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Sea level has been dropping since 2004
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Wednesday, February 17, 2010

Global Sea Level Decrease 2004-2010

The full 6 year dataset from January 31, 2004 to January 31, 2010 of the ARGO global network of 3198 free drifting ocean floats with GPS is now available (data first became available from this program in 2004-see float locations here and shown below). Using the Pacific Marine Atlas program to plot data from the entire network shows a slight downtrend in Sea Height over the past six years (January 31, 2004 - January 31, 2010) using data from the entire network:



http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2010/02/global-sea-level-decrease-2004-2009.html

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Re: Sea level has been dropping since 2004
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 11:05:44 AM »
Uh yeah you may want to not cherry pick your articles here Jimmy.  This is without context and similar to the 'hockey stick' it is named after but hey i don't expect you to know this so here is some truth -

From the IPCC 4th Assessment Report published in 2007, ocean thermal expansion contributed by not, vert, similar 50% to the 3.1 mm/yr observed global mean sea level rise during the 1993–2003 decade, the remaining rate of rise being essentially explained by shrinking of land ice. Recently published results suggest that since about 2003, ocean thermal expansion change, based on the newly deployed Argo system, is showing a plateau while sea level is still rising, although at a reduced rate (not, vert, similar 2.5 mm/yr). Using space gravimetry observations from GRACE, we show that recent years sea level rise can be mostly explained by an increase of the mass of the oceans. Estimating GRACE-based ice sheet mass balance and using published estimates for glaciers melting, we further show that ocean mass increase since 2003 results by about half from an enhanced contribution of the polar ice sheets – compared to the previous decade – and half from mountain glaciers melting. Taking also into account the small GRACE-based contribution from continental waters (< 0.2 mm/yr), we find a total ocean mass contribution of not, vert, similar 2 mm/yr over 2003–2008. Such a value represents not, vert, similar 80% of the altimetry-based rate of sea level rise over that period. We next estimate the steric sea level (i.e., ocean thermal expansion plus salinity effects) contribution from: (1) the difference between altimetry-based sea level and ocean mass change and (2) Argo data. Inferred steric sea level rate from (1) (not, vert, similar 0.3 mm/yr over 2003–2008) agrees well with the Argo-based value also estimated here (0.37 mm/yr over 2004–2008). Furthermore, the sea level budget approach presented in this study allows us to constrain independent estimates of the Glacial Isostatic Adjustment (GIA) correction applied to GRACE-based ocean and ice sheet mass changes, as well as of glaciers melting. Values for the GIA correction and glacier contribution needed to close the sea level budget and explain GRACE-based mass estimates over the recent years agree well with totally independent determinations

Sea level budget over 2003–2008: A reevaluation from GRACE space gravimetry, satellite altimetry and Argo
Global and Planetary Change, Volume 65, Issues 1-2, January 2009, Pages 83-88
A. Cazenave, K. Dominh, S. Guinehut, E. Berthier, W. Llovel, G. Ramillien, M. Ablain, G. Larnicol

Measuring sea level change and understanding its causes have improved considerably in the recent years, essentially because new in situ and remote sensing data sets have become available. Here we report on the current knowledge of present-day sea level change. We briefly present observational results on sea level change from satellite altimetry since 1993 and tide gauges for the past century. We next discuss recent progress made in quantifying the processes causing sea level change on time scales ranging from years to decades, i.e., thermal expansion, land ice mass loss and land water storage change. For the 1993–2003 decade, the sum of climate-related contributions agree well (within the error bars) with the altimetry-based sea level, half of the observed rate of rise being due to ocean thermal expansion, land ice plus land waters explaining the other half. Since about 2003, thermal expansion increase has stopped, whereas the sea level continues to rise, although at a reduced rate compared to the previous decade (2.5 mm/yr versus 3.1 mm/yr). Recent increases in glacier melting and ice mass loss from the ice sheets appear able to account alone for the rise in sea level reported over the last five years.

Present-day sea level rise: A synthesis
Comptes Rendus Geosciences, Volume 340, Issue 11, November 2008, Pages 761-770
Anny Cazenave, Alix Lombard, William Llovel

But oh wait these guys are wrong and a blog is correct right? Especially considering as i pointed out it's taken OUT OF CONTEXT much like the hockey stick was by Al Gore etc.

Funny huh?
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Re: Sea level has been dropping since 2004
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2010, 11:49:50 AM »
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From the IPCC 4th Assessment Report published in 2007, ocean thermal expansion contributed by not, vert, similar 50% to the 3.1 mm/yr observed global mean sea level rise during the 1993–2003 decade, the remaining rate of rise being essentially explained by shrinking of land ice. Recently published results suggest that since about 2003, ocean thermal expansion change, based on the newly deployed Argo system, is showing a plateau while sea level is still rising, although at a reduced rate (not, vert, similar 2.5 mm/yr). Using space gravimetry observations from GRACE, we show that recent years sea level rise can be mostly explained by an increase of the mass of the oceans. Estimating GRACE-based ice sheet mass balance and using published estimates for glaciers melting, we further show that ocean mass increase since 2003 results by about half from an enhanced contribution of the polar ice sheets – compared to the previous decade – and half from mountain glaciers melting. Taking also into account the small GRACE-based contribution from continental waters (< 0.2 mm/yr), we find a total ocean mass contribution of not, vert, similar 2 mm/yr over 2003–2008. Such a value represents not, vert, similar 80% of the altimetry-based rate of sea level rise over that period. We next estimate the steric sea level (i.e., ocean thermal expansion plus salinity effects) contribution from: (1) the difference between altimetry-based sea level and ocean mass change and (2) Argo data. Inferred steric sea level rate from (1) (not, vert, similar 0.3 mm/yr over 2003–2008) agrees well with the Argo-based value also estimated here (0.37 mm/yr over 2004–2008). Furthermore, the sea level budget approach presented in this study allows us to constrain independent estimates of the Glacial Isostatic Adjustment (GIA) correction applied to GRACE-based ocean and ice sheet mass changes, as well as of glaciers melting. Values for the GIA correction and glacier contribution needed to close the sea level budget and explain GRACE-based mass estimates over the recent years agree well with totally independent determinations

Uh yeah you may want to not cherry pick your articles here Jimmy.  This is without context and similar to the 'hockey stick' it is named after but hey i don't expect you to know this so here is some truth -

From the IPCC 4th Assessment Report published in 2007, ocean thermal expansion contributed by not, vert, similar 50% to the 3.1 mm/yr observed global mean sea level rise during the 1993–2003 decade, the remaining rate of rise being essentially explained by shrinking of land ice. Recently published results suggest that since about 2003, ocean thermal expansion change, based on the newly deployed Argo system, is showing a plateau while sea level is still rising, although at a reduced rate (not, vert, similar 2.5 mm/yr). Using space gravimetry observations from GRACE, we show that recent years sea level rise can be mostly explained by an increase of the mass of the oceans. Estimating GRACE-based ice sheet mass balance and using published estimates for glaciers melting, we further show that ocean mass increase since 2003 results by about half from an enhanced contribution of the polar ice sheets – compared to the previous decade – and half from mountain glaciers melting. Taking also into account the small GRACE-based contribution from continental waters (< 0.2 mm/yr), we find a total ocean mass contribution of not, vert, similar 2 mm/yr over 2003–2008. Such a value represents not, vert, similar 80% of the altimetry-based rate of sea level rise over that period. We next estimate the steric sea level (i.e., ocean thermal expansion plus salinity effects) contribution from: (1) the difference between altimetry-based sea level and ocean mass change and (2) Argo data. Inferred steric sea level rate from (1) (not, vert, similar 0.3 mm/yr over 2003–2008) agrees well with the Argo-based value also estimated here (0.37 mm/yr over 2004–2008). Furthermore, the sea level budget approach presented in this study allows us to constrain independent estimates of the Glacial Isostatic Adjustment (GIA) correction applied to GRACE-based ocean and ice sheet mass changes, as well as of glaciers melting. Values for the GIA correction and glacier contribution needed to close the sea level budget and explain GRACE-based mass estimates over the recent years agree well with totally independent determinations

Sea level budget over 2003–2008: A reevaluation from GRACE space gravimetry, satellite altimetry and Argo
Global and Planetary Change, Volume 65, Issues 1-2, January 2009, Pages 83-88
A. Cazenave, K. Dominh, S. Guinehut, E. Berthier, W. Llovel, G. Ramillien, M. Ablain, G. Larnicol

Measuring sea level change and understanding its causes have improved considerably in the recent years, essentially because new in situ and remote sensing data sets have become available. Here we report on the current knowledge of present-day sea level change. We briefly present observational results on sea level change from satellite altimetry since 1993 and tide gauges for the past century. We next discuss recent progress made in quantifying the processes causing sea level change on time scales ranging from years to decades, i.e., thermal expansion, land ice mass loss and land water storage change. For the 1993–2003 decade, the sum of climate-related contributions agree well (within the error bars) with the altimetry-based sea level, half of the observed rate of rise being due to ocean thermal expansion, land ice plus land waters explaining the other half. Since about 2003, thermal expansion increase has stopped, whereas the sea level continues to rise, although at a reduced rate compared to the previous decade (2.5 mm/yr versus 3.1 mm/yr). Recent increases in glacier melting and ice mass loss from the ice sheets appear able to account alone for the rise in sea level reported over the last five years.

Present-day sea level rise: A synthesis
Comptes Rendus Geosciences, Volume 340, Issue 11, November 2008, Pages 761-770
Anny Cazenave, Alix Lombard, William Llovel

But oh wait these guys are wrong and a blog is correct right? Especially considering as i pointed out it's taken OUT OF CONTEXT much like the hockey stick was by Al Gore etc.

Funny huh?



You are even dumber than I originally thought !!

Your post sites a report that is at the forefront of the Global warming scam, as parts of it have been found to be erroneous ! ! !
 

18 January 2010

Glacial Fallout and the IPCC

The IPCC’s error with respect to Himalayan glaciers has all of a sudden gained enormous traction. Here is a quick round up of the latest.

The IPCC’s error with respect to Himalayan glaciers has all of a sudden gained enormous traction. Here is a quick round up of the latest.

Rajendra Pachauri, head of the IPCC, says that the Panel is revisiting the erroneous claims on glaciers:

”We are looking into the issue of the Himalayan glaciers, and will take a position on it in the next two or three days,” Rajendra Pachauri, head of the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), told Reuters in an e-mail.

What this might mean isunclear since the AR4 is disbanded and it is not clear that the IPC has any policies or procedures for revisiting or addressing errors in previously published reports. Depending on how the IPCC responds, there likely will be other issues to be addressed, including of course the IPCC’s egregious errors on disasters and climate change.


In Indian media, Pachauri also appears to have disavowed any responsibility for the IPCC error, while India’s environment minister Jairam Ramesh claims to have been vindicated in his dispute with Pachauri and the IPCC:

India’s Minister for Environment and Forests Jairam Ramesh Monday said “I was right on the glaciers” while maintaining that the Himalayan glaciers are ”indeed” receding, which is a cause for great concern, but the view that these rivers of ice would melt down completely by 2035 due to global warning is ”alarmist” and without any scientific basis.

The IPCC’s claim was based on an article in a London-based science journal which had borrowed the statement from India’s glaciologist Syed Iqbal Hasnain. “The study was not made on any scientific evidence,” a very happy sounding minister.

WWF-India Climate Change and Energy Programme chief Shirish Sinha admitted that there are ”limitations to scientific models used for such studies.”



Climate Gate – All the manipulations and lies revealed 231


Climate Gate – All the manipulations and lies revealed 231
By sophiaalbertina

This is another example of the “great science” behind the Global Warming Hysteria.

“Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was ”speculation” and was not supported by any formal research. If confirmed it would be one of the most serious failures yet seen in climate research.”

“The New Scientist report was apparently forgotten until 2005 when WWF cited it in a report called An Overview of Glaciers, Glacier Retreat, and Subsequent Impacts in Nepal, India and China. The report credited Hasnain’s 1999 interview with the New Scientist. But it was a campaigning report rather than an academic paper so it was not subjected to any formal scientific review. Despite this it rapidly became a key source for the IPCC when Lal and his colleagues came to write the section on the Himalayas.  

When finally published, the IPCC report did give its source as the WWF study but went further, suggesting the likelihood of the glaciers melting was ”very high”. The IPCC defines this as having a probability of greater than 90%. “

Some scientists have questioned how the IPCC could have allowed such a mistake into print. Perhaps the most likely reason was lack of expertise. Lal himself admits he knows little about glaciers. ”I am not an expert on glaciers.and I have not visited the region so I have to rely on credible published research. The comments in the WWF report were made by a respected Indian scientist and it was reasonable to assume he knew what he was talking about,” he said.  

Rajendra Pachauri, the IPCC chairman, has previously dismissed criticism of the Himalayas claim as ”voodoo science”.  

The IPCC refused to comment so it has yet to explain how someone who admits to little expertise on glaciers was overseeing such a report. Perhaps its one consolation is that the blunder was spotted by climate scientists who quickly made it public.”


World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown


A WARNING that climate change will melt most of the Himalayan glaciers by 2035 is likely to be retracted after a series of scientific blunders by the United Nations body that issued it.  

Two years ago the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a benchmark report that was claimed to incorporate the latest and most detailed research into the impact of global warming. A central claim was the world’s glaciers were melting so fast that those in the Himalayas could vanish by 2035.  

In the past few days the scientists behind the warning have admitted that it was based on a news story in the New Scientist, a popular science journal, published eight years before the IPCC’s 2007 report.

It has also emerged that the New Scientist report was itself based on a short telephone interview with Syed Hasnain, a little-known Indian scientist then based at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi.

Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was ”speculation” and was not supported by any formal research. If confirmed it would be one of the most serious failures yet seen in climate research. The IPCC was set up precisely to ensure that world leaders had the best possible scientific advice on climate change.  

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6991177.ece





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Re: Sea level has been dropping since 2004
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2010, 02:31:53 PM »
Glaciers in the himalayan mountains are not receeding at the rate first claimed.  That is correct.  However, this does not explain away glacial melt throughout the world.

Nice try though you're trying to tarnish sound science with the same brush.  Jamie you are someone who does not seem to understand the IPCC is not one person nor one paper. 

How does it feel to be owned?  I must admit i enjoy proving you wrong but it does get tiring.  You are after all an idiot gimmick spammer.   8)
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Re: Sea level has been dropping since 2004
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2010, 02:50:38 PM »
Glaciers in the himalayan mountains are not receeding at the rate first claimed.  That is correct.  However, this does not explain away glacial melt throughout the world.

Nice try though you're trying to tarnish sound science with the same brush.  Jamie you are someone who does not seem to understand the IPCC is not one person nor one paper. 

How does it feel to be owned?  I must admit i enjoy proving you wrong but it does get tiring.  You are after all an idiot gimmick spammer.   8)

You always like to throw around  phrases like glacial melt, but never have any actual proof it is happening. You do realize we have been in a solar minimum since 2008 don't you, the lowest level of solar activity since around 1913. See the one thing you eco-nazi's always want to leave out the equation is the fucking SUN. So gee I wonder what that will mean perhaps a cooling period?
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Re: Sea level has been dropping since 2004
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Glaciers in the Himalayan mountains are not receding at the rate first claimed.  That is correct.  However, this does not explain away glacial melt throughout the world.

Nice try though you're trying to tarnish sound science with the same brush.  Jamie you are someone who does not seem to understand the IPCC is not one person nor one paper.

How does it feel to be owned?  I must admit i enjoy proving you wrong but it does get tiring.  You are after all an idiot gimmick spammer.   Cool

The Himalayan mountains is the world’s highest mountain range, and was the one of the major scare “selling points” in the very same IPCC  Report that you used for your argument, and the Senior Board Members of the UN climate project, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were forced to admit that they were wrong., as the report "was not based on any was not even a scientific study of melting data. Rather it was a reference to a newspaper article cited by a pro-global warming ecological advocacy group, WWF".

"Georg Kaser, an expert in glaciology with University of Innsbruck in Austria and a lead author for the IPCC, gave a damning different assessment of the implications of the latest scandal affecting the credibility of the IPCC. Kaser says he had warned that the 2035 prediction was clearly wrong in 2006, months before the IPCC report was published. “This [date] is not just a little bit wrong, but far out of any order of magnitude. All the responsible people are aware of this weakness in the fourth assessment. All are aware of the mistakes made. If it had not been the focus of so much public opinion, we would have said ‘we will do better next time’. It is clear now that working group II has to be restructured.” that means the entire reports should not be taken seriously., and  it isn't, except to Buffoons like you still believe in such garbage, but that not saying much, considering you still believe in Obama's garbage.


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Re: Sea level has been dropping since 2004
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2010, 03:24:42 PM »
This has been discussed by scientists in the climate change field already Kazan.  You should keep up maybe you'd learn something and get past your childish resistance to new ideas that go against what you were once taught.  
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Re: Sea level has been dropping since 2004
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2010, 03:26:00 PM »
Let's assume that global warming is true. 

1.  We dont know exactly why. 

and no. 2.

AND MOST IMPORTANT 

WHAT MAKES ANYONE THINK THAT WE CAN CONTROL IT BY CHANGING OUR DAMN LIGHT BULBS? 

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Re: Sea level has been dropping since 2004
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2010, 03:32:46 PM »
The the Himalayan mountains is the world’s highest mountain range, and was the one of the major scare “selling point” in the very same IPCC  Report that you used for your argument, and the Senior Board Members of the UN climate project, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were forced to admit that they were wrong., as the report "was not based on any was not even a scientific study of melting data. Rather it was a reference to a newspaper article cited by a pro-global warming ecological advocacy group, WWF".

"Georg Kaser, an expert in glaciology with University of Innsbruck in Austria and a lead author for the IPCC, gave a damning different assessment of the implications of the latest scandal affecting the credibility of the IPCC. Kaser says he had warned that the 2035 prediction was clearly wrong in 2006, months before the IPCC report was published. “This [date] is not just a little bit wrong, but far out of any order of magnitude. All the responsible people are aware of this weakness in the fourth assessment. All are aware of the mistakes made. If it had not been the focus of so much public opinion, we would have said ‘we will do better next time’. It is clear now that working group II has to be restructured.” that means the entire reports should not be taken seriously., and  it isn't, except to Buffoons like you still believe in such garbage, but that not saying much, considering you still believe in Obama's garbage.


And You haven't "owned" anything since you lost your pet Gerbil a few years ago.

Like i said this was discussed i agree it was a wrong thing to say.  You seem to have little understanding of the report as you believe somewhat incorrectly that one error somehow makes all other scientific work related to it incorrect.  

What you have posted is an attempt at piecemeal science.  It's cherry picking and you've been found wrong.  It has been exerts explained in the papers i posted, in fact i even posted their names so you can look them up.  They aren't hiding.  They aren't writing on their own blog about it.  They are real scientists conducting real studies.  If you have any questions google them, seriously.  I'm sure you could find their email address and ask them to explain it to you in terms you will understand.  

If you don't then you're admitting i'm right and you're scared of that fact so you'll hide behind inaccuracies of unrelated issues or out of context statistics.  

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Re: Sea level has been dropping since 2004
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2010, 03:38:10 PM »
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Like i said this was discussed i agree it was a wrong thing to say.  You seem to have little understanding of the report as you believe somewhat incorrectly that one error somehow makes all other scientific work related to it incorrect.  

What you have posted is an attempt at piecemeal science.  It's cherry picking and you've been found wrong.  It has been exerts explained in the papers i posted, in fact i even posted their names so you can look them up.  They aren't hiding.  They aren't writing on their own blog about it.  They are real scientists conducting real studies.  If you have any questions google them, seriously.  I'm sure you could find their email address and ask them to explain it to you in terms you will understand.  

If you don't then you're admitting i'm right and you're scared of that fact so you'll hide behind inaccuracies of unrelated issues or out of context statistics.  


Fact: The main report you sited as evidence for the raising Sea Level, was proven to have false claims in it, and that it was based on nothing more than a newspaper article, and yet, you used it as your centerpiece above.,  LMAO !!!!!!

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Re: Sea level has been dropping since 2004
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2010, 03:46:19 PM »

Fact: The main report you sited as evidence for the raising Sea Level, was proven to have false claims in it, and that it was based on nothing more than a newspaper article, and yet, you used it as your centerpiece above.,  LMAO !!!!!!

Now run along little runt, before I stomp you like an ant.

Uh no.  It had an error in it but as i said you are assuming the paper is written by one scientist and that it is only about one thing.  It's done by many scientists and has a whole range of issues.  I don't run it as a centrepiece just proving your blog post as incorrect and out of context as the hockey stick it mocks in it's name. 

You don't want the truth and it's sad you'd rather stay in the dark.  Keep talking tough though i'm sure your bench press makes up for your lack of intelligence and trolling ways...or maybe not.   ;)
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Re: Sea level has been dropping since 2004
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2010, 03:55:54 PM »
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Uh no. It had an error in it but as i said you are assuming the paper is written by one scientist and that it is only about one thing.  It's done by many scientists and has a whole range of issues.  I don't run it as a centrepiece just proving your blog post as incorrect and out of context as the hockey stick it mocks in it's name.

You don't want the truth and it's sad you'd rather stay in the dark.  Keep talking tough though i'm sure your bench press makes up for your lack of intelligence and trolling ways...or maybe not.   Wink

It was more than just an error you dip shit, it was a flat out erroneous lie, as such was admitted to, plus this wasn't some small part of the report, it was one of the major components of the report that was being used to promote the so called garbage that you have so easily been duped by, as evidenced by your foolish use of it in your above post.

So next time before you try to "own" someone, do a little research, and maybe you wont use a report that has already had one of its major proponents discredited by it's very own Seniors Members.