What shaped your view?

[outby43]

It seems that a lot of Neocons jumped on the Teaparty bandwagon and Obama hate fest. They say the democrats are sheep but from what I can tell these Neocons blindly follow talk show hosts and take Fox news as the bible.  I have a hard time believing that every one of the Neocons are devoted with a %100 full understanding of the issues. 

How much do you think Fox News, Drudge, etc..has shaped peoples opinions on issues?  Personally I don't think the Obama backlash would be as bad if he was white.

[Hugo Chavez]

It seems that a lot of Neocons jumped on the Teaparty bandwagon and Obama hate fest. They say the democrats are sheep but from what I can tell these Neocons blindly follow talk show hosts and take Fox news as the bible.  I have a hard time believing that every one of the Neocons are devoted with a %100 full understanding of the issues. 

How much do you think Fox News, Drudge, etc..has shaped peoples opinions on issues?  Personally I don't think the Obama backlash would be as bad if he was white.

race plays a part for sure, but it would still be pretty bad even if he was white.  I don't know if you remember the Clinton years well, politically, but it was pretty harsh against Clinton.  The absolute anger and hate is at a higher level now.  Today I was listening to a conservative talk radio program, which I mix in with the leftwing stuff I listen to, and the guy was basically saying, hey, anybody can kill the president.  He went on to give an example or two of how easy it would be then he went on to cover his ass by saying, but I don't condone you do this, I don't want to make a martyr of him bla bla bla...  I never heard shit like that under Clinton OR Bush...

[Soul Crusher]

It seems that a lot of Neocons jumped on the Teaparty bandwagon and Obama hate fest. They say the democrats are sheep but from what I can tell these Neocons blindly follow talk show hosts and take Fox news as the bible.  I have a hard time believing that every one of the Neocons are devoted with a %100 full understanding of the issues. 

How much do you think Fox News, Drudge, etc..has shaped peoples opinions on issues?  Personally I don't think the Obama backlash would be as bad if he was white.

1.  From what I can tell - there is no lack of ingorance on many issues from people on both sides.  

2.  My views are shaped by my belief in the basic belief that people should be a free as possible and screwed over by the govt in the form of confiscatory tax schemes.  My views were in place long before drudge or fox news.

3.  Obama is getting bacjklash because of his policies, which really suck.  Remember the backlash against clinton in 94'?  He pushed so much garbage that the gop took over control of the congress for the first time in decades.  

4.  I dont watch Fox.  I read RCP, WSJ, LAT, FR, WaPo, Politco, Bloomberg, Business Insider, and many other sites.  

5.  As far as the backlash Obama is getting, it is 100% deserved IMHO.  Whether its the insane health care bill, crap & tax, the stim bill, world apology tour, ksm trial, his priorities, and those of the congress, are simply wrong-headed.  He is scaring small businesses and making the economy far worse with his loomiong tax hikes, regulatioins, etc.

6.  Obama is the product of MSM slick marketing and fraudulent advertising.  He was put there by Goldman Sachs, Soros, and others of that ilk to do their bidding, no yours.  He is not the representative of the middle class.  He is the puppet of wall street and the govt. media complex (As Savage says).  I posted a video where KRS 1 said Obama is the black face they put on the NWO to distract people from what is really going on.  

7.  My personal disgust of Obama was sealed the first time I heard that clip from 2001 where Obama is talking about the constituition and said that the biggest problem with it, and the Warren Court, was that it did not address or accomplish redistribution of wealth to "previously dispossesed peoples.  That clip alone said all I need to know about who obama is, what he believes, and what his ultimate agenda is.  

8.  What is a "neo-con"?

9.  I think the other issue is that Obama is working with an insane congress.  I said early on, right around the elkection that obama would be a disaster if he let pelosi and reid craft the agenda and do the dirty work.  There are no breaks right now and it is insanity full steam ahead on every level.  IMHO, the only hope for obama is that the gop takes over 2010 and he pulls a clinton 95' and triangulates like Clinton did.  

10.  Finally, Obama is an easy target for scorn.  He is everywhere, all the time, anywhere and anyplace you look.  

[Hugo Chavez]

2.  My views are shaped by my belief in the basic belief that people should be a free as possible and screwed over by the govt in the form of confiscatory tax schemes.  My views were in place long before drudge or fox news.
 

Also, you can't deny, that the opposition to Obama is at least in some portion racially motivated.  I'm not accusing you of this, but there is no denying that the numbers are somewhat greater due to the fact that he's half black.

[Soul Crusher]

That was a typo.  I saw it once it was posted.  Good catch. 

Another thing, I dont care who it is, we need to be a watchful eye at all times on these pols given the power they have.  Because of the race issue, some think that this scrutiny is race based.  Its not. 

If a GOP person wins in 2012, I will be just as attentive to what they are doing to, even if it is a woman.       

[Hugo Chavez]

That was a typo.  I saw it once it was posted.  Good catch.  

Another thing, I dont care who it is, we need to be a watchful eye at all times on these pols given the power they have.  Because of the race issue, some think that this scrutiny is race based.  Its not.  

If a GOP person wins in 2012, I will be just as attentive to what they are doing to, even if it is a woman.        

I'm not saying all the scrutiny is race based, I'm upset with Obama on things too.  I'm just saying the overall number of people and level of hate is elevated because there ARE people who are approaching this from his race first.  That's a fact.  I can record conversations from people out west if you like, but being from NY, it shouldn't be a shock to you either.

oh yea, I knew it was a typo but it was funny

[Hugo Chavez]

and on issue 8.  Don't burry the neocon like he didn't exist or you don't know what he was.  That's an important part of why we are where we are.

[240 is Back]

"8.  What is a "neo-con"?"

it's amazing you're so into politics and so many CTs, but haven't read PNAC.

I guess partisan politics mean a lot to you

[Soul Crusher]

I'm not saying all the scrutiny is race based, I'm upset with Obama on things too.  I'm just saying the overall number of people and level of hate is elevated because there ARE people who are approaching this from his race first.  That's a fact.  I can record conversations from people out west if you like, but being from NY, it shouldn't be a shock to you either.

oh yea, I knew it was a typo but it was funny

Hugo - 90% of the complaints people tell me are health care and cap & trade.  Im not kidding, those two issues are really scaring people I know.  The economy of course, but those two bills are the subject of discussion at my weekly business meetings, etc. 

As far as the neo-con thuing, I said that not ass a wise ass remark, but just to get clarification of what he meant. 

Like I said, if it was a big govt compassionate con like bush said he was, im in agreement 100%.  I am more PJB and Ron Paul type myself.

[Hugo Chavez]

Hugo - 90% of the complaints people tell me are health care and cap & trade.  Im not kidding, those two issues are really scaring people I know.  The economy of course, but those two bills are the subject of discussion at my weekly business meetings, etc.  

As far as the neo-con thuing, I said that not ass a wise ass remark, but just to get clarification of what he meant.  

Like I said, if it was a big govt compassionate con like bush said he was, im in agreement 100%.  I am more PJB and Ron Paul type myself.

the neoconservative views are a very important thing to understand imo.  At first I was going to call xbht out on that but I misread him and decided not to post.  When he says it seems like a lot of neocons jumped on the teabagger bandwaggon, he's correct.  The day after the election neocons ran for cover.  There were hardcore neocon supporters and prominent neocons acting like the last 8 years never happened and neoconservatism was a myth.  And yes, many did flock to hide behind other elements on the right.  They quickly adopted the libertarian/ron paul momentum as their own hoping to blend in like they had never done anything wrong.  If you go back to my posts in the week after the election you will see me calling these people out for what they are doing in real time.

[240 is Back]

yeah, the neos started this machine obama is continuing.

without PNAC, the new pearl harbor 911, and cheney splitting up the iraqi oil fields before 911, we don't have obama blowing $ like a drunken sailor to keep the $ flowing.

I've drifted from politics in the recent months (with the exception of a brief palin-bashing fest!) because I'm jaded by it all.  Obama's almost the same as bush dude - it's just that he's more about helping the poor class and Bush was for the upper class. 

By playing dumb on it all, well.. .it's like running an anti-santa campaign but asking "who's the easter bunny?"