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Sticking with the Scam
« on: November 27, 2009, 07:13:25 AM »
Climate 'czar' says hacked e-mails don't change anything
Stephen Dinan
washingtontimes.com

Obama administration climate czar Carol Browner on Wednesday rejected claims that e-mails stolen from a British university show climate scientists trumped up global warming numbers, saying she considers the science settled.

"I'm sticking with the 2,500 scientists. These people have been studying this issue for a very long time and agree this problem is real," said Ms. Browner, who President Obama has tapped as his chief of policy on global warming.

The e-mails were hacked from the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia and have come to light over the last week. They appear to show scientists saying they've smoothed over data that doesn't back up their claims of warming, and pondering how to freeze out scientists who disagree with them.

Release of the e-mails has fueled skeptics ahead of next month's major global warming meeting in Copenhagen, which is supposed to set the framework for a new global treaty to restrict greenhouse gas emissions.

The White House said Wednesday that Mr. Obama will personally travel to Copenhagen to commit the U.S. to greenhouse gas reductions.

The e-mails remain a point of debate, with skeptics pointing to several data sets that show the last few years have actually seen a cooling effect.

Sen. James Inhofe, Oklahoma Republican, has called for an investigation into the e-mails, and says they confirm his long-held suspicion that climate claims are not supported by the actual data.

Ms. Browner said the only people who still doubt global warming is happening and that humans are to blame are "a very small group of people who continue to say this isn't a real problem, that we don't need to do anything."

She also said the e-mails are only trickling out, and that the entire set hasn't been released.

Ms. Browner initially shrugged when asked about the e-mails, saying she didn't have a reaction. But when a reporter followed up, she said she will stick with the consensus of the 2,500 climate scientists on the International Panel on Climate Change who concluded global warming is happening and is most likely being pushed by human actions.

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Re: Sticking with the Scam
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2009, 07:14:32 AM »
Liberals hate science. 

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Re: Sticking with the Scam
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2009, 10:31:12 PM »
liberals hate common sense, and rational thinking

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Re: Sticking with the Scam
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2009, 10:35:47 PM »
You mean like invading Iraq based on WMD's?

Idiocy is not exclusive to liberals or conservatives.

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Re: Sticking with the Scam
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2009, 04:13:30 AM »
You mean like invading Iraq based on WMD's?

Idiocy is not exclusive to liberals or conservatives.

WMD was not the only reason we went there.  It was the best marketing for the war that wouls fly. 

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Re: Sticking with the Scam
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2009, 02:41:35 PM »
WMD was not the only reason we went there.  It was the best marketing for the war that wouls fly. 

So basically, it was the best lie that would fly over a sea of stupidity? 

Being that we are billions and billions in debt over it, years from a pull out, any other reasons seem moot. 

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Re: Sticking with the Scam
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2009, 03:11:25 PM »
So basically, it was the best lie that would fly over a sea of stupidity? 

Being that we are billions and billions in debt over it, years from a pull out, any other reasons seem moot. 

I dont disagree Ozmo.  But the govt is doing the same thing now with health care and climste change.  Find the most palatable lie and run with it. 

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Re: Sticking with the Scam
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2009, 03:34:18 PM »
I dont disagree Ozmo.  But the govt is doing the same thing now with health care and climste change.  Find the most palatable lie and run with it. 

I don't agree either.   I just don't think its a dem or repub thing, lib or conservative thing.  I think they are both dirty, in bed with large corps/interests group and we are the abused masses.   In stead of the pledge of allegiance we should just chant BOHICA!

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Re: Sticking with the Scam
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2009, 03:39:39 PM »
I don't agree either.   I just don't think its a dem or repub thing, lib or conservative thing.  I think they are both dirty, in bed with large corps/interests group and we are the abused masses.   In stead of the pledge of allegiance we should just chant BOHICA!

Its a power and control thing.  The democrats are doing the same thing that Bush did, just in different directions. 

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Re: Sticking with the Scam
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2009, 03:46:23 PM »
Its a power and control thing.  The democrats are doing the same thing that Bush did, just in different directions. 

I don't think its about that.  I think its about money.  Health care and Global warming = $$$$$,  War = $$$$$$$, Unregulated loans = $$$$$$

BOHICA

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Re: Sticking with the Scam
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2009, 03:48:59 PM »
I don't think its about that.  I think its about money.  Health care and Global warming = $$$$$,  War = $$$$$$$, Unregulated loans = $$$$$$

BOHICA

What's next?

I saw my cousin today who works on wall street.  This guy has been down there since 1990.  He told me that for the first time he believes I hacve been right all along that we are royally screwed for good.  He said that the spending Obama is doing is creating a massive moiney bubble that is going to result in either massive inflation or massive interest rate hikes.  Either way, he said everyone down there knows we are screwed royally and the UE will probably go to 13.5% officially. 

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Re: Sticking with the Scam
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2009, 08:41:24 PM »
An online debate over global warming science has broken out after an unknown hacker broke into the e-mail server at a prominent, British climate-research center, stole more than a thousand e-mails about global warming research and posted them online.

Global warming skeptics are seizing on portions of the messages as evidence that scientists are colluding and warping data to fit the theory of global warming, but researchers say the e-mails are being taken out of context and just show scientists engaged in frank discussion.

The Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia is one of the United Kingdom’s leading climate research centers and has been a strong proponent of the position that global warming is real and has human causes. The center confirmed the hack occurred in an e-mail statement to Threat Level.

“We are aware that information from a server in one area of the university has been made available on public websites,” the statement read. “We are extremely concerned that personal information about individuals may have been compromised. Because of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm what proportion of this material is genuine.”

The stolen cache includes more than 1,000 e-mails and more than 3,000 documents, some containing code. They were posted anonymously to an FTP server in Russia. The hacker then posted a link to the 61-MB file of data on the blog Air Vent.

The hacker’s message that accompanied the link read: “We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to be kept under wraps. We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code and documents.”

The e-mails, which cover a decade of correspondence, are getting a lot of attention among bloggers who point to statements in them that they say suggest the scientists colluded and manipulated data to support their global warming viewpoints. The bloggers highlight a statement in one 1999 e-mail from Phil Jones, director of the research center:

    I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e., from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.

The comment refers to Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University. Mann told Threat Level the “Nature trick” refers to a solution for displaying data that he and others used in a paper they published to get around a problem in the way that temperature data is traditionally displayed. The solution allows for better viewing and understanding of the data, Mann said, and pointed to a post on the RealClimate blog that his colleagues have made to explain the reference. That post also indicates that the hacker first tried to post the trove of stolen data to the RealClimate blog on Tuesday.


Another e-mail from Jones dated last year with the subject line “IPCC and FOI” is a request to Michael Mann, asking him to delete certain e-mails. Bloggers allege that Jones was trying to destroy data that had been requested under the Freedom of Information Act.

Jones wasn’t available for comment. Mann told Threat Level that he never deleted any e-mails and doesn’t know the context under which Jones made the request.

Bloggers allege that an e-mail from Kevin Trenberth, head of the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, suggests that reality contradicts scientific claims about global warming:

    Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming ? We are asking that here in Boulder where we have broken records the past two days for the coldest days on record. We had 4 inches of snow. The high the last 2 days was below 30F and the normal is 69F, and it smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about 18F and also a record low, well below the previous record low….

    The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.

But Trenberth, who acknowledged the e-mail is genuine, says bloggers are missing the point he’s making in the e-mail by not reading the article cited in it. That article – An Imperative for Climate Change Planning (.pdf) — actually says that global warming is continuing, despite random temperature variations that would seem to suggest otherwise.

“It says we don’t have an observing system adequate to track it, but there are all other kinds of signs aside from global mean temperatures — including melting of Arctic sea ice and rising sea levels and a lot of other indicators — that global warming is continuing,” he says.


Gavin Schmidt, a research scientist with NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, says the e-mails offer no damning indictment of climate researchers, and that bloggers are reading information in them out of context.

“There’s nothing in the e-mails that shows that global warming is a hoax,” he told Threat Level. “There’s no funding by nefarious groups. There’s no politics in any of these things; nobody from the [United Nations] telling people what to do. There’s nothing hidden, no manipulation.

“It’s just scientists talking about science, and they’re talking relatively openly as people in private e-mails generally are freer with their thoughts than they would be in a public forum. The few quotes that are being pulled out [are out] of context. People are using language used in science and interpreting it in a completely different way.”

Trenberth agrees.

“If you read all of these e-mails, you will be surprised at the integrity of these scientists,” he says. “The unfortunate thing about this is that people can cherry pick and take things out of context.”


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This all makes sense. Out of thousands of emails, the same few passages have been lifted and repeated over and over. There really wasn't a smoking gun.

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Re: Sticking with the Scam
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2009, 09:34:07 PM »

This all makes sense. Out of thousands of emails, the same few passages have been lifted and repeated over and over. There really wasn't a smoking gun.


I notice your article doesn't address the email whereby they were attempting to shunt the scientists who disagreed.