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Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut
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Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:03:44 PM by traumer


Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

He also told colleagues at America's top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.

Colleagues had expected a discussion on a medical issue but were instead given an extremist interpretation of the Koran, which Hasan appeared to believe.

It was the latest in a series of "red flags" about his state of mind that have emerged since the massacre at Fort Hood, America's largest military installation, on Thursday.

Hasan, armed with two handguns including a semi-automatic pistol, walked into a processing centre for soldiers deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan, where he killed 13 and injured more than 30.

Fellow doctors have recounted how they were repeatedly harangued by Hasan about religion and that he openly claimed to be a "Muslim first and American second."


One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal complaints.


Another, Dr Val Finnell, who took a course with him in 2007 at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Maryland, did complain about Hasan's "anti-American rants." He said: "The system is not doing what it's supposed to do. He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or

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The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.

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LETS NOT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS ON THIS! 

HASAN MAY HAVE BEEN TOLD HIS SHOES WERE NOT SHINY ENOUGH ONCE IN THE PAST! 

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When are we going to get it? A Muslims first loyalty is to Islam not America
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Someone should behead this piece of shit and pour oil down his throat.

When are we going to get it? A Muslims first loyalty is to Islam not America

This is true. Every poll I've seen shows most Muslims placing their religion ahead of their country. They have no loyalty to their countries or the people in them, hence why homegrown terrorists are so common.

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One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal complaints.
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Why would that be? 

Because, as Dr. Savage says, liberalism is a mental disorder. 

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This just shows how far this political correctness insanity is going. It is mind-boggling this guy wasn't thrown out of the army. The only good news about any of this crap is that I think millions of Americans are going to wake up out of their stupor and finally see how ridiculous things are getting. Maybe the tide will turn.

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This just shows how far this political correctness insanity is going. It is mind-boggling this guy wasn't thrown out of the army. The only good news about any of this crap is that I think millions of Americans are going to wake up out of their stupor and finally see how ridiculous things are getting. Maybe the tide will turn.

You are more optimistic than I am.  People have short memories are forget things very easily. 

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Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut
Telegraph ^
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Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:03:44 PM by traumer


Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

He also told colleagues at America's top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.

Colleagues had expected a discussion on a medical issue but were instead given an extremist interpretation of the Koran, which Hasan appeared to believe.

It was the latest in a series of "red flags" about his state of mind that have emerged since the massacre at Fort Hood, America's largest military installation, on Thursday.

Hasan, armed with two handguns including a semi-automatic pistol, walked into a processing centre for soldiers deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan, where he killed 13 and injured more than 30.

Fellow doctors have recounted how they were repeatedly harangued by Hasan about religion and that he openly claimed to be a "Muslim first and American second."


One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal complaints.


Another, Dr Val Finnell, who took a course with him in 2007 at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Maryland, did complain about Hasan's "anti-American rants." He said: "The system is not doing what it's supposed to do. He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or

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I heard he actually called obama and told him he was gonna do it..and obama was like "cool my ni66a"... ::)


3333 youre killin me...get a life ::)

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Hey Mal:

Have fun paying off your student loans for years on end and working in a DMV style health clinic for shitty pasy courtesy of your hero.

BTW - I am jumping to conclusions on this despite what C-I-C says.  If he can jump to conclusions on Gates, i can jump to conclusions on this.     
 

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Hey Mal:

Have fun paying off your student loans for years on end and working in a DMV style health clinic for shitty pasy courtesy of your hero.

BTW - I am jumping to conclusions on this despite what C-I-C says.  If he can jump to conclusions on Gates, i can jump to conclusions on this.     
 

is that what this bill said or is that what you think will come of it

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is that what this bill said or is that what you think will come of it

They are cutting Medicare by $500 billion dollars and raising taxes by $600 billion to pay for this mess.  Where do you think those cuts are going to be made:  doctor reimbursements. 

They are also applying a wierd formula in there where if the govt determines you are performing too many services, they will cut your reimbursements even more, especially if you are performing high cost procedures. 


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They are cutting Medicare by $500 billion dollars and raising taxes by $600 billion to pay for this mess.  Where do you think those cuts are going to be made:  doctor reimbursements. 

They are also applying a wierd formula in there where if the govt determines you are performing too many services, they will cut your reimbursements even more, especially if you are performing high cost procedures. 



i can still have whatever private practice i want

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i can still have whatever private practice i want

Correct, however, you are going to have to see more patients at a lower reimbursement rate to make the same money. 

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Obamacare Reality Check: Gov. Sets Doctor PayBy Joseph Onorati on Aug 10, 2009

3 SEC. 223. PAYMENT RATES FOR ITEMS AND SERVICES.

4 (a) RATES ESTABLISHED BY SECRETARY.—

5 (1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall establish

6 payment rates for the public health insurance option

7 for services and health care providers…

From Page 121 of H.R. 3200

Health care reform bill, H.R. 3200, will grant to a bureaucrat the power to set rates at which doctors are paid under the public option.

Today, bureaucrats set the rates for doctor pay from Medicare. The New York Times reports that it is becoming increasingly more difficult to find a doctor that accepts Medicare payments. Doctors believe, according to an article written in April, that the rates are too low and paperwork too much of a hassle.

If doctors are able to maintain the right to opt out of a government-controlled public option, then Americans who choose government insurance will face the same problems that some seniors are facing now with Medicare—they will have trouble finding a doctor. If government requires doctors to accept lower paying public option-patients, then wages will fall and it will be less profitable for intelligent young people to put in the time and work to attend medical school to become a doctor. The result? Fewer doctors because of government price controls on wages.  That means fewer medical services to go around--resulting in more rationing.
 

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i can still have whatever private practice i want

for now......but what will eventually happen?  I think the govt run program will slowly squeeze out the insurers so that we end up with having to depend on it with no choice.  To include insurers and doctors being purely dependent on it.

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ObamaCare and me
By Zane F Pollard, MD

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I have been sitting quietly on the sidelines watching all of this national debate on healthcare. It is time for me to bring some clarity to the table by explaining many of the problems from the perspective of a doctor.

First off, the government has involved very few of us physicians in the  healthcare debate. While the American Medical Association has come out in favor of the plan, it is vital to remember that the AMA only represents 17% of the American physician workforce.

I have taken care of Medicaid patients for 35 years while representing the only pediatric ophthalmology group left in Atlanta, Georgia that accepts Medicaid. For example, in the past 6 months I have cared for three young children on Medicaid who had corneal ulcers. This is a potentially blinding situation because if the cornea perforates from the infection, almost surely blindness will occur. In all three cases the antibiotic needed for the eradication of the infection was not on the approved Medicaid list.

Each time I was told to fax Medicaid for the approval forms, which I did. Within 48 hours the form came back to me which was sent in immediately via fax, and I was told that I would have my answer in 10 days. Of course by then each child would have been blind in the eye.

Each time the request came back denied. All three times I personally provided the antibiotic for  each patient which was not on the Medicaid approved  list. Get the point -- rationing of care.

Over the past 35 years I have cared for over 1000 children born with congenital cataracts. In older children and in adults the vision is rehabilitated with an intraocular lens. In newborns we use contact lenses which are very expensive. It takes Medicaid over one year to approve a contact lens post  cataract surgery. By that time a successful anatomical operation is wasted as the child will be close to blind from a lack of focusing for so long a period of time.

Again, extreme rationing. Solution: I have a foundation here in Atlanta supported  100% by private funds which supplies all of these contact lenses for  my Medicaid and illegal immigrants children for free. Again, waiting for the government would be disastrous.

Last week I  had a lady bring her child to me. They are Americans but live in Sweden, as the father has a job with a big corporation. The child had the onset of double vision 3 months ago and has been unable to function normally because of this. They are people of means but are waiting 8 months to see the ophthalmologist in Sweden. Then if the child needed surgery they would be put on a 6 month waiting list. She called me and I saw her that day. It turned out that  the child had  accommodative esotropia (crossing of the eyes treated with glasses that  correct for farsightedness) and  responded to glasses within  4 days, so no surgery was needed. Again, rationing of care.

Last month I operated on a 70 year old lady with double vision present for 3  years. She responded quite nicely to her surgery and now is symptom free. I also operated on a 69 year old  judge with vertical double vision. His surgery went very well and now he is happy as a lark.  I have  been told -- but of course  there is no healthcare bill that has been passed yet -- that these  2 people because of their age would have  been denied  surgery and just told to wear a patch over one eye to alleviate the symptoms of double vision. Obviously cheaper than surgery.

I spent  two year  in the  US Navy during the Viet Nam war and was well treated by the military. There was tremendous  rationing of care and we were told specifically what things the military personnel and their dependents could have and which things they could not have. While I was in Viet Nam, my wife Nancy got sick  and got essentially no care at the Naval Hospital in Oakland, California. She went home and went to her family's  private internist in Beverly Hills. While it was expensive, she received an immediate work up. Again rationing of care.

For those of you who are  over 65, this  bill in its present form might be lethal for you. People in Britain face rationing of care in that there is an eight month wait for cataract surgery, 11 for hernia and the same for disc and total hip The government wants to mimic the British  plan. For those of you younger, it will still mean restriction of the care that you and your children receive.

While 99% of physicians went into  medicine because of the love of  medicine and the  challenge of helping our fellow man, economics are still important. My rent goes up 2% each year and the salaries of my employees go up 2% each year. Twenty years ago, ophthalmologists were  paid $1800 for a cataract  surgery and today $500. This is a 73%  decrease in our  fees. I do not know of many jobs in America that have seen this sort of lowering of fees.

But there is more to the story than just the lower fees. When I came to Atlanta, there was a well known ophthalmologist that charged $2500 for a cataract surgery as he felt the was the best. He had a terrific reputation and in fact  I had my mother's bilateral cataracts  operated on by him with a wonderful  result. She is now 94 and has 20/20 vision in both eyes. People would pay his  $2500 fee.

However, then the government came in and said that any doctor that  does  Medicare work cannot accept  more than the going rate ( now $500) or  he or she would be  severely fined. This put an end to his charging  $2500. The government said it was illegal to accept more than the government-allowed  rate. What  I am driving at is that those of you well off  will not  be able to go to the head of the line under this new  healthcare plan, just because you have money, as no physician will be  willing to go against the law to treat  you.

I am a pediatric ophthalmologist and trained for  10 years post-college to become a pediatric ophthalmologist (add  two years  of my service in the Navy and that comes  to 12 years).A neurosurgeon spends 14  years post -college, and if  he or she has to do the military that would be 16 years. I am not entitled to make what a neurosurgeon makes, but the new plan calls for all physicians to make the same amount of payment. I assure you that medical students will not go into neurosurgery and we will have a tremendous shortage of neurosurgeons. Already, the top neurosurgeon at my hospital who is in good health and only 52 years old has just quit because he can't stand working with the government anymore. Forty-nine percent  of children under the age  of 16 in the state of Georgia are on Medicaid, so he felt he just could not stand working with the bureaucracy anymore.

We are being lied to about the  uninsured. They are getting care. I operate  at least 2  illegal immigrants each month who pay me nothing, and the children's hospital at which I operate charges them nothing also.This is true not only on Atlanta, but of every community in America.

The bottom line is that I urge all of you to contact your congresswomen and congressmen and senators to defeat this bill. I promise you that you will not like rationing of your own health.

Furthermore, how can you trust a physician that works under these conditions knowing that he is controlled by the state. I certainly could not trust any doctor that  would work under these  draconian conditions.

One last thing: with this new healthcare plan there will be a tremendous shortage of physicians. It has been estimated that  approximately 5% of the current physician work force  will quit under this new  system. Also it is estimated that another 5% shortage will occur because of the decreased number of men and women wanting to go into medicine. At the present time the US government has  mandated gender equity in  admissions to medical schools .That means that  for the past  15 years  that  somewhere  between 49 and 51% of  each entering class are females. This is true of private schools also, because all private schools receive federal funding.

The average  career of a woman in medicine now is only 8-10 years and the average work week for a female in medicine is only 3-4 days. I have now trained 35  fellows in pediatric ophthalmology. Hands down the  best was  a female that I trained  4 years  ago -- she  was head and  heels above all  others I have trained. She now  practices  only 3 days a week.

Background: Dr. Zane F. Pollard

I did my undergraduate  work at Northwestern University  in Evanston, Illinois. I graduated  Tulane University medical School Alpha Omega Alpha ( medical school's top 10% of  graduating class). Internship at the Univ. of Southern California in Los Angeles, one year of General surgery residency at the U. of California in San Francisco. Two years in the US  Navy. Residency in Ophthalmology at the U.of S. California in Los Angeles, fellowship in pediatric Ophthalmology at the Wills Eye Hospital in Philadelphia. In practice with Eye Consultants of Atlanta for the past 35 years. Published 90 papers in peer reviewed  Scientific Ophthalmology Journals. Member of the American Association for Pediatric Ophthalmology and Strabismus,  American Academy of Ophthalmology and the American Ophthalmological Society. Board certified in Ophthalmology.
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Yet another thread hijacked courtesy of 33386  :-\

From a radical nutbag to universal healthcare all in one foul swoop.

This makes no sense to me.

How does a man stand in front of a conference of his peers spewing such vile... and people are afraid to report it?

Are you saying American military personnel are scared wimpering little children afraid of looking like profilers? I'm not buying it. I don't give a flying poop what religion, nationality, colour or orientation someone is. When you start spewing crap like non muslims should have their throats cut and boiling oil poured down their throats... that's an indication that you are off the deep end. Something is definitely amiss here. These do not add up. I can understand one person wimping out if this was something said in private one-on-one, but to make such a declaration publicly in a conference of peers? ...and no one has the balls to come forward and say something... it doesn't register on anyone's radar? ...or they are too intimidated to say something? BS! Islamophobia is too rampant for this to have flown under the radar. He would have been looked at suspiciously simply for being muslim. Throw in all the things he was alleged to have said... and there would have been investigators crawling so far up his anus they could have seen precancerous polyps. These facts are not adding up. Don't settle for neat tidy little solutions that put everything to rest. There is far more here than meets the eye.
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When are we going to get it? A Muslims first loyalty is to Islam not America

Well said.
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When are we going to get it? A Muslims first loyalty is to Islam not America

Isn't a Christians first loyalty supposed to be God, and not country?

Do we not see this common tenet among all religions?
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Isn't a Christians first loyalty supposed to be God, and not country?

Do we not see this common tenet among all religions?

I swear Jag, are you a mons gimmick?