?

Im talking about NOW. He was in worthless conditioning at his comback, that is probably due to lazyness thinking his genetics would do all the work for him aka Martinez

maby he has the genetics for it and jay doesnt.


I think hes a lazy ass negro.
Has AMAZING genetics and structure, if he gets those legs up and gets shredded, hes gonna place very good.

[ChristopherA]

I think at the pro level they are all probably on an even playing field as far as "supplements" go. I dont think that Jay had some magic stack this yr he didnt have last year. At the end of the day I think it boils down to how hard you train and how good your genetics are. You could define good or great genetics by how well your body responds to training AND how well it responds to juice. So takin into account a level playing field as far as "supplements" it seems to me Jay just trains his ass off. I am sure there are guys who are lazy, doing workouts based more on hammer strength, smith machines,etc. who just up the dose as we like to say. They dont diet well and rely on dangerous illegal fatburners but we probably dont see these guys cause they are all amateurs. And if they are pros they burn out quickly.

[Croatch]

Drugs and the right timing.
The end.
Pros don't magically put on 20lbs later in their career because of the right "superset".

[jr]

It's all about advancements in pre/peri/post workout nutrition.

[io856]

Drugs and the right timing.
The end.
Pros don't magically put on 20lbs later in their career because of the right "superset".

How did Dorian Yates go from 22*lbs in one year to 24*lbs in the same or better condition in one year!

Was Dorian Yates not doing every goddamn thing in his power to be the best?

[dragonfist]

I think at the pro level they are all probably on an even playing field as far as "supplements" go. I dont think that Jay had some magic stack this yr he didnt have last year. At the end of the day I think it boils down to how hard you train and how good your genetics are. You could define good or great genetics by how well your body responds to training AND how well it responds to juice. So takin into account a level playing field as far as "supplements" it seems to me Jay just trains his ass off. I am sure there are guys who are lazy, doing workouts based more on hammer strength, smith machines,etc. who just up the dose as we like to say. They dont diet well and rely on dangerous illegal fatburners but we probably dont see these guys cause they are all amateurs. And if they are pros they burn out quickly.

[#1 Klaus fan]

How did Dorian Yates go from 22*lbs in one year to 24*lbs in the same or better condition in one year!

Was Dorian Yates not doing every goddamn thing in his power to be the best?

We don't know. There is very little "science" in the field of training of bodybuilders. They go by the feel, while athletes use very strict schemes.

[just_a_pilgrim]

How did Dorian Yates go from 22*lbs in one year to 24*lbs in the same or better condition in one year!

Was Dorian Yates not doing every goddamn thing in his power to be the best?

He overdieted at the 1992 Mr.O because he thought he had enough mass and his main competition was Labrada and Ray who would both be super shredded.

Same with Ronnie, in 2002 he was 245?, way way overdieted, next year he was 287. Everyone dumb fuck comments he did something special that year or increased his dosage, he just didn't overdiet.

[Swedish Viking]

Anyone who has been to the top gyms in the world know that Pros are amongst the least intense of all the trainees out there.  They have other stuff going on.  The intense training pros went out with Gaspari and Platz.

[io856]

He overdieted at the 1992 Mr.O because he thought he had enough mass and his main competition was Labrada and Ray who would both be super shredded.

Same with Ronnie, in 2002 he was 245?, way way overdieted, next year he was 287. Everyone dumb fuck comments he did something special that year or increased his dosage, he just didn't overdiet.

DUDE! 40lbs is not coming in "full" and not overdieting....

Thats fucking insane for a man ALREADY at the pro level ALREADY an Olympia competitor!

[io856]

Anyone who has been to the top gyms in the world know that Pros are amongst the least intense of all the trainees out there.  They have other stuff going on.  The intense training pros went out with Gaspari and Platz.

The perception of intensity is subjective... how are you judging that? an overt display of inner focus, desire and dedication?

some of these guys are a lot bigger than platz and gaspari moving around is tough and they tend to achieve failure on their exercises with inner focus and getting the job done aka no theatrics... the high bodyweights, high doses of growth, fat burners etc tend to leave one struggling enough to internalize their focus, drive etc.

I have nothing against either approach

[Matt C]

Drugs and the right timing.
The end.
Pros don't magically put on 20lbs later in their career because of the right "superset".

During his 2007 victory speech, Jay said he "made some adjustments" after prejudging.  What kind of "adjustments" can you make over the course of a few hours?    Did he use one of the Weider training principles?

[io856]

During his 2007 victory speech, Jay said he "made some adjustments" after prejudging.  What kind of "adjustments" can you make over the course of a few hours?    Did he use one of the Weider training principles?

maybe he was referring to an IV administration of lasix?

[Matt C]

maybe he was referring to an IV administration of lasix?

 

[Chick]

During his 2007 victory speech, Jay said he "made some adjustments" after prejudging.  What kind of "adjustments" can you make over the course of a few hours?    Did he use one of the Weider training principles?

There are many adjustments you can make after prejudging.....cutting water, adding water/ adding sodium, eating up, adding fats, etc...

[spinnis]

There are many adjustments you can make after prejudging.....cutting water, adding water/ adding sodium, eating up, adding fats, etc...

what type of drugs could make a difference in a few hours chick? do you know any?

[just_a_pilgrim]

DUDE! 40lbs is not coming in "full" and not overdieting....

Thats fucking insane for a man ALREADY at the pro level ALREADY an Olympia competitor!

In the 2002 battle for the O he looked insane at like 275 pounds. He already had it. He just thought he had to go down to his 1998 weight which wasn't going to look the same 4 years later.

[jtsunami]

Bodybuilders and laziness, what does it really mean?

would a builder training 5% harder while keeping the same "supplement" regiment make any difference?  I am of the mindset that at that level to show progress you must up the dosage to show progress.

but back to the original topic,

Was Jay lazy last year and this year he worked out harder or did he just change his "stack"?

Would Dexter training any harder show any difference?

I doubt that Branch could train any harder, yet at the O he looked better than in his recent past, what was the difference?

Was Dennis Wolf lazy this year or is his current "supplement" not working for him? does Milos have the secret mix for him?

has more to do with diet and drugs than training hard.  Coming from did he train harder stand point I am guessing you are a natural right?

jt

[Red Hook]

has more to do with diet and drugs than training hard.  Coming from did he train harder stand point I am guessing you are a natural right?

jt

I was more commenting on Swede calling a couple of these guys lazy. I was pointing out that doing more reps/sets would make .05% difference at that level.

yet, over and over again we call them lazy. I would argue that they train just enough to get the blood flowing, a good pump and just enough for hypertrophy. Anything else at that level is just for the ego and can leave to injuries.

There are some animals that did train hard Branch, Ronnie and others. But in the end that leads to injuries and ends their careers.

[stormshadow]

There are many adjustments you can make after prejudging.....cutting water, adding water/ adding sodium, eating up, adding fats, etc...

Doing private posing for a few of the "judges"

[jtsunami]

I was more commenting on Swede calling a couple of these guys lazy. I was pointing out that doing more reps/sets would make .05% difference at that level.

yet, over and over again we call them lazy. I would argue that they train just enough to get the blood flowing, a good pump and just enough for hypertrophy. Anything else at that level is just for the ego and can leave to injuries.

There are some animals that did train hard Branch, Ronnie and others. But in the end that leads to injuries and ends their careers.

i agree brother

[BIG_STI]

We don't know. There is very little "science" in the field of training of bodybuilders. They go by the feel, while athletes use very strict schemes.

GH and slin duhhhh

[just_a_pilgrim]

There are many adjustments you can make after prejudging.....cutting water, adding water/ adding sodium, eating up, adding fats, etc...

That's true, but to drop 10 pounds after pre-judging (2008) Cutler used diuretics.

[alnassak]

what type of drugs could make a difference in a few hours chick? do you know any?

Insulin + Carbs – Water = Adjustments

[lovemonkey]

Insulin + Carbs – Water = Adjustments

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