"Bulking" and "Cutting"Have No Role in a Natural Bodybuilder's Program

[HugeRipped]

The concept of bulking, or eating at a major caloric excess, became popular with the introduction of insulin hGH and IGF-1, in the 1980s, to shuttle a massive of additional nutrients to an already anabolic steroid enhanced body. 16-20 week "cutting" diets became popular at the same time as a direct result of huge, excessive calorie diets. Eating at a caloric deficit for 16-20 weeks will demolish a huge amount of lean muscle mass unless one is on large doses of insulin, anabolic steroids, growth hormone and growth factor to maintain lean mass and DNP, clenbuterol and ephedrine HCL to burn fat. Natural bodybuilders do not have the assistance of anabolic drugs to shuttle superhuman levels of nutrients into their body without excess lipid storage. The concept of "bulking" has, thus, no role in a natural bodybuilder's diet, because adding excess calories to their diet will not induce extra muscle gains - it will only induce extra fat storage. Since, bulking is out of the question for natural bodybuilders, the idea of "cutting" (eating a major caloric deficit to burn fat) does not make sense. A natural bodybuilder can always stay at a low bodyfat by eating a disciplined high protein diet without overdoing the calories or macronutrients. There is a role for a contest prep diet for the natural competitor, but it should not last longer than 10-12 weeks MAXIMUM. If a natural needs to diet for 16-20+ weeks to get in shape for a contest, they have gained too much fat in their offseason and are just wasting time. One can naturally gain muscle mass and comfortably walk around 10 weeks out from contest condition at all times.

[MadeYaMelt]

Still haven't found a young boy to "mentor" yet with your epic knowledge?  Hard to imagine they wouldn't want you helping them with contest prep..   

[Wiggs]

Almost everything you said is true.  BUT a natural bodybuilder doesn't have to lose alot or ANY lean muscle to get in contest shape.  As long as the protein intake is high enough and he or she is not trying to lose to much too soon, i.e. 5-6 lbs a week.  You don't have to lose a single lb of muscle.  for naturals, losing 1-2lbs of fat per week is ideal and no muscle has to be lost.

[MadeYaMelt]

Almost everything you said is true.  BUT a natural bodybuilder doesn't have to lose alot or ANY lean muscle to get in contest shape.  As long as the protein intake is high enough and he or she is not trying to lose to much too soon, i.e. 5-6 lbs a week.  You don't have to lose a single lb of muscle.  for naturals, losing 1-2lbs of fat per week is ideal and no muscle has to be lost.

The schmoe didn't "say" anything.  He used his skinnyfat fingers to copy/paste from a website. 

[HugeRipped]

Almost everything you said is true.  BUT a natural bodybuilder doesn't have to lose alot or ANY lean muscle to get in contest shape.  As long as the protein intake is high enough and he or she is not trying to lose to much too soon, i.e. 5-6 lbs a week.  You don't have to lose a single lb of muscle.  for naturals, losing 1-2lbs of fat per week is ideal and no muscle has to be lost.

Clearly you have an altruistic view of human physiology, most likely induced by simple ignorance of endocrinological physiology as it relates to exercise science. To be as concise as possible: extended periods of caloric deficits (i.e. 16-20+ week diets) - and in particular extended carbohydrate restrictions which are common in natural bodybuilding diets - cause the body to consume its own muscle as fuel. Fat deposits are not the body's preferred form of sustained energy, especially during extended caloric deficits. Increased intake of protein does not compensate for lengthy periods of low caloric intake since the body's protein synthesis abilities remain baseline.

[HugeRipped]

The schmoe didn't "say" anything.  He used his skinnyfat fingers to copy/paste from a website. 

Feel free to search on www.google.com anything I have posted in any of my threads here. Everything I have relayed to this forum is an extension of my 6 years of education studying Exercise Science and my experience as a Certified Personal Trainer.

[Wiggs]

Clearly you have an altruistic view of human physiology, most likely induced by simple ignorance of endocrinological physiology as it relates to exercise science. To be as concise as possible: extended periods of caloric deficits (i.e. 16-20+ week diets) - and in particular extended carbohydrate restrictions which are common in natural bodybuilding diets - cause the body to consume its own muscle as fuel. Fat deposits are not the body's preferred form of sustained energy, especially during extended caloric deficits. Increased intake of protein does not compensate for lengthy periods of low caloric intake since the body's protein synthesis abilities remain baseline.

Listen up....If you eat enough protein to sustain current lean muscle and lower your carbohydrate and saturate fat intake, you WILL lose fat.  You don't even have to be on low carbs.  Depending on what your definition of low carbs is...The body only consumes it's own muscle for fuel, when it doesn't have enough carbs, fats then protein...It's all balanced out, no muscle has to be lost.

It's the people that try and lose 5-10 lbs a week that lose alot of muscle.

[MadeYaMelt]

Feel free to search on www.google.com anything I have posted in any of my threads here. Everything I have relayed to this forum is an extension of my 6 years of education studying Exercise Science and my experience as a Certified Personal Trainer.

Is that why you could never find time to work out? 

[haider]

Clearly you have an altruistic view of human physiology

what the fuck does that even mean?

[~UN_$ung~]

what your saying is incorrect...........

although exogenously administered peptides and hormones most certainly change ones metabolism and physiological profile

the principles of anabolism and catabolism remain the same

if you want to be healthy and fit, with good muscle tone.....you do not need to eat a bulking-type diet

but, if you are a "natural" who desires to put on physcial muscle mass.........one needs to be in a caloric surplus (this does not mean yo have to get sloppy fat)

liken a person taking steroids to putting a supercharger on a car......the car is able to perform better due to the increased amount of air being shuttled in to the engine..............but the same principles that made the car work in the first place still apply.....

[HugeRipped]

what your saying in incorrect...........

although exogenously administered peptides and hormones most certainly change ones metabolism and physiological profile

the principles of anabolism and catabolism remain the same

if you want to be healthy and fit, with good muscle tone.....you do not need to eat a bulking-type diet

but, if you are a "natural" who desires to put on physcial muscle mass.........one needs to be in a caloric surplus (this does not mean yo have to get sloppy fat)

liken a person taking steroids to putting a supercharger on a car......the car is able to perform better due to the increased amount of air being shuttled in to the engine..............but the same principles that made the car work in the first place still apply.....

I'm sorry but you clearly have no idea how the endocrine system effects one's physiology and athletic performance. Exponentially increased levels of serum testosterone and synthetic male hormones created for cattle combined with growth hormone, growth factor and insulin radically changes how the human body synthesizes and utilizes macronutrients and overall calories. The fabled concept of a "caloric surplus to gain muscle mass" was created by people that had a supraphysiological endocrine system induced by exogenous hormones. To put it in simple terms that you can understand, protein builds muscles while caloric intake sustains everyday activity; a caloric surplus with large amounts of protein, carbohydrates and fats can only work to accelerate anabolism when one is using a cocktail of performance enhancers. As a natural bodybuilder, it is pivotal to stay within 7-10 percent bodyfat at all times since extended periods of caloric deficit compromise muscle mass of non-enhanced athletes.

[SF1900]

I'm sorry but you clearly have no idea how the endocrine system effects one's physiology and athletic performance. Exponentially increased levels of serum testosterone and synthetic male hormones created for cattle combined with growth hormone, growth factor and insulin radically changes how the human body synthesizes and utilizes macronutrients and overall calories. The fabled concept of a "caloric surplus to gain muscle mass" was created by people that had a supraphysiological endocrine system induced by exogenous hormones. To put it in simple terms that you can understand, protein builds muscles while caloric intake sustains everyday activity; a caloric surplus with large amounts of protein, carbohydrates and fats can only work to accelerate anabolism when one is using a cocktail of performance enhancers. As a natural bodybuilder, it is pivotal to stay within 7-10 percent bodyfat at all times since extended periods of caloric deficit compromise muscle mass of non-enhanced athletes.

Is this knowledge from your 6 years of experience?

[HugeRipped]

Is this knowledge from your 6 years of experience?

Yes. I attended one of the top most academically rigorous colleges in the country where I double majored in Exercise Science and Biology. I then attended one of the best post graduate programs for Exercise Science, which is where I earned my Master's. Throughout my entire time in college and post-graduate education, I worked as a Certified Personal Trainer. I hold 2 nationally recognized Personal Training certifications.

[cauthon]

Feel free to search on www.google.com anything I have posted in any of my threads here. Everything I have relayed to this forum is an extension of my 6 years of education studying Exercise Science and my experience as a Certified Personal Trainer.

Hahah this guy is a pretty good gimmick.

[MadeYaMelt]

Yes. I attended one of the top most academically rigorous colleges in the country where I double majored in Exercise Science and Biology. I then attended one of the best post graduate programs for Exercise Science, which is where I earned my Master's. Throughout my entire time in college and post-graduate education, I worked as a Certified Personal Trainer. I hold 2 nationally recognized Personal Training certifications.

What else did you "major" in, you filthy schmoe? 

[cauthon]

Yes. I attended one of the top most academically rigorous colleges in the country where I double majored in Exercise Science and Biology. I then attended one of the best post graduate programs for Exercise Science, which is where I earned my Master's. Throughout my entire time in college and post-graduate education, I worked as a Certified Personal Trainer. I hold 2 nationally recognized Personal Training certifications.

Which country? Mexico?

[~UN_$ung~]

I'm sorry but you clearly have no idea how the endocrine system effects one's physiology and athletic performance. Exponentially increased levels of serum testosterone and synthetic male hormones created for cattle combined with growth hormone, growth factor and insulin radically changes how the human body synthesizes and utilizes macronutrients and overall calories. The fabled concept of a "caloric surplus to gain muscle mass" was created by people that had a supraphysiological endocrine system induced by exogenous hormones. To put it in simple terms that you can understand, protein builds muscles while caloric intake sustains everyday activity; a caloric surplus with large amounts of protein, carbohydrates and fats can only work to accelerate anabolism when one is using a cocktail of performance enhancers. As a natural bodybuilder, it is pivotal to stay within 7-10 percent bodyfat at all times since extended periods of caloric deficit compromise muscle mass of non-enhanced athletes.

i appreciate you putting things in terms "i can understand"

you seem to be of the opinion that protein (as a macronutrient) and the other two macros, are mutually exclusive.......not true

each macro had its own properties and functions, but more then you would like to believe "a calorie is a calorie"

prisoners build muscle all the time on diets that are purposefully low in protein



i will just reitereate my previous point, because it was the correct one

chemically enhanced or not.....the same principles apply regarding fat loss and muscle aquisition

just the way it is..............although your a gimmick...........i would not be suprised one bit if your body wasnt at all better then that mess in your avatar

keep telling your self one does not need to "eat to grow"  ........a real natural bodybuilder woudl laugh in your face

[EL Mariachi]

the gimicks are out of control lately

[HugeRipped]

What else did you "major" in, you filthy schmoe? 

I fail to understand your obsession with relating homosexuality to my posts which are entirely in reference to facts about human physiology. While I do not necessarily subscribe to the Freudian psychological doctrine (personally, I believe the human condition can be best understood through classical Skinnerian ideology combined with the principles of Humanistim as well as Rollo May's existential psychological values), I think that, perhaps, your fixation on same-gender sexual orientations reflects a subconscious obsession self-actualizing through your responses.

[ShipSekki]

 What website are you copy and pasting all these bodybuilding posts from?

[SF1900]

Yes. I attended one of the top most academically rigorous colleges in the country where I double majored in Exercise Science and Biology. I then attended one of the best post graduate programs for Exercise Science, which is where I earned my Master's. Throughout my entire time in college and post-graduate education, I worked as a Certified Personal Trainer. I hold 2 nationally recognized Personal Training certifications.

What 2 colleges/universities did you attend?

[HugeRipped]

i appreciate you putting things in terms "i can understand"

you seem to be of the opinion that protein (as a macronutrient) and the other two macros, are mutually exclusive.......not true

each macro had its own properties and functions, but more then you would like to believe "a calorie is a calorie"

prisoners build muscle all the time on diets that are purposefully low in protein



i will just reitereate my previous point, because it was the correct one

chemically enhanced or not.....the same principles apply regarding fat loss and muscle aquisition

just the way it is..............although your a gimmick...........i would not be suprised one bit if your body wasnt at all better then that mess in your avatar

keep telling your self one does not need to "eat to grow"  ........a real natural bodybuilder woudl laugh in your face

I would like to engage in an intellectual discussion with you because I find it fascinating how opinionated one can be while simultaneously existing in a state of complete ignorance to the topic at hand, however, your post is riddled with contradictions and logical flaws that only provide further emphasis as to your feeble grasp on the inner workings of the human body. Once you hate attended a university of higher education, I wholeheartedly believe that you will be able to provide a cogent argument to your unfounded thesis (the innate irony, however, is that upon recieving an actual education you will realize your opinion is flawed and succumb to the actual proven facts that I have stated).

[io856]

HugeRipped hasn't really said anything that was outlandish. In fact the majority of his posts can be supported with peer-reviewed literature and common sense.

I wonder why the getbig collective has lampooned this person with insults?

[~UN_$ung~]

I would like to engage in an intellectual discussion with you because I find it fascinating how opinionated one can be while simultaneously existing in a state of complete ignorance to the topic at hand, however, your post is riddled with contradictions and logical flaws that only provide further emphasis as to your feeble grasp on the inner workings of the human body. Once you hate attended a university of higher education, I wholeheartedly believe that you will be able to provide a cogent argument to your unfounded thesis (the innate irony, however, is that upon recieving an actual education you will realize your opinion is flawed and succumb to the actual proven facts that I have stated).

this is the last time i will go back and forth with you......whether your purposfully trying to draw peoples ire because that is your gimmick, or whatever

the fact remains you are 100% incorrect  here......just like you  were 100% wrong in your anti-estrogen thread


.....your a joke

[HugeRipped]

this is the last time i will go back and forth with you......whether your purposfully trying to draw peoples ire because that is your gimmick, or whatever

the fact remains you are 100% incorrect  here......just like you  were 100% wrong in your anti-estrogen thread


.....your a joke

I think you are misinterpreting the discussions that we are having. I am merely trying to educate you on human physiological facts that you seem to be ignorant to, most likely as a result of simple lack of education on the topic. I realize that you want to engage in this topic and try your hand at acting as though you are an expert of some sort, but your inability to create a cogent argument and your obvious confusion on the topic at hand - as displayed by the constant logical blackholes and contradictions - exposes your knowledge (or lack thereof). My goal is not to alienate nor to shame you, I have dedicated 6 years of my life to a higher learning, earning degrees in the subjects on which I discuss here, I do not presume that others necessarily share my interest. I merely encourage you to take some time to read my posts and if you doubt me, read some peer reviewed studies that back up what I am saying, you could actually learn enough to posititively impact your own bodybuilding training.