What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs

[KevinP85]

Can't speak for most, but drugs are VERY important like others have said. That being said, let's put it this way, I was 175-180 completely clean with single digit bf levels. I juiced up for a couple of competitions and went 205-210 on stage at around 4 or 5 percent. I am 6 foot so 175-180 isn't too impressive for getbig standards, lol, but I was lean as fuck and have pretty good shape. I also trained clean for 4 years straight before doing anything.

[Royalty]

I think some guys wouldve been pretty big: kai, jay, ronnie, dorian 230ish up to 245 in off season


The rest wouldve been small

[Palpatine Q]

I think guys with good genetics could still be somewhere between 200 and 220 lbs clean in shape,though not as freaky hard i think the drugs can add 10 to 20 percent to overall bodyweight  over a competitors career of 10 to 15 years, i think Coleman got to around 220 to 230 cleanish, no doubt that guy and guys like Sergio Olivia are some of the most genetically gifted guys at building muscle .
I'm not a fan of GH15 theories that all guys would 190 or less just on genetics, Ive been in the sport 20 years, no doubt some of his dosages theories are up there with things some people do, but his genetic issue with no one being over 190lbs clean is unrealistic a  lot of big 300lb plus permabulkers would still be 240 clean no problem, in similar shape meaning 12 to 14 percent bodyfat, Biggest advantage of using drugs, bigger and leaner. I struggled to hold muscle when dieting when i was a natural years ago,  when you use, no doubt you hold the muscle and burn the fat in a much more effective way.
Just an opinion based on what Ive encountered in an around the sport before i retired.

You mean like this guy?

[drkaje]

The industry couldn't survive without drugs.

[hipolito mejia]

Most of them would still look great simply as the result of superior genetics.

Almost everyone else is wasting money on steroids.

That was not the question   

[BayGBM]

Before and after and after.

[Bobby]

oh brother

sure you can be big natural, maybe 200-230 at 10-15% but contest shape, no way! no one of normal height would weigh more than 200 in contest shape. don't be naive

gh15 approved

[gh15]

IN CAPITAL SO ITS CLEAR AGAIN,,


CLEAN IS NOT NATURAL! CLEAN IS BODYBUILDER THAT FOR A LIMITED TIME USUALLY NO MORE THAN 2 MONTHS IS ON NOTHING OR IN MOST CASES ON PEPTIDES OR HCG CLOMID AND THE SUCH,,

NOW,,

NATURAL LIMIT = 180LB AT 7-10% AT 5'9 OR SO  7 LB PER INCH TAKE OR GIVE ,,MOST FELLAS CAN NTO GET TO 180LB  NATURALLY AT 5'9 AT 8% BECAUSE THEIR FRAME IS SIMPLY NOTTHAT GOOD FOR THOSE NUMBERS SO THEY END UP A LOT LESS AS IN THE 160LB-175LB AND WITH HIGHER BODY FAT,,

THE ABOVE IS COMPLETE NATURAL LIMITS,,IT IS NEVER OVER 200LB AT SINGLE DIGITS NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE,,

NOW...WITH HORMONES THE LIMITS ARE LIMITLESS AS IN FROM 190 TO 350DEPENDING ON WHAT YOURE LOOKING 4 AND OFCOURSE YOUR RESPOND TO HORMONE.,,GENETIC FRAME,,CONSISTANT TRAINING AND NUTRITION AND BY SAYING NUTRITION I MEAN LOT OF CALORIES,,YOU JUST WONT WALK AROUND 260LB AT 10% AT 5'10 NO MATTER WHAT DRUGS YOU USE UNLESS YOU EAT AND EAT A LOT!

IT GETS TO A POINT IN BODYBUILDING THAT AFTER LONG PROLONG USE OF DRUGS YOUR BODY STOP HOLDING MUCH FAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU EAT,,ESPECIALLY AFTER CONSISTANT LONG USE OF TESTIOSTERONA YOUR BODY CAN TAKE A LOT MORE JUNK FOOD AND TREAT IT AS MUSCLE FOOD ITS ALL THE SAME WHEN YOUR BODY IS FOR A LONG TIME IN ANABOLIC STATE AND IN BODYBUILDING CASE BODIES ARE ALWAYS IN ANABOLIC STATE BECAUSE WE ARE HARDLY OFF,,THE ONLY REASON TO EAT CLEAN TO BEGIN WITH IS TO GET DOWN TO THE LOW SINGLE DIGIT BODY FAT,,WHEN YOU TRY TO MAINTAIN UPPER SINGLE DIGITS ,,,ANY FOOD WILL DO IT TO YOU IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH TESTOSTERONA AND OTHER HORMONES IN YUOR SYSTEM,,

4% = CLEAN FOOD FOR A LIMITES TIME OF WEEKS

9% = YOU CAN SIT AND EAT WHATEVER YOU WANT ,,IN MANY CASES NATURALS CAN DO IT TOO IF HIGH METABOLIZM ,,THE ONLY DIFF IS THEY WONT BE BIG AND AS THICK


I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT A 260LB PROFESSIONAL GO DOWN TO 200LB IN NO TIME WITH OUT HORMONES,,AND THAST AFTER 10S OF YEARS OF TRAINING,,THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID IT OR IN OTHER WORDS SLOW IT DOWN IS THE USE OF HCG AND HGH BUT EVEN THEN! THERE IS NO RUN AWAYU FROM  THE LOSS OF MUSCLE MASS BIG AMOUNT OF MUSCLE MASS,,AND WHAT REPLACES IT IS WATER AND FAT INORDER TO STAY 'BIG IN CLOTHES'

ALL FELLAS WHO STIL MAINTAIN SIZE AND MUSCLE PAST CAREER ARE ON CONSISTANT USE OF HORMONES,,

GH15 APPROVED

[NarcissisticDeity]

    

[BIG_STI]

IN CAPITAL SO ITS CLEAR AGAIN,,


CLEAN IS NOT NATURAL! CLEAN IS BODYBUILDER THAT FOR A LIMITED TIME USUALLY NO MORE THAN 2 MONTHS IS ON NOTHING OR IN MOST CASES ON PEPTIDES OR HCG CLOMID AND THE SUCH,,

NOW,,

NATURAL LIMIT = 180LB AT 7-10% AT 5'9 OR SO  7 LB PER INCH TAKE OR GIVE ,,MOST FELLAS CAN NTO GET TO 180LB  NATURALLY AT 5'9 AT 8% BECAUSE THEIR FRAME IS SIMPLY NOTTHAT GOOD FOR THOSE NUMBERS SO THEY END UP A LOT LESS AS IN THE 160LB-175LB AND WITH HIGHER BODY FAT,,

THE ABOVE IS COMPLETE NATURAL LIMITS,,IT IS NEVER OVER 200LB AT SINGLE DIGITS NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE,,

NOW...WITH HORMONES THE LIMITS ARE LIMITLESS AS IN FROM 190 TO 350DEPENDING ON WHAT YOURE LOOKING 4 AND OFCOURSE YOUR RESPOND TO HORMONE.,,GENETIC FRAME,,CONSISTANT TRAINING AND NUTRITION AND BY SAYING NUTRITION I MEAN LOT OF CALORIES,,YOU JUST WONT WALK AROUND 260LB AT 10% AT 5'10 NO MATTER WHAT DRUGS YOU USE UNLESS YOU EAT AND EAT A LOT!

IT GETS TO A POINT IN BODYBUILDING THAT AFTER LONG PROLONG USE OF DRUGS YOUR BODY STOP HOLDING MUCH FAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU EAT,,ESPECIALLY AFTER CONSISTANT LONG USE OF TESTIOSTERONA YOUR BODY CAN TAKE A LOT MORE JUNK FOOD AND TREAT IT AS MUSCLE FOOD ITS ALL THE SAME WHEN YOUR BODY IS FOR A LONG TIME IN ANABOLIC STATE AND IN BODYBUILDING CASE BODIES ARE ALWAYS IN ANABOLIC STATE BECAUSE WE ARE HARDLY OFF,,THE ONLY REASON TO EAT CLEAN TO BEGIN WITH IS TO GET DOWN TO THE LOW SINGLE DIGIT BODY FAT,,WHEN YOU TRY TO MAINTAIN UPPER SINGLE DIGITS ,,,ANY FOOD WILL DO IT TO YOU IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH TESTOSTERONA AND OTHER HORMONES IN YUOR SYSTEM,,

4% = CLEAN FOOD FOR A LIMITES TIME OF WEEKS

9% = YOU CAN SIT AND EAT WHATEVER YOU WANT ,,IN MANY CASES NATURALS CAN DO IT TOO IF HIGH METABOLIZM ,,THE ONLY DIFF IS THEY WONT BE BIG AND AS THICK


I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT A 260LB PROFESSIONAL GO DOWN TO 200LB IN NO TIME WITH OUT HORMONES,,AND THAST AFTER 10S OF YEARS OF TRAINING,,THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID IT OR IN OTHER WORDS SLOW IT DOWN IS THE USE OF HCG AND HGH BUT EVEN THEN! THERE IS NO RUN AWAYU FROM  THE LOSS OF MUSCLE MASS BIG AMOUNT OF MUSCLE MASS,,AND WHAT REPLACES IT IS WATER AND FAT INORDER TO STAY 'BIG IN CLOTHES'

ALL FELLAS WHO STIL MAINTAIN SIZE AND MUSCLE PAST CAREER ARE ON CONSISTANT USE OF HORMONES,,

GH15 APPROVED

I think most of this is fairly accurate

[BIG_STI]

   

The pic on the right is fake dumb ass

[NarcissisticDeity]

The pic on the right is fake dumb ass

No the scary part is it isn't......dumb ass 

[Topskin69]

I think some guys wouldve been pretty big: kai, jay, ronnie, dorian 230ish up to 245 in off season


The rest wouldve been small

Interesting question... have you ever juiced? If you did, did you feel convicted while you were doing it?

[WillGrant]

IN CAPITAL SO ITS CLEAR AGAIN,,


CLEAN IS NOT NATURAL! CLEAN IS BODYBUILDER THAT FOR A LIMITED TIME USUALLY NO MORE THAN 2 MONTHS IS ON NOTHING OR IN MOST CASES ON PEPTIDES OR HCG CLOMID AND THE SUCH,,

NOW,,

NATURAL LIMIT = 180LB AT 7-10% AT 5'9 OR SO  7 LB PER INCH TAKE OR GIVE ,,MOST FELLAS CAN NTO GET TO 180LB  NATURALLY AT 5'9 AT 8% BECAUSE THEIR FRAME IS SIMPLY NOTTHAT GOOD FOR THOSE NUMBERS SO THEY END UP A LOT LESS AS IN THE 160LB-175LB AND WITH HIGHER BODY FAT,,

THE ABOVE IS COMPLETE NATURAL LIMITS,,IT IS NEVER OVER 200LB AT SINGLE DIGITS NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE,,

NOW...WITH HORMONES THE LIMITS ARE LIMITLESS AS IN FROM 190 TO 350DEPENDING ON WHAT YOURE LOOKING 4 AND OFCOURSE YOUR RESPOND TO HORMONE.,,GENETIC FRAME,,CONSISTANT TRAINING AND NUTRITION AND BY SAYING NUTRITION I MEAN LOT OF CALORIES,,YOU JUST WONT WALK AROUND 260LB AT 10% AT 5'10 NO MATTER WHAT DRUGS YOU USE UNLESS YOU EAT AND EAT A LOT!

IT GETS TO A POINT IN BODYBUILDING THAT AFTER LONG PROLONG USE OF DRUGS YOUR BODY STOP HOLDING MUCH FAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU EAT,,ESPECIALLY AFTER CONSISTANT LONG USE OF TESTIOSTERONA YOUR BODY CAN TAKE A LOT MORE JUNK FOOD AND TREAT IT AS MUSCLE FOOD ITS ALL THE SAME WHEN YOUR BODY IS FOR A LONG TIME IN ANABOLIC STATE AND IN BODYBUILDING CASE BODIES ARE ALWAYS IN ANABOLIC STATE BECAUSE WE ARE HARDLY OFF,,THE ONLY REASON TO EAT CLEAN TO BEGIN WITH IS TO GET DOWN TO THE LOW SINGLE DIGIT BODY FAT,,WHEN YOU TRY TO MAINTAIN UPPER SINGLE DIGITS ,,,ANY FOOD WILL DO IT TO YOU IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH TESTOSTERONA AND OTHER HORMONES IN YUOR SYSTEM,,

4% = CLEAN FOOD FOR A LIMITES TIME OF WEEKS

9% = YOU CAN SIT AND EAT WHATEVER YOU WANT ,,IN MANY CASES NATURALS CAN DO IT TOO IF HIGH METABOLIZM ,,THE ONLY DIFF IS THEY WONT BE BIG AND AS THICK


I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT A 260LB PROFESSIONAL GO DOWN TO 200LB IN NO TIME WITH OUT HORMONES,,AND THAST AFTER 10S OF YEARS OF TRAINING,,THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID IT OR IN OTHER WORDS SLOW IT DOWN IS THE USE OF HCG AND HGH BUT EVEN THEN! THERE IS NO RUN AWAYU FROM  THE LOSS OF MUSCLE MASS BIG AMOUNT OF MUSCLE MASS,,AND WHAT REPLACES IT IS WATER AND FAT INORDER TO STAY 'BIG IN CLOTHES'

ALL FELLAS WHO STIL MAINTAIN SIZE AND MUSCLE PAST CAREER ARE ON CONSISTANT USE OF HORMONES,,

GH15 APPROVED

Good post.

[Clancy]

Tom Prince used drugs didn't he and he looks great now without the drug use.

[Parker]

Picture of ronnie in flex magazine a few months ago. In police uniform and has hair. He must of been approaching 30, and he isnt big by any means.

There is the pic of him before he graduated at some  Mr. Grambling event, I think. and  he could have easily cleaned up at Mr. Get ig right then and there. If that is a tiny tit, I want to know what type of tits you've been looking at.

[BIG_STI]

No the scary part is it isn't......dumb ass 

 

[njflex]

COMES down to the level of hardness and fullness that the drugs produce,plus it all depends on how many yrs and amounts on.pro level is on a whole other level ,the mass these guys carry need constant and consistent amounts,food,training,tough to keep up for yrs and yrs.i 'll use labrada as a example i saw a pic of him and he looks good still,and even if he weighs 185/190 and still lean, its not his contest shape hardness 190/195 where he looks full,vascular,his drug prep gave him that look,and he could follow his old diet/training to a tttt and still not have that look clean.the bigger guys its more extreme,labrada was not heavy bodyweight guy in or off season .

[Captain Equipoise]

The pic on the right is fake dumb ass

No it isn't, I ran into Paul less then a month ago.

Not much has changed.

[Skylge]

Kevin Levrone looks quite different (in recent ads of him), than what he used to look like at his competitive best. Difference is massive with all pro's. More than in the seventies, as there is a lot more substance use today, so a much bigger contrast between on and off cycle.