STOP GOV BILL TO CONTROL SUPPLEMENTS

[kiwiol]

Gov regulates water, air, food labeling, etc, so whynot supplements?

It's 2 different things. The government monitors the quality / standard of water to ensure it's safe for consumption, just like it (tries to) makes sure that a food product really has the ingredients it's label says it has. Nothing wrong with that. But going from that to saying the government will now decide whether you can consume Vitamin C or Fish oil and if so, in what dosage and under what conditions is another thing altogether.

In regards to your other point, it's not just a brand name I was referring to. I was talking about the generic supplement. For example, there was a big deal made about Pyruvate back in the mid 90s, where a lot of magazines were talking about it. But after it failed to meet the expectations among just about every user, it went obsolete less than a couple of years later. It didn't / doesn't matter whether it's Pyruvate manufactured by MuscleTech or some unknown company in Bulgaria.

the problem is that we don't have a free market.  big businesses, and the supplement industry is certainly a big business, gets to spend millions of dollars to get their way, both by political contributions and by mass marketing.  look at bodybuilding mags:  300 pages on how great the latest supplement is.  where are the ads or articles showing how the products are snake oil?

and of course there is astro-turfing, fake grass roots organizations made to look like averaged concerned citizens, that are really paid industry spokesmen.   sound familiar 10 post newbie JustNews ?

I see what you're saying and I wasn't talking about the US government specifically. It's the same in all western countries.

You have a point about the ads in the magazines, but that's the old guard, which won't have much impact a few years from now (it's already gone down considerably with the growth of the internet). People now have access to more information and opinions thanks to the internet, where a lot of things come to light. Weed through all the garbage you see online and you can get to the bottom of a lot of issues.

We just have to give it some time. Companies can bombard the populace with ads in every kind of media outlet, but if it's a product that just doesn't work, it's going to become a public fact sooner or later. It could be due to a forum like Getbig or Facebook or something else, but it will happen.

[3Dkiller]

let them forbid Acesulfame,aspertame,sucralose,monosodium glutamate first !

[Mr Nobody]

All kale greens

[Red Hook]

what is so hard to comprehend about this? A food or drug company should have to prove that their product does what they claim it does.  Simple and to the point.

basically the only marketing that you need to see on a tub on protein is "100%whey"..nothing else

no more of this ultra nano technology crap

[MCWAY]

Not really. It means if you want a vitamin C, potassium or magnesium pill, you will have to go to the doctor to get a prescription for it and pay 10x what you do now.

It means you trust the government and medical doctors (who often do not have a nutritional background) to make your decisions for you.

This is about Freedom of Choice. Why give yours to a bunch of politicians who are only concerned about lining their pockets and controlling the public.

EXACTLY!! According to MuscleMag, L-Carnitine has to be bought with a prescription in the Great White North. That's ridiculous!!!

You can get that in the USA for $5 and change.

[Eyeball Chambers]

I personally think every drug or substance should be legalized and that anyone should be allowed to eat, inject, imbibe whatever they want in the privacy of their own home.  Hope this helps.

Good man!

[JustNews]

Are prescriptions for everything really the safest solution? If you go to a doctor, he won't prescribe you a natural herbal supplement over a drug (for which he gets a kickback from the pharmaceutical company).

USA Today stated: "Prescriptions now biggest cause of fatal drug overdoses"

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-09-30-drug-overdose_N.htm

http://www.naturalnews.com/001543.html
Hospital warning: medical errors kill 195,000 Americans each year, says new study
"Prescription drugs alone kill 100,000 people a year...hospital errors kill another 195,000 people each year...this makes almost 350,000 people each year who are killed by modern medicine. And that's all according to statistics compiled by the medical establishment!"  
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Illegal drugs are more dangerous than supplements coming from reputable companies, but they still kill less people than prescription drugs do.

http://www.truthout.org/111208HA

Prescription Drugs Kill 300 Percent More Americans Than Illegal Drugs

by: David Gutierrez

"An analysis of 168,900 autopsies conducted in Florida in 2007 found that three times as many people were killed by legal drugs as by cocaine, heroin and all methamphetamines put together."

It boils down to freedom of choice. People who are afraid to make decisions for themselves may feel comforted having government officials decide everything for them. I am not one of them.

[Spoony Luv]

I personally think every drug or substance should be legalized and that anyone should be allowed to eat, inject, imbibe whatever they want in the privacy of their own home.  Hope this helps.

I agree 100%. However, I would add that it shouldn't be the wild wild west either. I think that whoever is producing something for sale should be obligated to list EXACTLY what the product is/and what ingredients are in it.

[MCWAY]

what is so hard to comprehend about this? A food or drug company should have to prove that their product does what they claim it does.  Simple and to the point.

basically the only marketing that you need to see on a tub on protein is "100%whey"..nothing else

no more of this ultra nano technology crap

You do that and you'll have a supplement company that will likely be out of business, sooner than later.

Read what the claims actually says and basically the problem is solved.

Besides, if there's one rule the government actually got right, it's the rule about selling expired supplements (hence, the reason I get certain supplements dirt-cheap, i.e. the 20-pk body of Lean Body MRPs for $3).

[JustNews]

the problem is that we don't have a free market.  big businesses, and the supplement industry is certainly a big business, gets to spend millions of dollars to get their way, both by political contributions and by mass marketing.  look at bodybuilding mags:  300 pages on how great the latest supplement is.  where are the ads or articles showing how the products are snake oil?

and of course there is astro-turfing, fake grass roots organizations made to look like averaged concerned citizens, really just paid industry spokesmen.   sound familiar 10 post newbie JustNews ?

If you're against "big business," then why are you for big government? Is government not a business? There is more corruption and under the table deals made in politics than in any other business out there. This bill means more gov. control.

I'm no "newbie," Tim. I've read your posts and everyone else's for years. You're an older homosexual photographer who enjoys oogling men's bodies and sharing your fantasies on here while hosting a website that is comprised of thousands of men's bodybuilding/modeling photos--most of which would not even exist if this bill were in effect today because they came courtesy of the very supplement companies you call "snake oil" that made many of the careers of these men and their participation in this sport possible. You piss people off here on occassion because you bite the hand that feeds the men who make your fantasies possible...it's like going to the party having the time of your life while farting on the host and complaining about the food.

Not all supplements are bad. People should be able to buy them freely without bureaucratic red tape and medically unqualified people making every decision standing in the way. Do you really trust that a pea brained government worker has better knowledge of your body and what you need better than you do?

I don't have anything against you, Tim. Sometimes you are right. Sometimes you are not. I don't agree with you regarding this because I've seen situations where government corruption and control does not benefit the people. Anytime freedom of choice is taken away, the end result overall isn't good. Once they pass this bill, they can change/ammend it to include any and all supplements. And no one can do anything about it.

Shutting down supplement companies with the excuse that they're trying to "regulate the bad ones"...is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[jtsunami]

the whole you can't get everything you need from food is complete bs spewed out by the supplement companies.  Our bodies were made so we can digest food and get all nutrients we need from what we eat each day. 

I say good, let many teenagers spend their money on other things instead of getting scammed.

[Red Hook]

You do that and you'll have a supplement company that will likely be out of business, sooner than later.

Read what the claims actually says and basically the problem is solved.

Besides, if there's one rule the government actually got right, it's the rule about selling expired supplements (hence, the reason I get certain supplements dirt-cheap, i.e. the 20-pk body of Lean Body MRPs for $3).

to me that is a good thing..these guys are selling  "nano vapor nuclear prism interlaced with ozone triple strength supplements", I mean come on..


selling snake oil labeled as supplements should be illegal.

[JustNews]

Good WOman!

Fixed.
T.A. has more estrogen than all the figure competitors combined. If you had read his posts at the beginning of this thread, you would see he is backpeddalling/contradicted what he had previously said by supporting the very bill that takes away the freedom to "personally think every drug or substance should be legalized and that anyone should be allowed to eat, inject, imbibe whatever they want in the privacy of their own home." calling others who were against it "morons." Dumb stuff.

T.A. is an incredibly naive pseudo-intellectual who is especially entertaining when sucking up/kissing ass to Ron/people on this forum he perceives are popular and influential for his GetBig career. He's a resevoir of contradictions and hypocrisies. His nutritional advice is 62% accurate, racist comments on other boards are noted by others here, yet interestingly his public relations for himself advertise if he could crawl up Obama's ass and camp out there...he'd be one happy camper. TOOL.