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« on: November 17, 2009, 10:45:49 AM »
Smith & Wesson, the famed American gunmaker once owned by Tomkins, the British conglomerate, expects to nearly double its annual sales in the next three to five years as demand for its firearms soars in the recession. It is not alone.

All over America demand for firearms and ammunition is rising amid concerns that rising unemployment, which passed 10 per cent this month, will lead inexorably to higher rates of crime. Fears of terrorism have also helped to lift demand, as have concerns among gun owners that the Obama Administration may introduce restrictions on gun ownership and impose additional taxes.

Smith & Wesson is expecting sales to rise by 30 per cent to $102 million (£61 million) in the first quarter of the next financial year, after growing by more than 13 per cent this year to $335 million.

At Sturm and Ruger, sales for the third quarter hit $71.2 million, up 70 per cent from the same period last year. At Glock, the leader in law enforcement markets, pistol sales rose by 71 per cent in the first quarter of the financial year for 2010, in comparison with the same period last year.

Mike Golden, chief executive at Smith and Wesson, is sceptical about the so-called Obama effect on gun sales, believing that his company’s booming revenues have “nothing to do with the administration” and everything to do with the economy.

“People are worried about personal protection with unemployment and crime on the rise,” he said in a presentation to investors, adding that 30 per cent of customers who had bought the company’s guns in the first half of this year were “first-time gun owners”, up from 9 per cent nine a year earlier.

Randy Williams, industry editor at Hoover, the research firm, agreed. “As an example of the personal safety and terrorism aspect, Smith & Wesson’s hunting rifle sales in 2009 dropped about 33 per cent at a time when the company’s other gun sales — revolvers, pistols, Walther imports, and tactical rifles — grew 33 per cent,” he said.

Even though some experts believe that the gun bubble may be about to burst, with a slowdown in the rate of sales growth, such a view is not shared across the industry.

At the Freedom Group, whose brands include Remington, Marlin, Bushmaster and Harrington & Richardson, managers are encouraged by the “meaningful percentage of current firearm sales . . . made to first-time gun purchasers, particularly women”.

The company, owned by Cerberus, the private equity group, is seeking to raise $200 million through an initial public offering.

Although there is no clear evidence of a surge in gun ownership among women (they make up about 13 per cent of gun owners), the company says in its prospectus that it believes that the introduction of first-time shooters, as well as a younger demographic of users and those who like to customise or upgrade their firearms, will sustain the increase in demand.

Freedom is also hoping for an increase in the market for hunting guns, the only segment of the industry to experience a fall during the recession as cost-conscious consumers cut back on their discretionary spending on leisure activities.

With ongoing commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan, all manufacturers also believe that American military contracts will continue to provide them with large opportunities.

At Smith & Wesson, Mr Golden is taking no chances and has already started to diversify away from retail gun sales. In June he bought Universal Safety Response, which makes and installs security barriers and which he expects to bring in sales of $90 million next year.

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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2009, 10:50:17 AM »
I have enough guns, the issue is ammo.  Its impossible to get a decent price anymore. 

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2009, 10:51:48 AM »
heck yeah.  everybody's getting strapped.

times like there, you worry about the other people on your block who are out of work and about to get evicted.  Home invasions in my area are thru the roof.  I've trained my pitbull to bring me shotgun rounds while I reload.

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2009, 10:53:50 AM »
I have enough guns, the issue is ammo.  Its impossible to get a decent price anymore. 

Remember this lesson.

When President Palin or whoever GOP wins in 2012 is starting a 4th war and getting booted in 2016... buy your guns n ammo in mid-2016 ;)

This way, when the next lib takes office in 2017, and prices skyrocket again, you'll already be in good shape.  Same thing happened with bush/clinton in 92.  Everything got expensive in 94 with the brady bill.

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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2009, 11:38:22 AM »
I heard there using degradable gunpowder now so even if you stockpile ammo the shit goes bad within no time....
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2009, 11:44:32 AM »
I heard there using degradable gunpowder now so even if you stockpile ammo the shit goes bad within no time....

Thats why the russian stuff with the sealer on the primer and rim is selling like crazy

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2009, 05:44:21 AM »
I heard there using degradable gunpowder now so even if you stockpile ammo the shit goes bad within no time....

An urban myth, absolutely no truth to that BS email.  Ammunition will last a lifetime if stored properly.

I have a good bit that I will hold on to...it's finding some at a good price so that I can shoot is the problem.  Same as you 333...I can't wait to start reloading. 

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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2009, 05:47:52 AM »
An urban myth, absolutely no truth to that BS email.  Ammunition will last a lifetime if stored properly.

I have a good bit that I will hold on to...it's finding some at a good price so that I can shoot is the problem.  Same as you 333...I can't wait to start reloading. 

I shoot mostly .22 now.  The conversion kit I got the AR was the best $199 I spent in a long time.   

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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2009, 06:31:41 AM »
An urban myth, absolutely no truth to that BS email.  Ammunition will last a lifetime if stored properly.

I have a good bit that I will hold on to...it's finding some at a good price so that I can shoot is the problem.  Same as you 333...I can't wait to start reloading. 

whats the best way to store ammo
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2009, 06:42:51 AM »
whats the best way to store ammo

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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2009, 06:42:59 AM »
whats the best way to store ammo

What I do is get the ammo with the red primer on it.  Wrap it in a black garbage bag tightly, like the thick contractor bags at Home Depot.  Then put it in an ammo can in a dry, cool, dark area out of sight.  

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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2009, 01:33:22 PM »
whats the best way to store ammo

I prefer good old military surplus cans.  You can find them online, your local gunstore(usually), or at gun shows for $6-$9 depending on your area.  Fill them up, place either a silica pack or some type of moisture attracting material on top of your ammo, then put in your closet or somewhere out of the way where the temperature is going to stay stable(not outdoors or anything like that obviously). 

If you have the room you can just stack them in a closet or on a shelf etc.  The main thing for me (here in the South) is the humidity.  Wherever my ammo and guns are I put moisture capturers in the cases and boxes.  I also keep those small disposable dehumidifiers in my house.  That will help more than you know for the life of your firearms and ammunition. 

The two main enemies of a long shelf life for ammunition is temperature and moisture.  Take of those two things and you can have ammo that you pass on to your grandkids.  No joke.

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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2009, 01:43:19 PM »
What I do is get the ammo with the red primer on it.  Wrap it in a black garbage bag tightly, like the thick contractor bags at Home Depot.  Then put it in an ammo can in a dry, cool, dark area out of sight.  

I prefer good old military surplus cans.  You can find them online, your local gunstore(usually), or at gun shows for $6-$9 depending on your area.  Fill them up, place either a silica pack or some type of moisture attracting material on top of your ammo, then put in your closet or somewhere out of the way where the temperature is going to stay stable(not outdoors or anything like that obviously). 

If you have the room you can just stack them in a closet or on a shelf etc.  The main thing for me (here in the South) is the humidity.  Wherever my ammo and guns are I put moisture capturers in the cases and boxes.  I also keep those small disposable dehumidifiers in my house.  That will help more than you know for the life of your firearms and ammunition. 

The two main enemies of a long shelf life for ammunition is temperature and moisture.  Take of those two things and you can have ammo that you pass on to your grandkids.  No joke.

thanks fellas...looks like I need to take some extra steps....
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2009, 01:48:03 PM »
thanks fellas...looks like I need to take some extra steps....

Another thing, go to sportsmandguide and get good stuff at good prices.   I still have a crap load of 9mm that i bought for $9 a box that is now $20 a box.  What is the appreciation on that? 

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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2009, 01:48:22 PM »
thanks fellas...looks like I need to take some extra steps....

No problem...can I ask what you have been doing to store your ammo?

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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2009, 02:22:16 PM »
No problem...can I ask what you have been doing to store your ammo?

nothing much....but I havent had the shit that long....I got it in the boxes they came in,wraped in the bag from the hunting store I bought them from...then it's all in a couple shoe boxes in the closet...
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2009, 04:11:51 PM »
I have enough guns, the issue is ammo.  Its impossible to get a decent price anymore. 

Thought about packing your own cartridges?  We have a lot of people in my area that will do that on the cheap.  Helps a lot.

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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2009, 06:05:42 AM »
nothing much....but I havent had the shit that long....I got it in the boxes they came in,wraped in the bag from the hunting store I bought them from...then it's all in a couple shoe boxes in the closet...

Honestly...that works too.  As long as your closet isn't in the garage.  I would just add some silica packs or sometype of moisture capturer to the shoe boxes.  You can buy them at your hunting store.