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Straw Man

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2 were from a previous post the quote function doesnt work  ;)

you too are missing the point...

FACT: THERE WAS INTEL THAT POINTED TO IRAQ HAVING WMD
FACT: YOU CONDEMN BUSH FOR NOT FOLLOWING INTEL IN ONE INSTANCE AND CONDEMN HIM FOR FOLLOWING IT IN ANOTHER

DENY THAT...


FACT: THERE WAS INTEL THAT POINTED TO IRAQ NOT HAVING WMD
FACT: YOU CONDEMN BUSH FOR NOT FOLLOWING INTEL IN ONE INSTANCE AND CONDEMN HIM FOR FOLLOWING IT IN ANOTHER

DENY THAT...

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FACT: THERE WAS INTEL THAT POINTED TO IRAQ NOT HAVING WMD
FACT: YOU CONDEMN BUSH FOR NOT FOLLOWING INTEL IN ONE INSTANCE AND CONDEMN HIM FOR FOLLOWING IT IN ANOTHER

DENY THAT...
LOL no doubt intel pointed both ways

difference is I dont condemn bush for not following intel before 9/11 and then condemn him for following up on intel in Iraq like you dousche bags do  :)

somewhat hypocritical dont you think?

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LOL no doubt intel pointed both ways

difference is I dont condemn bush for not following intel before 9/11 and then condemn him for following up on intel in Iraq like you dousche bags do  :)

somewhat hypocritical dont you think?

you keep ignoring one obvious point

Bush knew at the time that intel in favor of WMD's was bogus

you're the schmuck who is defending his lie today

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you keep ignoring one obvious point

Bush knew at the time that intel in favor of WMD's was bogus

you're the schmuck who is defending his lie today
LOL really he did, did he? so all the other countries that pointed to Iraq having wmd were in on this too?

face it hoss weve been over this time and time again and you never come out ahead...there was intel that pointed to iraq having wmd...

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LOL really he did, did he? so all the other countries that pointed to Iraq having wmd were in on this too?

face it hoss weve been over this time and time again and you never come out ahead...there was intel that pointed to iraq having wmd...

YES

he did know it at the time

so did the Brits and at least a few other countries

that's the whole point

what is it about that fact that you don't understand?



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YES

he did know it at the time

so did the Brits and at least a few other countries

that's the whole point

what is it about that fact that you don't understand?
so exactly what countries are in on the fix straw?

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so exactly what countries are in on the fix straw?

before we go there I'm assuming you agree that Britain knew the Intel in favor of WMD's was fake (and therefore Bush knew it was fake too) right?

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before we go there I'm assuming you agree that Britain knew the Intel in favor of WMD's was fake (and therefore Bush knew it was fake too) right?
no, I dont did they try to make the threat seem greater than it was surely they did. Did they fabricate intel no they did not face it straw there was intel, REAL INTEL that pointed to iraq having wmd...

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no, I dont did they try to make the threat seem greater than it was surely they did. Did they fabricate intel no they did not face it straw there was intel, REAL INTEL that pointed to iraq having wmd...

ok well if you can't aknowledge the fact that the Brits knew the Intel in favor of WMD was bogus and (in their opinion at the time) manufactured by the Cheney/Bush admin. then we have nothing left to discuss

let me know when you get back to reality




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ok well if you can't aknowledge the fact that the Brits knew the Intel in favor of WMD was bogus and (in their opinion at the time) manufactured by the Cheney/Bush admin. then we have nothing left to discuss

let me know when you get back to reality
so youre under the impression that there was never any intel that ever pointed to iraq having wmd?

LOL ok then straw who in your theory is in on the fix? Id like to hear your CT

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I always thought that the DC Sniper case should have gotten more attention since that tpye of thing to me seems far easier to pull off than any other type of terrorism event. 

Quite frankly, I am shocked we have not had crap like that happen since. 
You'd be surprised what has been stopped in DC

And remember the Holocaust Museum shooting, the perp, a old man, died last week.

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240 - this is now at least the 10th time I have asked you for anything concrete as to a 9/11 CT.  So far you have provided absolutely nothing.  

One minute its a controlled demo, the next minute its GWB knew but did nothing, the next minute its a rogue CIA unit, the next minute its a missle, the next minute its traces of explosives, the next its Israel knew, then its people selling put options on ariline stocks, then its Condi, then its Cheny, then its Halliburton, then its aliens.

Just give me something concrete backed up by fact.  

Although I cannot state to any degree of certainty that we were complicit in allowing 9/11 to happen, I *do* know that President Cheney and his people recognized immediately after it happened that it would be worth billions in profits to them.  There's no disputing that fact.
 

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Although I cannot state to any degree of certainty that we were complicit in allowing 9/11 to happen, I *do* know that President Cheney and his people recognized immediately after it happened that it would be worth billions in profits to them.  There's no disputing that fact.
 

I agree and have said many times that I am open to any credible evidence or CT that makes logic or coherent sense.  So far I see questions and little else.

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so youre under the impression that there was never any intel that ever pointed to iraq having wmd?

LOL ok then straw who in your theory is in on the fix? Id like to hear your CT
bump for who all is in on the fix...

Tre

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I agree and have said many times that I am open to any credible evidence or CT that makes logic or coherent sense.  So far I see questions and little else.

The ONLY possible argument I see is that, in the U.S., we have never had strict pre-flight screening like they do in countries like Turkey, where passengers have to arrive 3 hours early to travel as every inch of everyone's carry-ons are carefully scrutinized. 

BUT, in the wake of the attempted Christmas Day attack, the civil libertarians are arguing that millions of passengers would be 'unnecessarily inconvenienced' (their words) by that level of scrutiny either here or on planes bound for U.S. soil, even if it did make air travel much safer. 

So, if there's a right-wing conspiracy to bring American planes down, then the civil libertarians are in on it, too. 

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Regarding what happened after the Twin Towers were hit, it *is* possible that Bldg 7 (I believe that's the one) was destroyed in order to prevent the leakage of certain information.  I read something that seemed credible about this several years ago, but cannot recall the details.  I did agree (and still do) that buildings are often rigged with auto-destruction mechanisms to protect company or even national security.  I have a kill switch on my computers in my office and I'm sure many companies have something similar in place.


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"Regarding what happened after the Twin Towers were hit, it *is* possible that Bldg 7 (I believe that's the one) was destroyed in order to prevent the leakage of certain information. "

Very possible, yes.

Video shows the firefighters were all crouched in safe positions as the countdown to collapse commenced.  They all knew it was coming, and many cameras picked up the 'booms' of explosives before the tower fell. 

WTC7 was without a doubt a controlled demolition.  The clasic 'kink' and collapse of penthouse, coupled with both columns blasting and failing simultansously is proof of this.

The only problem is that WTC1 and 2 ALSO fell that day in similar fashion - with people inside.

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I'm with 386 on this one. Bush and his posse took advantage of the 9/11 aftermath to launch their foreign policy agenda.
But I have not seen a single concrete evidence pointing to that they were actively behind it.
As empty as paradise

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I'm with 386 on this one. Bush and his posse took advantage of the 9/11 aftermath to launch their foreign policy agenda.
But I have not seen a single concrete evidence pointing to that they were actively behind it.

The plan to kill Saddam and steal Iraqi resources was already in place.

All 9/11 did was to get the liberals onboard with Cheney's plan.

The thing is, Halliburton could've successfully competed for a large % the servicing contracts, but they were upset that the Chinese were given a contract as well and had to halt them. 

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Tre = very wise man.

Tre, I remember talking with you back in 2005 about 911 back when I was all gung-ho about it.

I said "controlled demolition" on building 7, and you were like, "What in th world are you talking about? ???"  I recall clearly as I was very new to it and it was the first time I spoke up.

So it's pretty funny to see you discussing it, and possible reasons for it.  The 'kill switch' idea is very possible.

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Tre = very wise man.

Tre, I remember talking with you back in 2005 about 911 back when I was all gung-ho about it.

I said "controlled demolition" on building 7, and you were like, "What in th world are you talking about? ???"  I recall clearly as I was very new to it and it was the first time I spoke up.

So it's pretty funny to see you discussing it, and possible reasons for it.  The 'kill switch' idea is very possible.


240 - congrts in nearing 40,000 posts. 

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thanks 33.

I'm betting as Nov 2010 elections near, you'll be at 120 posts per day...

your current 18,000 posts is very impressive as well!