Thinking of using Anavar to help boost my immune system

[Necrosis]

I think this shows it's pretty damn suppressive


Figure 3. Total androgen concentration. Total serum T (hatched portion) and OX (black portion) concentrations in five young men on days 0, 3, and 5. *, T decreased significantly from days 0 and 3 to day 5 (P < 0.05).

on what? testosterone?

there are studies showing it lacks the inhibition on the negative feedback loop in the hpta, lh concentrations did not decline rapidly and a study in children showing no hpta suppression.

post the abstract.

my contention is that it is the least suppressive, you are saying it is extremely suppressive, i can only speculate what you mean by extremely as you have given me no quantitative way to measure it. So i will assume compared to other steriods that are similar.

post the full abstract please.

[Tapeworm]

hmm but with injectable test shouldn't your sex drive be higher?? or do you mean a while after coming off?

Some guys claim that effect but it didn't work that way for me.  When sperm production drops, so does my level of horniness.  Stands to reason.  Other guys might have a stronger psychological component to their drive but my sex drive is mostly physical.

[lax]

what evidence do you have that anavar will boost your immune system?

it'll actually suppress his immune system

[Van_Bilderass]

on what? testosterone?

there are studies showing it lacks the inhibition on the negative feedback loop in the hpta, lh concentrations did not decline rapidly and a study in children showing no hpta suppression.

post the abstract.

my contention is that it is the least suppressive, you are saying it is extremely suppressive, i can only speculate what you mean by extremely as you have given me no quantitative way to measure it. So i will assume compared to other steriods that are similar.

post the full abstract please.

Full paper: http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705

I have never come across any study on oxandrolone showing it lacks inhibitory effect in adults. Giving prepubertal and pubertal children approx. 2mg of OXA a day isn't necessarily applicable to us.

Why do I call it extremely suppressive? 15mg (!) dropping T by that much in 5 (!) days is very suppressive IMO. I could speculate what would happen at maybe 30mg done for 2 weeks - close to total shutdown perhaps? Yes there are other steroids which are more suppressive but if I were to guess the other common orals (win, dbol, drol etc) aren't more suppressive than this. It's certainly suppressive, not at all like the internet steroid profiles claim (little to no suppression).

[Necrosis]

Full paper: http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705

I have never come across any study on oxandrolone showing it lacks inhibitory effect in adults. Giving prepubertal and pubertal children approx. 2mg of OXA a day isn't necessarily applicable to us.

Why do I call it extremely suppressive? 15mg (!) dropping T by that much in 5 (!) days is very suppressive IMO. I could speculate what would happen at maybe 30mg done for 2 weeks - close to total shutdown perhaps? Yes there are other steroids which are more suppressive but if I were to guess the other common orals (win, dbol, drol etc) aren't more suppressive than this. It's certainly suppressive, not at all like the internet steroid profiles claim (little to no suppression).

ill have a look at the paper, in the middle of exams, so might not respond for a couple days. I have no doubt it reduces testosterone, there is more to the story then suppression of of testosterone at the gonadal level to consider. We have to look at the complete endocrine system to determine if it suppresses the HPTA.

exogenous testosterone will suppress testosterone, didnt say it wouldn't.

Ill get back to you in a couple days on the topic.

[Van_Bilderass]

there is more to the story then suppression of of testosterone at the gonadal level to consider. We have to look at the complete endocrine system to determine if it suppresses the HPTA.

I have no idea what you mean here. You'll have to clarify.

[Fatpanda]

ill have a look at the paper, in the middle of exams, so might not respond for a couple days. I have no doubt it reduces testosterone, there is more to the story then suppression of of testosterone at the gonadal level to consider. We have to look at the complete endocrine system to determine if it suppresses the HPTA.

exogenous testosterone will suppress testosterone, didnt say it wouldn't.

Ill get back to you in a couple days on the topic.

who cares what anavar does to the htpa/endocrine system - the bottom line is that suppresses test that quickly !

[Necrosis]

who cares what anavar does to the htpa/endocrine system - the bottom line is that suppresses test that quickly !

Pretty sure lutenizing hormones do not take a dip as with other steriods, nor does the negative feedback from the leydig cells cease, hence the difference between primary and secondary endocrine pathologies.

Lowering testosterone isnt the sole sign of suppression, or need to use pct.

Again I cant remember what study i read to have this inclination, but ill have a look in the lit and get back to you guys at the end of the week so as im done midterms.

[Van_Bilderass]

Pretty sure lutenizing hormones do not take a dip as with other steriods, nor does the negative feedback from the leydig cells cease, hence the difference between primary and secondary endocrine pathologies.

Lowering testosterone isnt the sole sign of suppression, or need to use pct.

Again I cant remember what study i read to have this inclination, but ill have a look in the lit and get back to you guys at the end of the week so as im done midterms.

Honestly, this is the first time I've seen this theory - that T can be suppressed as a result of AAS without there first being a lowering of the signaling hormones. I think you're wrong for sure, but wouldn't mind if you proved me wrong.