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Not even the Police trust 'big brother'
« on: October 20, 2009, 01:29:27 AM »
Police forces are threatening to withhold information from a Government crime database over fears the project could breach data protection laws.
 

Published: 9:10AM BST 19 Oct 2009


As part of a multi-million pound Government scheme, forces across England and Wales have been asked to provide more detailed records on staff fitness, training and even maritlal status.

The results will create a new online ''data hub'' where civil servants can access statistics for research.

But senior Metropolitan Police staff believe the amount of information required is excessive and question how it will be used and protected.

Some are concerned about the Government's track record in the wake of a series of embarrassing data leaks.

A meeting will be held in central London this week to try and overcome the hurdles which could threaten the project if other forces follow suit.

It will be attended by staff from the Met, Home Office, Association of Chief Police Officer (Acpo) and the Information Commissioner's Office.

At the heart of the dispute is differing legal advice over who owns information about crimes and police employees.

Home Office officials initially told forces they have the power to order them to provide more detailed information.

But they stepped back from this after individual forces questioned their interpretation of the law.

Solicitors have since told Met Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson the Data Protection Act may stop some details being handed over.

The new data hub would contain details about every crime, rather than summaries covering specific areas.

These include crime reference number, date, exact location, crime type, aggravating factors and details of the victim and offender, excluding their names.

Discussions began in 2007 and 30 forces, not including the Met, have provided test data so far.

James Cleverley, a member of the Metropolitan Police Authority, said: ''I doubt any of us would object to data sharing in support of an agreed and specific outcome.

''But this rather looks like a harvesting of data just in case it might be useful, and I'm not too happy about that.''

Ailsa Beaton, director of information at the Met, said the project will cost at least £100,000 to implement.

She said: ''We have raised some concerns regarding data protection and where liability lies if this information is misused.

''We still have some concerns about the detailed human resources information they have asked for and we think individuals may be identified.''

Home Office officials said the changes will benefit forces by reducing the amount of time staff spend responding to requests for information.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6374638/Police-threaten-to-withhold-crime-data.html

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Re: Not even the Police trust 'big brother'
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2009, 02:16:41 AM »
odd, since they've willingly done more to advance "big brother" than anybody...  Probably just changing tunes for the moment, Obama and all ya know ::)

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Re: Not even the Police trust 'big brother'
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2009, 07:26:44 AM »
Police forces are threatening to withhold information from a Government crime database over fears the project could breach data protection laws.
 

Published: 9:10AM BST 19 Oct 2009


As part of a multi-million pound Government scheme, forces across England and Wales have been asked to provide more detailed records on staff fitness, training and even maritlal status.

The results will create a new online ''data hub'' where civil servants can access statistics for research.

But senior Metropolitan Police staff believe the amount of information required is excessive and question how it will be used and protected.

Some are concerned about the Government's track record in the wake of a series of embarrassing data leaks.

A meeting will be held in central London this week to try and overcome the hurdles which could threaten the project if other forces follow suit.

It will be attended by staff from the Met, Home Office, Association of Chief Police Officer (Acpo) and the Information Commissioner's Office.

At the heart of the dispute is differing legal advice over who owns information about crimes and police employees.

Home Office officials initially told forces they have the power to order them to provide more detailed information.

But they stepped back from this after individual forces questioned their interpretation of the law.

Solicitors have since told Met Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson the Data Protection Act may stop some details being handed over.

The new data hub would contain details about every crime, rather than summaries covering specific areas.

These include crime reference number, date, exact location, crime type, aggravating factors and details of the victim and offender, excluding their names.

Discussions began in 2007 and 30 forces, not including the Met, have provided test data so far.

James Cleverley, a member of the Metropolitan Police Authority, said: ''I doubt any of us would object to data sharing in support of an agreed and specific outcome.

''But this rather looks like a harvesting of data just in case it might be useful, and I'm not too happy about that.''

Ailsa Beaton, director of information at the Met, said the project will cost at least £100,000 to implement.

She said: ''We have raised some concerns regarding data protection and where liability lies if this information is misused.

''We still have some concerns about the detailed human resources information they have asked for and we think individuals may be identified.''

Home Office officials said the changes will benefit forces by reducing the amount of time staff spend responding to requests for information.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6374638/Police-threaten-to-withhold-crime-data.html

A clear case of the SHOE being on the other foot. Once the police, military and law enforcement of any kind are subject to the same type of judgemental policies as the citizens of any contry...they will change their mind in regards to upholding the policies of their "masters" which violate the rights, life and privacy of the masses.

This may be the wake up call they all need..
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Re: Not even the Police trust 'big brother'
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 07:28:50 AM »
A clear case of the SHOE being on the other foot. Once the police, military and law enforcement of any kind are subject to the same type of judgemental policies as the citizens of any contry...they will change their mind in regards to upholding the policies of their "masters" which violate the rights, life and privacy of the masses.

This may be the wake up call they all need..

Most of the cops I know have ZERO regard for the rights of the average citizen.  They regard us a civilians, not ctizens.   

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Re: Not even the Police trust 'big brother'
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 07:41:02 AM »
I broke down earlier this year, 230 AM, and while waiting for my dad to arrive to help me out of the jam, some cops drove by and decided not to get involved.

Not their job, but you think they'd chitchat a bit just to learn what the situation was.

Instead, they went to the Mobil station nearby, got some Big Gulps, and gawked in unison at the hot girl with the big ass putting gas in her Acura.  Seriously.