Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge

[Jezebelle]

Yeah, I know how the govt. works, that doesn't mean I need to pigeonhole my beliefs into a certain politician or party.

Then I take it you don`t vote.

[JohnC1908]

Then I take it you don`t vote.

I wrote in RP in 08...so kinda. However, that is a candidate I'm choosing. It doesn't mean I share the same beliefs as them. You are talking about the way the govt. works (steals), that's fine. However, my beliefs are my own and sure as hell aren't being represented in Washington. My congressman is Ander Crenshaw, I have never voted for the man or any of his opponents...I'm not voting for thieves.

[Dos Equis]

I do not know the main reason per se. I know for sure that most of the anti-Bush commentary on the left was so bland, so lame it posed no real threat. The only one calling Bush out, in mainstream media mind you, was Keith Olbermann. On the other hand you had the usual suspects, O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh yelling out the top of their lungs focusing all legitimate public discontent (i.e. high taxes, lower paying jobs, longer working hours, too many layers of government, the government lying to everyone by re-invading a country that had nothing to do with a terrorist attack, Guantánamo, et cetera) on those institutions controlled by the democrats. And the public didn't buy it. Obama won.

Now, the key word here is (widespread) discontent, on both sides of the spectrum. MSNC and all other "leftist media" (I put it into quotes because there's no such a thing, it's a fallacy; the day I see a TV show talking about worker's rights and conditions as much as they tout CEO's lavish lifestyles or the benefits of becoming a currency hoarder will be the day I'll believe it) surely do not represent the core left. I mean, they do hit it right on the head by presenting themselves as the polar opposite of Bush during the later's years of terror, but that's it. Once you only have two options you're fucked. Your discontent is still there.  

That's why I laugh at all these Tea Party nutcases, because they stand no chance. Until people realise they have to educate themselves and formulate their OWN opinions they will always fall prey of the mainstream media mermaid melodies, with their two-second solutions to pretty much every conceivable problem, their cool, calm and collected nothing's-wrong attitude and their outright refusal to investigate and present the truth.

Thus, it is not a problem of political options, it's a problem of IQ. It's a very powerful thing you know. You've got this immense mass of "lost" human beings just waiting to be "led". All it takes is one loud voice they can trust. Too bad politicians don't do it anymore, TV personalities do.

Too bad it's the precursor to fascism too.

Interesting years ahead for this nation.

Sort of hard to reconcile this with your prior comments (below).  Fox News and its commentators have been leading the ratings during "good" times and bad, regardless of the party in the White House or majorities in Congress.  Isn't it possible they're just better at presenting the news and people like their opinion shows more than others?   

Gotta love this country.

One side wins and immediately people start watching the TV shows that critizice the government.

They're going to polarize people to the point that one of these right-wing militia nutcases is going to carry out a terrorist attack... God forbid though.

It's going to be interesting hearing their excuses when the fingers start pointing in Beck's and O'Reilly's direction...

[BM OUT]

FOX and MSN are BOTH political propaganda.  Anyone who can't see that, or believes one is and the other isn't... is eitehr blind or stupid.  They do the exact same things for the left and the right.

Unfortunately for america, msnbc has been more effective in the last 3 years with making the right look bad and the left look good.  FOX has been working jsut as hard and has a bigger audience... but obama won the election over a better canddiate, and he has passed his first 2 major changes.

One of the dumbest posts ever.MSNBC has been effective?Really?NO ONE watches it!!!The cartoon network smokes them every night.Its like saying New Orleans is the most effective city because the Saints won the super bowl.Just the most absurd though pattern ever.MSNBC makes the left look bad with idiot liars like Mathews ,Maddow and Olberman.NO ONE WATCHES IT!!!No matter what they say,no one hears or sees it.

[240 is Back]

Believe what you want, BILLY.

If FOX was more effective, Obama might not be shoving crap sandwiches down our throats.  BELIEVE ME - if healthcare and stim bill had been defeated, you'd surely be giving FOX credit for it

[BM OUT]

Believe what you want, BILLY.

If FOX was more effective, Obama might not be shoving crap sandwiches down our throats.  BELIEVE ME - if healthcare and stim bill had been defeated, you'd surely be giving FOX credit for it

You get pissed off when people call you a moron but here is a good example of you being a moron.A fillabuster proof senate and super majority in the house and you think if FOX was more effective they could have stopped it?Or you think MSNBC pushed it through?I mean thats as stupid as anything Ive ever read here.NO ONE COULD HAVE STOPPED IT!!!THE VOTES WERENT THERE!!!!However,we see that Hussein Obama has given about three or four speeches since healthcare passed and the country HATES it.Despite MSNBC pumping it every night,the country hates it.No one in the country thinks the stimulus bill has created a\any JOBS EITHER WHICH IS WHY THE REPUBLICANS LEAD IN THE GENERIC POLLS NOW.

You are starting to sound like that pasty faced girl Bill Maher.

[Skip8282]

Believe what you want, BILLY.

If FOX was more effective, Obama might not be shoving crap sandwiches down our throats.  BELIEVE ME - if healthcare and stim bill had been defeated, you'd surely be giving FOX credit for it

Yeah, because Fox is anti-Obama... 

Give it a rest already.  Fox is just the better network.

[Soul Crusher]

Yeah, because Fox is anti-Obama... 

Give it a rest already.  Fox is just the better network.

240 is really going off the deep end lately with the kneepadding. 

[beefcakeblake]

Anybody have a problem with the cut and paste warrior passing of passages of Mein Kampf, as his/her own.

240 u see whats in front of u and no further. Obama got his bill past by threats and bribes. He doomed many dems to defeat in Nov. He got a very unpopular bill passed. He's fucked the country...u see a hand out.

All I can say about everybody on this thread is that you all idiots.

Up here in canada we wouldn't give up healthcare for anything, I would fight for my life to keep universal  healthcare available to everyone in my country.
It makes for a better nation, your society is pretty fucked, and most canadians mostly just laugh at you.

[Tre]

Sort of hard to reconcile this with your prior comments (below).  Fox News and its commentators have been leading the ratings during "good" times and bad, regardless of the party in the White House or majorities in Congress.  Isn't it possible they're just better at presenting the news and people like their opinion shows more than others?   

It's more likely that all the major news outlets suck and that they all contribute to the collective stupidity in the U.S.

Now you know.

[BM OUT]

All I can say about everybody on this thread is that you all idiots.

Up here in canada we wouldn't give up healthcare for anything, I would fight for my life to keep universal  healthcare available to everyone in my country.
It makes for a better nation, your society is pretty fucked, and most canadians mostly just laugh at you.

Thats why your leaders come here to get health care.

[Soul Crusher]

Thats why your leaders come here to get health care.

That's why they are now having to add a co-pay on top of everything in certain parts because its broke. 

[Hugo Chavez]

Thats why your leaders come here to get health care.

not defending the canadians but since when should we give a flying shit what the leaders of a nation do in relation to what the people want?  The history of them doing flaky bizzaro shit contrary to what the people do/want is epic.

[BM OUT]

not defending the canadians but since when should we give a flying shit what the leaders of a nation do in relation to what the people want?  The history of them doing flaky bizzaro shit contrary to what the people do/want is epic.

It just shows that even the leaders know their system sucks!!!

[Hugo Chavez]

It just shows that even the leaders know their system sucks!!!

so you disagree with my statement?  Since when should we or any others give a shit about what the elite ruling class is doing?  Do you really think it proves a point for the rest of us?  oh the coultless times it has not certainly stacks up againt the rare occation you can provide otherwise.

[BM OUT]

so you disagree with my statement?  Since when should we or any others give a shit about what the elite ruling class is doing?  Do you really think it proves a point for the rest of us?  oh the coultless times it has not certainly stacks up againt the rare occation you can provide otherwise.

Yes I disagree.The very fact that Obama and the dems exempted themselves out of Obama care proves to me they know it sucks and so they stick us with it and exempt themselves from it.

[Hugo Chavez]

Yes I disagree.The very fact that Obama and the dems exempted themselves out of Obama care proves to me they know it sucks and so they stick us with it and exempt themselves from it.

no, actually you're proving my point.  You're just picking and chosing what elite douche serves your point.  I'll ask again, since when should the people look to what a fucking politician does as example for what is good for the people or what the people want?  Even conservatives don't do that and yet here you are.

[BM OUT]

no, actually you're proving my point.  You're just picking and chosing what elite douche serves your point.  I'll ask again, since when should the people look to what a fucking politician does as example for what is good for the people or what the people want?  Even conservatives don't do that and yet here you are.

What are you talking about?Politicians have great insight into whats coming down the line.Why do you think they are rich?They think the new health care bill sucks,we know this because they opt out.They know where to put their money to avoid taxes,like Charlie Rengel,they know how their legislation will effect the economy and get rich off it,like Al Gore.We should always look to them for whats best for us,because they are the kings of beating the very system they create.

[dario73]

All I can say about everybody on this thread is that you all idiots.

Up here in canada we wouldn't give up healthcare for anything, I would fight for my life to keep universal  healthcare available to everyone in my country.
It makes for a better nation, your society is pretty fucked, and most canadians mostly just laugh at you.

You would be the first on a plane to the USA to get medical treatment. Why? Because your healthcare system has made the quality of your care worse. 

[Tre]

All I can say about everybody on this thread is that you all idiots.

Up here in canada we wouldn't give up healthcare for anything, I would fight for my life to keep universal  healthcare available to everyone in my country.
It makes for a better nation, your society is pretty fucked, and most canadians mostly just laugh at you.

Yeah, Canada's catch-and-release program for mental health patients has been so successful. 

[beefcakeblake]

You would be the first on a plane to the USA to get medical treatment. Why? Because your healthcare system has made the quality of your care worse. 

dude I know so many people that get care right away, we have awesome care for really cheap. Even with the taxes that come along it doesn't matter because it's worth it. For big time surgeries I wouldn't even think of going to the states theres a huge medical center like close to where I live, with some of the best facilities in Canada.

I've never heard of anyone going over to the states to get care. 

[Colossus_500]

So why was Fox News beating CNN and MSNBC during the Bush years? 

Ouch! 

[Colossus_500]

Define that notion and show me someone who represents EXACTLY what you define.

Sorry about that, Jezebelle, I hadn't checked back on this thread in a while.  Wasn't trying to ignore you.

True conservatism to me is having a free market, allowing Americans to donate and offer deeds and services on their own (without government mandating it!), an adherence to the constitution as a living, breathing document, supporter of the choice of life (pro-life), and a strong believe in our Creator (the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob).  Those are the things that come to mind immediately, but there's lots more.  As far as someone in office that I believe holds true to this mindset would be someone like a Mike Pence, Sarah Palin, Bob McDonald, Halle Barber or some of the new names coming on the conservative scene, like Col.  Allen West in Florida as well as Marco Rubio.  Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter are some of the old schoolers that I admire.  President Reagan is possibly the greatest example of someone who shares and ran the country based on these ideas. 

[MRDUMPLING]

Sorry about that, Jezebelle, I hadn't checked back on this thread in a while.  Wasn't trying to ignore you.

True conservatism to me is having a free market, allowing Americans to donate and offer deeds and services on their own (without government mandating it!), an adherence to the constitution as a living, breathing document, supporter of the choice of life (pro-life), and a strong believe in our Creator (the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob).  Those are the things that come to mind immediately, but there's lots more.  As far as someone in office that I believe holds true to this mindset would be someone like a Mike Pence, Sarah Palin, Bob McDonald, Halle Barber or some of the new names coming on the conservative scene, like Col.  Allen West in Florida as well as Marco Rubio.  Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter are some of the old schoolers that I admire.  President Reagan is possibly the greatest example of someone who shares and ran the country based on these ideas. 

Reagan wasn't the conservative that many think he was.  His fiscal policy was less than stellar. 

[Soul Crusher]

Reagan wasn't the conservative that many think he was.  His fiscal policy was less than stellar. 

He had to deal with Dem run House and Senate and was miles and away better than Carter or what followed.