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Rethinking The American Dream
« on: April 20, 2010, 12:41:39 PM »
I just love how these columnist write these articles and make sure they continue to BLAME the victims of the greatest HOODWINK ever played on the world by america. Not only was and is the homeowners suffering terribly over being tricked into taking out mortgages that would be their demise, the writer conveniently left out that these mortgagees were packaged and sold to Europeans, Chinese, Japanese etc etc as investments and when the housing bubble burst, these nations lost their investments on top of the homeowner losing their homes. Now reality has set in...The so called AMERICAN DREAM is just that...A DREAM or should I say a LIE. A dream people should have never had, are now waking up to, that has proved to be  a nightmare.  The LIE of ever escalating home values, the need to buy RIGHT NOW!!!, the supposed profit potential, the ridiculous house prices...even starter homes selling for half a million etc. Now the shift is on RENTING, where the home owner who rents makes out like a bandit, as the home is already paid for and the rent roll is continuous and forever. The rentee never has ownership, walks away at some point without having earned or gained a cent of benefit of having rented all those years, has paid a rent equivalent to a mortgage and will always be in a position where they will have to plop down large securities on the next rental, of which they rarely get back. Can you see that this will become the next fraud game...

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The American dream of home ownership has turned out to be the American nightmare for those who could never really afford a home in the first place.

Many borrowers are now in deep trouble as home prices have plummeted and the payments on bubble-era adjustable rate mortgages have shot up. Foreclosures are still continuing at an alarming pace.

rent or buy?

If the so-called Great Recession has taught us anything, it's that buying a house is not a divine right. It's a privilege to be earned only after you've saved up a nice chunk of cash for a down payment and are in a healthy enough financial position to keep making those monthly mortgage payments.

So for many consumers, renting is not necessarily the worst thing in the world. That's worth keeping in mind now that some experts think home prices are close to bottoming and fixed mortgage rates are still fairly low.

Sure, we've all been taught that buying real estate is the smartest thing you can do in order to build wealth. That's probably still true for the long haul.

But like with any investment, you should only make a purchase if you can afford the near-term hit that comes from doling out all that money now. Plus, you have to be able to stomach the possibility that the value of the house may actually fall over a short period.

And guess what? It seems many people are in fact coming to the realization that, for now at least, it makes more sense to rent instead of buy.

Jerry Davis, senior vice president of property operations for UDR (UDR), a Denver-based real estate investment trust (REIT) that owns and manages apartments, said that before the housing market collapsed, about 25% of the company's renters that moved out of apartments did so because they were buying a home.

Now, only about 12% are moving out to purchase a home, and in some of the harder hit real estate markets, such as California, Davis said that fewer than 10% of movers are buying a house of their own.

"Even though prices have come down, you're not seeing a big exodus of renters to buy homes," Davis said. "Buying a house used to be the way to get rich, but people are afraid to jump back in."

In addition, banks also appear to have learned lessons from the housing crash. Many remain reluctant to give mortgages to even the most credit-worthy consumers.

"It was Shakespeare who wrote that when home prices are declining, neither a borrower nor a lender be," joked Edward Leamer, chief economist for the Ceridian-UCLA Pulse of Commerce Index and professor at UCLA's Anderson School of Management.

Simply put, many consumers just aren't buying the notion that the economy is getting better. For many, the stock market rally does not make their daily lives any easier. Consumers are more interested in the job market improving than the Dow or S&P 500 hitting highs.

"This is a frugal recovery. People are more reluctant to buy homes as they would in a normal recovery," Leamer said. "If you don't have a job or are worrying about your job, you're not going to buy a home. That's the ultimate statement of optimism about the future."

Add that up and it's reasonable to expect a rental boom that could last for some time. That's not lost on Wall Street. Shares of UDR, for example, are up 20% this year.

Other apartment REITs have also surged this year and an analyst at RBC Capital Markets upgraded UDR, BRE Properties (BRE), Camden Properties Trust (CPT) and Apartment Investment and Management (AIV) last week, citing their growth potential.

Thomas Toomey, CEO of UDR, said that favorable demographics will also probably drive more people to rent than buy. He pointed to the increasing number of retiring Baby Boomers who may look to downgrade from bigger houses to apartments.

He also said that record-high college enrollment levels are a boon for UDR and other apartment owners. Most recent college graduates, particularly those finding work in cities, are not in a position to buy a home.

Toomey added that cities are also interested in building more apartments closer to where people work for environmental reasons.

"So if you look toward the future, it's not just demographics and people making a conscious decision of whether they can afford a home that will lead to more renters. Cities want more apartments for younger and older generations," he said.

Of course, that's exactly what you'd expect the head of a company that owns apartments to say. But I also agree with him. And I'm curious to hear what you think.
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Re: Rethinking The American Dream
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2010, 12:49:15 PM »
Samson, I looked at some homes this weekend and was shocked at the price to quality ratio of what is being offered.  i was looking on the N Stamford area of CT which is about 40 minutes outside of NYC. 

Between my GF and myself we can afford about a 600k - 800k house.  At that price range, you cant believe the utter garbage and crap we looked at. 

One house smelled like a pet store and wet dog.  the others were worse! 

I asked her to move to Texas or CO, but she said no since her parent are here etc.  Its awful and a complete ripoff. 

I laughed in the face of one realtor at the open house, the one whose house smelled like wet dog, and told her I would give her 200k.  The house was listed at 688k.  Its unreal. 

My current place is mostly paid off, which is cool, but house hunting really sucks in the NE.   

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Re: Rethinking The American Dream
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2010, 01:03:26 PM »
Samson, I looked at some homes this weekend and was shocked at the price to quality ratio of what is being offered.  i was looking on the N Stamford area of CT which is about 40 minutes outside of NYC. 

Between my GF and myself we can afford about a 600k - 800k house.  At that price range, you cant believe the utter garbage and crap we looked at. 

One house smelled like a pet store and wet dog.  the others were worse! 

I asked her to move to Texas or CO, but she said no since her parent are here etc.  Its awful and a complete ripoff. 

I laughed in the face of one realtor at the open house, the one whose house smelled like wet dog, and told her I would give her 200k.  The house was listed at 688k.  Its unreal. 

My current place is mostly paid off, which is cool, but house hunting really sucks in the NE.   

We moved from CT[NORWALK] to Indiana.In CT we owned a co-op two bedrooms 1 bath,it was a nice place in a nice community but pretty small and it was a co-op.We paid 1300 a month there[common charges and mortgage].In Indiana we bought a brand newly built home,4 bedrooms,three baths,finnished basement,two car garage,etc..We paid 230,000 for it and thats because the school system is the best one in Indiana,5 miles down the road and we would have paid 150,000.We pay 1,000 a month to live here.

Living in the Northeast sucks.You cant get anywhere as the roads were never built for that much traffic.Everything is expensive as hell,the people are rude,the schools blow.I dont miss it a bit.

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Re: Rethinking The American Dream
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2010, 01:07:47 PM »
Bro - i hear you!  If I could get my GF to go to Texas I would leave tommorow. 

I looked at one home that was listed at $749k where there was a pond in the back yard that smelled literally like shit and nothing was done in over 50 years.  The owner paid 789k in 2003. 

I told the guy straight his face - "WTF bro - 789k for this mess?" 


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Re: Rethinking The American Dream
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2010, 01:09:45 PM »
Only thing I miss is the newspapers.In Indiana the only "real" paper is the Indianapolis Star.The sports section is like 4 pages big.Its a disgrace.I miss getting the post,the news and newsday.

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Re: Rethinking The American Dream
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2010, 01:12:20 PM »
Only thing I miss is the newspapers.In Indiana the only "real" paper is the Indianapolis Star.The sports section is like 4 pages big.Its a disgrace.I miss getting the post,the news and newsday.

My sis used to live in Nobelesville or some shit like that. 

She showed me homes at the 700k range that near me would cost 3 Million and up. 

Granted I would never fit in over there, but its depressing seeing how little your money gets you in the NYC area. 

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Re: Rethinking The American Dream
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2010, 01:15:37 PM »
My sis used to live in Nobelesville or some shit like that. 

She showed me homes at the 700k range that near me would cost 3 Million and up. 

Granted I would never fit in over there, but its depressing seeing how little your money gets you in the NYC area. 

The house we bought here would have been a million dollars in Norwalk.Thats pretty sad.

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Re: Rethinking The American Dream
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2010, 01:22:06 PM »
Only thing I miss is the newspapers.In Indiana the only "real" paper is the Indianapolis Star.The sports section is like 4 pages big.Its a disgrace.I miss getting the post,the news and newsday.

I remember some years ago there being in New York city a store on 42nd street called Hotlingers (between 6th and 7th avenue) that sold every single major news paper in the country. You could literally get the papers from Atlanta, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Houston, Dallas, Chicago etc etc. It was nice being able to get papers from the home towns that my family lived in in order to see what was happening. When I was in college there was a store in Philadelphia that did the same thing. Maybe if you search around Indianapolis or whatever major city you are near you can find a similar store and get those papers you once had access to.
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Re: Rethinking The American Dream
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2010, 01:27:01 PM »
The house we bought here would have been a million dollars in Norwalk.Thats pretty sad.

Its horrible bro.  There literally is nothing on the market here for less than 500k.  The taxes in CT are better the NY and thats the only reason I am looking there. 

The taxes in NY are absolutely insane.  A tiny cape cod in westchester the taxes are anywhere between 10k and 20k  a year.   

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Re: Rethinking The American Dream
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2010, 01:36:09 PM »
Samson, I looked at some homes this weekend and was shocked at the price to quality ratio of what is being offered.  i was looking on the N Stamford area of CT which is about 40 minutes outside of NYC. 

Between my GF and myself we can afford about a 600k - 800k house.  At that price range, you cant believe the utter garbage and crap we looked at. 

One house smelled like a pet store and wet dog.  the others were worse! 

I asked her to move to Texas or CO, but she said no since her parent are here etc.  Its awful and a complete ripoff. 

I laughed in the face of one realtor at the open house, the one whose house smelled like wet dog, and told her I would give her 200k.  The house was listed at 688k.  Its unreal. 

My current place is mostly paid off, which is cool, but house hunting really sucks in the NE.   

Not to rip into you three or your relationship, but if your girlfriend is still that attached to her parents you may be in a doomed relationship. When is she going to stop being your fathers daughter and start being your fiance? You may have to deliver an ultimatum and have her make a decision. You could be holding yourself back from great opportunities and advancement by staying in New York instead of moving where opportunities may be better and/or the lifestyle/cost may be drastically different/better. Why is she so hooked on staying in overly priced, crime ridden over crowded New York? Has she ever been anywhere else? Been to other countries? My family is spread all over america and when they see and hear of the cost of things in te Northeast like New York, Boston, Washington DC their eyes roll back in their heads. For 200,000 dollars my uncle and his wife and kids are living in a virtual mansion in South Carolina: 6 bedrooms, 6 baths (some are half baths), formal living room, formal dining room, eat in kitchen the size of a one bedroom apartment, den, two car garage, in ground pool, 3/4 acre lot, giant recreation room etc etc.... I was ready to move back to the states after seeing that.... sheesh
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Re: Rethinking The American Dream
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2010, 01:44:00 PM »
She is employed by them.    :-[  :-[ :-[

I personally want to move to a rural area or the Adirondack Mountains and do my thing over the internet like I do, but she cant since she works for her parents in their situation and she is very close to them. 

Me personally, I dont care and want to leave, but when it comes to matters of the heart . . . . 

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Re: Rethinking The American Dream
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2010, 09:06:52 PM »

Some people took on more than they could afford, it's as simple as that.

The amount of people who lose their home to foreclosure is incredibly small compared to the amount of people (who used their brains) and are enjoying the American Dream!

Now the shift is on RENTING, where the home owner who rents makes out like a bandit, as the home is already paid for and the rent roll is continuous and forever.

Nothing wrong with that, no one is forcing anyone to rent their house, and it's a great option for many people.


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Re: Rethinking The American Dream
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2010, 09:14:18 PM »
If the so-called Great Recession has taught us anything, it's that buying a house is not a divine right. It's a privilege to be earned only after you've saved up a nice chunk of cash for a down payment and are in a healthy enough financial position to keep making those monthly mortgage payments.

Do you agree with that Samson?  ???
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