Quick Question (on HRT)

[octobermajik]

What's up everyone. Just a quick question.

I'm on HRT, 200mg of Cypionate a week. I was told by someone that it was "better" if I split up the dose and inject 100mg twice a week, rather that the whole 200mg at once.

Might there be any validity to this, or does it not really matter?

Thanks in advance.

[jerseymuscles113]

At a dose that low And the purpose you are using It for 1x ew is fine i wouldn't recommend Any other way

[4thAD]

At a dose that low And the purpose you are using It for 1x ew is fine i wouldn't recommend Any other way

Agreed, I also run trt, and there is no need for splitting injects for replacement doses.

[SgtSpar]

I don't agree.  I feel much better when I split the doses.  It works better when you shoot it SubQ too.

[jerseymuscles113]

Lmao yea very good idea i think sub Q works the best that's why its recommended by everyone everywhere to do It like that.....HEY BODY BUILDERS, ATHLETES, AN POWER LIFTERS intramuscular is not the way to go you guys Have been doing It wrong!!!!!

[mrgut]

Lmao yea very good idea i think sub Q works the best that's why its recommended by everyone everywhere to do It like that.....HEY BODY BUILDERS, ATHLETES, AN POWER LIFTERS intramuscular is not the way to go you guys Have been doing It wrong!!!!!

Hey you forgot doctors and the manufacturer!

[4thAD]

I don't agree.  I feel much better when I split the doses.  It works better when you shoot it SubQ too.

Wow what are talking about? Are you serious? Long estered steroids such as test c do not need to be shot more than once a week for trt. If your running a bulking cycle, then that's a different story. Also why would you say subq works better?

[SgtSpar]

Lmao yea very good idea i think sub Q works the best that's why its recommended by everyone everywhere to do It like that.....HEY BODY BUILDERS, ATHLETES, AN POWER LIFTERS intramuscular is not the way to go you guys Have been doing It wrong!!!!!

Try doing the tiniest bit of research before you talk shit.  Obviously, if you are shooting 3ccs at a time it would be damn hard not to go in the muscle.  If you are shooting 1/2cc, SubQ works great.  T-muscle just did an article on it and it references the actual studies used, but I can tell you I've been doing it that way for a long time and it works well and the shots are painless.

"Wow what are talking about? Are you serious? Long estered steroids such as test c do not need to be shot more than once a week for trt. If your running a bulking cycle, then that's a different story. Also why would you say subq works better?"

Long-estered roids when shot are absorbed, slowly build to a peak, and then taper back off.  The more frequently you shoot, the more it flattens the peaks and valleys.  Its easier if you draw it out on a piece of paper than to explain it in writing, but it isn't hard to understand.  Just look at the ester you use, and graph out the time it takes to peak, and the time until its out of your system, and then draw the next shot over it, you'll see what I mean.

[ProfBush]

I found that when I split the dose, 100 mg E3.5D, I have less aromatization and therefore, less conversion of T to E2. I have the lab tests to back this up.

[jerseymuscles113]

Please....i've done my research And Have never heard of such a thing perhaps you would like to provide the article stating that subQ injections of cyp is preferred, is equal to, Or is being recommended for any reason over intramuscular injections because honestly your the only person i've even heard of doing It.....nd you Don.'t Have to explain highs And lows oR how a long Ester builds Up to me i understand It quite well but hrt Is just that, hormone replacement therapy you are replacing the amount of testosterone your body is supposed to naturally produce At this dose an for this purpose multiple injections arent necessary, unless you know somethin that the entire medical community doesn't know....if your using cyp for a cycle the yea split It into two or three shots ew....you my friend are the one who needs to do research

[SgtSpar]

Please....i've done my research And Have never heard of such a thing perhaps you would like to provide the article stating that subQ injections of cyp is preferred, is equal to, Or is being recommended for any reason over intramuscular injections because honestly your the only person i've even heard of doing It.....nd you Don.'t Have to explain highs And lows oR how a long Ester builds Up to me i understand It quite well but hrt Is just that, hormone replacement therapy you are replacing the amount of testosterone your body is supposed to naturally produce At this dose an for this purpose multiple injections arent necessary, unless you know somethin that the entire medical community doesn't know....if your using cyp for a cycle the yea split It into two or three shots ew....you my friend are the one who needs to do research

No one was explaining the highs and lows to you.  I was explaining to the person that asked and that I quoted before answering.  Read much?  Anyway, I already explained why subq is preferred.  The shots are painless.  No scarring.  I know what HRT is, and I explained why more frequent injections are better.  Here is the link to the article I already mentioned that talks about subQ shots, but I read about it and have been doing it since long before that came out.  You may not have heard of it, but lots of people have and are doing it.
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_supplements/the_testosterone_toolbox

[mrgut]

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_supplements/the_testosterone_toolbox

Dude, this "article" aka "ad" does not recommend subq test shots it merely states one can also use a insulin syringe for test shots into the quads... the same size needle used for hCG which is done subq...Here read again

"With lower doses and more frequent injections, one can inject in the quads (vastus lateralis) with 29 gauge 0.5ml/0.5 inch [50iu] insulin syringes. But generally speaking, rotating injection sites is always a good idea."
"These little pins are slow to load, but injection times are reasonable as the small plunger diameters create very high pressures. This same size syringe can be used for the hCG injections, which are subcutaneous injections."

[SgtSpar]

Dude, this "article" aka "ad" does not recommend subq test shots it merely states one can also use a insulin syringe for test shots into the quads... the same size needle used for hCG which is done subq...Here read again

"With lower doses and more frequent injections, one can inject in the quads (vastus lateralis) with 29 gauge 0.5ml/0.5 inch [50iu] insulin syringes. But generally speaking, rotating injection sites is always a good idea."
"These little pins are slow to load, but injection times are reasonable as the small plunger diameters create very high pressures. This same size syringe can be used for the hCG injections, which are subcutaneous injections."


"Dude", here is a quote from the forum thread that goes into more detail:
"Canadian clinical research has demonstrated that TRT by SC [under the skin injections into body fat] produce steadier testosterone levels and improves sense of well-being. Feel free to find out what is more comfortable for you."  There are many more examples of this in med literature.  And BTW, just what kind of injection do you think its going to be in the upper thigh with a needle 1/2" long?  Are you trying to say its IM?

[mrgut]

Now are these SC injections using a depot in oil? or a suspension in water? I highly doubt they are using a depot in oil for SC injection when this is a counter indicated see: FOR DEEP INTRAMUSCULAR USE ONLY. Yes, I've used slin pin for I.M. injections. unless your a fatass you can still go I.M with a .5 inch pin.

[mrgut]

OK, I found and read the reference to the clinical trial that was done in Canada about SubQ Test E. injections. While the study evidenced that SC injections can produce comparable TRT blood levels to that of conventional TRT. This was more in reference to the ease at which a normal person can self addminister the injections. Furthermore, they injected far more frequently than that of a normal I.M. TRT.

After one study, yes granted there have been more done, I would hardly recommend to others that SC Test injections is for one safe or more beneficial than traditional and proven I.M. injections.

[SgtSpar]

Now are these SC injections using a depot in oil? or a suspension in water? I highly doubt they are using a depot in oil for SC injection when this is a counter indicated see: FOR DEEP INTRAMUSCULAR USE ONLY. Yes, I've used slin pin for I.M. injections. unless your a fatass you can still go I.M with a .5 inch pin.

I love it when a person that has never done something tells someone that is doing it that it can't be done.  Yes, its oil-based cyp, yes I've been doing it for more than a year, yes, the shots are subQ, yes it works, and yes, I have the blood tests to prove it.

In the study they injected more frequently because it makes for more stable levels of test, just as I have been saying in this thread.  You notice they were using enathate, which is oil-based.  The point is, it works the same as IM, with much easier, and painless, shots.

Make all the snide remarks you want about 1/2" being IM unless you're a fatass, but 1/2" isn't much and on 99% of people, its gonna be subQ.  Regardless of your bodyfat, it sure isn't gonna be "FOR DEEP INTRAMUSCULAR USE ONLY".

[jerseymuscles113]

i try to keep an open mind About Shit now i won't be doing sub Q except for Hcg Or growth but It is an interesting study....thanks for the info

[SgtSpar]

i try to keep an open mind About Shit now i won't be doing sub Q except for Hcg Or growth but It is an interesting study....thanks for the info

I hear you.  I was skeptical too until I tried it.