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Euro Falls As Greece Bailout Fails
« on: February 12, 2010, 10:50:35 AM »

Euro continues to fall as EU fails to agree Greece rescue plan


Greece debt crisis and Germany's stagnant economy weigh heavily on the euro

guardian.co.uk, Friday 12 February 2010 12.52 GMT


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The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, dashed hopes of a swift bailout of debt-laden Greece yesterday. Photograph: Julien Warnand/EPA

The euro continued to fall today amid disappointment that the European Union has not come up with a solid rescue plan for Greece. Figures showing that Germany's economic recovery unexpectedly stalled in the final quarter of last year added to the euro's woes.

The currency came under heavy pressure yesterday as German chancellor Angela Merkel dashed hopes of a swift bailout of debt-laden Greece. EU leaders made a vague pledge to take "determined and co-ordinated action if needed" to help Greece and prop up the euro.

This morning, Olli Rehn, Brussels's monetary affairs commissioner, said the EU needs to be bolder in its surveillance of economic policies to avert a repeat of Greece's budgetary crisis.

"The critical lesson from this crisis is that we urgently need deeper and bolder surveillance of economic policies, including earlier detection and tackling of imbalances," Rehn said.

"I welcome the determined and ­co-ordinated response of the European Council to the economic and budgetary situation in Greece," he added, in response to a decision by EU leaders at yesterday's summit to give strong vocal support to Greece.

However, markets remain to be convinced and await more details on how Greece will be treated by its partners.

"The EU's intentions are good, but the market would like details," said Kasper Kirkegaard at Danske. "Until we get more details on a political solution for Greece, the euro is going to stay under selling pressure."

The euro has been hammered by Greece's debt crisis and is trading near an eight-and-a-half month low against the dollar, having lost nearly 10% since the end of last year. It fell 0.5% to $1.3606 this morning and was also down against other currencies. Against the pound, the euro dropped to a low of £1.1461.

The spread between Greek and German bonds also widened as investors demanded more of a premium to hold government bonds from Athens as against the benchmark German bunds.

David Buik, of BGC Partners, said: "The euro has fallen, but not exactly out of bed, though there is little appetite for support. The situation will inevitably be exacerbated by Spain's, Portugal's and Ireland's problems. Overall, it is estimated that international banks have €2.1tn (£1.8tn) exposure to these countries and €250bn to Greece. This is not small beer."

In addition, official figures showed this morning that Germany, Europe's largest economy, did not grow at all between October and December from the previous quarter, with an improvement in exports failing to offset weak consumer spending and investment.
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Re: Euro Falls As Greece Bailout Fails
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2010, 10:56:09 AM »
Germany is pricing people of out their market for goods.  I just gave up my BMW lease and was looking to re-lease or buy a X5.  The prices since the three years I released my old car have gone nuts. 

So now, I am looking at either Honda Pilot, Ridgeline, or Toyota 4 Runner. 

I figure I can work a good deal with all the bad press they have. 

As for Greece - its game over one way or the other and we will face the same thing soon. 

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Re: Euro Falls As Greece Bailout Fails
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2010, 11:01:22 AM »
Germany is pricing people of out their market for goods.  I just gave up my BMW lease and was looking to re-lease or buy a X5.  The prices since the three years I released my old car have gone nuts. 

So now, I am looking at either Honda Pilot, Ridgeline, or Toyota 4 Runner. 

I figure I can work a good deal with all the bad press they have. 

As for Greece - its game over one way or the other and we will face the same thing soon. 

Is it Germany pricing things out or the populations pocket or are you starting to see the real devaluation of the dollar? With america printing money like there is no end, the dollar will have the same value as Monopoly money soon. In the meantime the cost of everything imported will skyrocket in america.. Yeah you better take advantage of the Japanese issues with their cars soon...I understand that the problem with the brakes can be fixed in under thirty minutes, so ya better hurry and strike up a deal before the cars reputations return to normal.
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Re: Euro Falls As Greece Bailout Fails
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2010, 11:04:16 AM »
Is it Germany pricing things out or the populations pocket or are you starting to see the real devaluation of the dollar? With america printing money like there is no end, the dollar will have the same value as Monopoly money soon. In the meantime the cost of everything imported will skyrocket in america.. Yeah you better take advantage of the Japanese issues with their cars soon...I understand that the problem with the brakes can be fixed in under thirty minutes, so ya better hurry and strike up a deal before the cars reputations return to normal.

American cars are not cheap erither!  I looked at a Ford Escape and Jeep Wrangle 4 Door.  Those are over 30k too when you get anything but the bare bones model. 

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Re: Euro Falls As Greece Bailout Fails
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2010, 12:09:33 PM »
bailout one an the rest will come running with their hands out. Germany must be paying close attention to whats happening in the good ol US "free market" of bailing out failures and took notes.

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Re: Euro Falls As Greece Bailout Fails
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2010, 05:16:59 PM »
bailout one an the rest will come running with their hands out. Germany must be paying close attention to whats happening in the good ol US "free market" of bailing out failures and took notes.

Germany would show itself VERY WISE to NOT follow in the footsteps of america. This whole world wide collapse is the fault of america as it is... Greece's entire economy I believe rests on tourism of which hs been drastically effected. Unless it can somehow come up with a alternate means of financial survival it will suffer a great economic blow....
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Re: Euro Falls As Greece Bailout Fails
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2010, 08:40:04 PM »
Germany is pricing people of out their market for goods.  I just gave up my BMW lease and was looking to re-lease or buy a X5.  The prices since the three years I released my old car have gone nuts. 

So now, I am looking at either Honda Pilot, Ridgeline, or Toyota 4 Runner. 

I figure I can work a good deal with all the bad press they have. 

As for Greece - its game over one way or the other and we will face the same thing soon. 

The only reason you can no longer afford the BMW is because the dollar (the currency your non-index-linked salary is paid in) has been subject to a long-term devaluation trend against the euro.

The only reason you can afford the Toyota is because of the PR actions they must take to rectify the effect of the recall on consumer confidence.


So, the BMW isn't getting any more expensive (they've actually gotten cheaper)... but your dollar has weakened by an even larger fraction.

The Toyota likewise hasn't gotten any dearer (they've also gotten cheaper)... but the Japs are doing you a solid to compesate for some bad PR.


No one is "pricing people of out their market for goods" as you put it... you just don't really understand economics.

Americans have simply voted away their own purchasing power... and I don't mean by voting for Obama.


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Re: Euro Falls As Greece Bailout Fails
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2010, 09:26:50 PM »
The only reason you can no longer afford the BMW is because the dollar (the currency your non-index-linked salary is paid in) has been subject to a long-term devaluation trend against the euro.

The only reason you can afford the Toyota is because of the PR actions they must take to rectify the effect of the recall on consumer confidence.


So, the BMW isn't getting any more expensive (they've actually gotten cheaper)... but your dollar has weakened by an even larger fraction.

The Toyota likewise hasn't gotten any dearer (they've also gotten cheaper)... but the Japs are doing you a solid to compesate for some bad PR.


No one is "pricing people of out their market for goods" as you put it... you just don't really understand economics.

Americans have simply voted away their own purchasing power... and I don't mean by voting for Obama.


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I think 333 is aware of the dollar's loss in value. Maybe he just got caught up in the shock of BMW's cars becoming more expensive and being frustrated with BMW.

I have fallen into the same trap. I was looking for a Ford Escape 6 months ago and could not believe how Ford was jacking up the prices. Their 2011 Mustang GT will be going for over $30,000 when a few years ago it was $22,000 - $24,000. Granted it will have 400 hp which is a big step up from the earlier GT's. I was getting pissed at Ford for raising the prices yet the real culprit was the dollar and I knew it.

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Re: Euro Falls As Greece Bailout Fails
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2010, 05:26:55 AM »
The only reason you can no longer afford the BMW is because the dollar (the currency your non-index-linked salary is paid in) has been subject to a long-term devaluation trend against the euro.

The only reason you can afford the Toyota is because of the PR actions they must take to rectify the effect of the recall on consumer confidence.


So, the BMW isn't getting any more expensive (they've actually gotten cheaper)... but your dollar has weakened by an even larger fraction.

The Toyota likewise hasn't gotten any dearer (they've also gotten cheaper)... but the Japs are doing you a solid to compesate for some bad PR.


No one is "pricing people of out their market for goods" as you put it... you just don't really understand economics.

Americans have simply voted away their own purchasing power... and I don't mean by voting for Obama.


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Yeah that never dawned on me untl you pointed it out to me.   ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)

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Re: Euro Falls As Greece Bailout Fails
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2010, 05:29:36 AM »
I think 333 is aware of the dollar's loss in value. Maybe he just got caught up in the shock of BMW's cars becoming more expensive and being frustrated with BMW.

I have fallen into the same trap. I was looking for a Ford Escape 6 months ago and could not believe how Ford was jacking up the prices. Their 2011 Mustang GT will be going for over $30,000 when a few years ago it was $22,000 - $24,000. Granted it will have 400 hp which is a big step up from the earlier GT's. I was getting pissed at Ford for raising the prices yet the real culprit was the dollar and I knew it.

I wanted to get an Escape too figuring it would be cheaper than foreign makes.  When you add some extras, you are right up there with many of the others. 

BWM also is not offering the attractive leases they used to so for me I am gong to drive my 2002 explorer for awhile until I can work a deal on a certified  Toureg or X5.   

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Re: Euro Falls As Greece Bailout Fails
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2010, 05:47:47 AM »
Yeah that never dawned on me untl you pointed it out to me.   ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)

...then why did you claim the Germans were pricing themselves out of the American market, when you concede they haven't changed their prices at all?



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Re: Euro Falls As Greece Bailout Fails
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2010, 05:59:12 AM »
...then why did you claim the Germans were pricing themselves out of the American market, when you concede they haven't changed their prices at all?



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I should have rephrased it.  I guess you dont realize just how much less your dollar is worth until you go looking at hgh priced items like cars.  Last car I had I got a great lease on a 328I and had to turn it in this past week. 

I am car shopping right now and doing a comparison, I just see the BMW's charging a lot more relative to competitotrs.  Dont get me wrong, I like the BMW's and have owned 2 previously.  They are great cars no doubt.  However, I am looking at a SUV nd wanted an X5 - BASE BARE BONES MODEL $48,500.00 K which includes the delivery, bank fees, etc.  The X3 to me is outdated for the price. 

I then went to VW and get get a jacked up Toureg w everything for about 44k.

So, I went to look at the American cars, and am not impressed even if a little cheaper.  The Escape ?  30k for that?

The EDGE?  Way overpriced. 

I looked at the Toyotas and like the new 4 Runner of the FJ Cruiser.  I'm not worried about the bs in the news. 

I like the Hondas too. 

I probably will just look for cert. pre-owned unless a good lease deal comes up.