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US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« on: May 22, 2010, 05:22:56 PM »
You mean the 30 to 40 BILLION per year america gives doesn't cover this expense?????

US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project

By Catrina Stewart in Jerusalem

Saturday, 22 May 2010

    
American lawmakers have overwhelmingly backed a proposal to provide Israel with $205m (£142m) to speed up the deployment of a short-range anti-missile system.

The US House of Representatives voted 401-4 in favour of President Barack Obama's plan to fund Israel's Iron Dome project, designed to protect the country from rocket and artillery shell attacks.

"With nearly every square inch of Israel at risk from rocket and missile attacks, we must ensure that our most important ally in the region has the tools to defend itself," House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Howard Berman said.

The anti-missile system is designed to thwart attacks by Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip and Hizbollah in Lebanon by blowing up rockets in mid-air.

Israeli defence officials have reportedly struggled to find the funds to make the system operational after successful tests earlier this year.

Analysts said the US donation is a sign that the Obama administration wants to rekindle relations with the Israeli government; these had been severely strained by Israel's announcement in March that it would build hundreds of new Jewish homes in Arab-dominated East Jerusalem, which was captured by Israel in 1967 and later annexed.

"The Obama administration has been trying hard to change the atmospherics," said Jonathan Spyer, senior researcher at the Centre for Global Research in International Affairs in Herzliya. "It didn't help their cause to be perceived as humiliating the Israeli government."

Israel ordered the Iron Dome project three years ago after its 2006 war with Lebanon, during which thousands of rockets landed in Israeli territory. Some 1,200 Lebanese, mostly civilians, were killed in the conflict, as were 160 Israelis.

Rockets fired by Palestinian militants from the Gaza Strip prompted Israel to launch a devastating military offensive on the tiny coastal enclave two winters ago that killed up to 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis.

Although an effective deterrent system could make another debilitating regional conflict less likely, critics of the Iron Dome project say it is very costly and would not be able to shoot down missiles fired from a short distance away.

"The flight-time of a Qassam rocket to Sderot [an Israeli town close to the Gaza border] is 14 seconds, while the time the Iron Dome needs to identify a target and fire is something like 15 seconds," according to a military analyst quoted earlier this month in The Jerusalem Post.

However, the Iranian-backed Hizbollah is widely seen by Israel as a far graver threat. The guerrilla group has amassed thousands of rockets near Israel's northern border and has warned it is prepared to fire them if provoked.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-to-help-fund-israeli-iron-dome-project-1979973.html
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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2010, 05:25:20 PM »
You mean the 30 to 40 BILLION per year america gives doesn't cover this expense?????

US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project



The US House of Representatives voted 401-4 in favour of President Barack Obama's plan to fund Israel's Iron Dome project, designed to protect the country from rocket and artillery shell attacks.


Is there going to be a reaction for Obama's plan from those who criticize him?
Israel should pay from their own pockets. The US should spend the taxpayers' money on things that benefit the Americans.

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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2010, 05:26:56 PM »
I wonder how much of our money per citizen that equals.

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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2010, 05:41:05 PM »
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I wonder how much of our money per citizen that equals.

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Is there going to be a reaction for Obama's plan from those who criticize him?
Israel should pay from their own pockets. The US should spend the taxpayers' money on things that benefit the Americans.

Now Now you two...You'll be labeled ANTISEMITIC (Shemitic) if you speak out against ANYTHING Israhell (shakes finger at drkaje and Pold)
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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2010, 06:49:16 PM »
I wonder how much of our money per citizen that equals.

dunno if this is correct

http://www.wrmea.com/us_aid_to_israel/
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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2010, 07:33:44 PM »

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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2010, 07:50:53 PM »
I hope that's wrong.

It probably is wrong...you know with the US governments math it is probably a WHOLE LOT MORE GOING TO ISRAHELL THAN IS BEING REPORTED...I hope you all like being such friends with these people that you pay them nearly 25,000 per year per person to be your "FRIENDS"....
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2010, 07:54:07 PM »
I hope that's wrong.


i checked a buncha sites....each with different figures...so i just picked 1 and pasted it
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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2010, 08:23:19 PM »
So we build a giant dome over isreal and then..........fill it with gas?

The US = smarter than Hitler!
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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2010, 10:17:14 PM »
eh..as long as we get our hands on the source code  :D

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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2010, 10:33:24 PM »
Now Now you two...You'll be labeled ANTISEMITIC (Shemitic) if you speak out against ANYTHING Israhell (shakes finger at drkaje and Pold)
There is a big difference between drkaje and you
As an American he does not want American money spent else where, that is it.
You on the other hand hate all Jews, whites and Americans......... big differance  :-*

 

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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2010, 10:39:08 PM »
eh..as long as we get our hands on the source code  :D
watch the movie "Pi" damn it!!!!!!!

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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2010, 09:22:43 AM »
When we can't find a pothole to fix, school that needs new teachers/books/computers for American kids, and there isn't one, single homeless veteran I'll entertain the possibility of spending US taxpayer funds offshore.

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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2010, 07:42:39 PM »
You mean the 30 to 40 BILLION per year america gives doesn't cover this expense?????

US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project

By Catrina Stewart in Jerusalem

Saturday, 22 May 2010

    
American lawmakers have overwhelmingly backed a proposal to provide Israel with $205m (£142m) to speed up the deployment of a short-range anti-missile system.

The US House of Representatives voted 401-4 in favour of President Barack Obama's plan to fund Israel's Iron Dome project, designed to protect the country from rocket and artillery shell attacks.

This pisses me off!!!!   >:(   >:(  And don't tell me as a Canadian I shouldn't have an opinion in the matter.

This pisses me off because just today I was reading about how Canada has to finance Detroit's share of a bridge between our two countries. How the heck is it that the US government is able to find money for Israeli infrastructure, but cannot find funds for it's own? That is shameful.
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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2010, 08:13:57 PM »
This pisses me off!!!!   >:(   >:(  And don't tell me as a Canadian I shouldn't have an opinion in the matter.

This pisses me off because just today I was reading about how Canada has to finance Detroit's share of a bridge between our two countries. How the heck is it that the US government is able to find money for Israeli infrastructure, but cannot find funds for it's own? That is shameful.
hahahahaha.... you guys are funding a bridge to Detroit!!!!!!  You Canadians are dumber than I thought. :D 

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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2010, 08:23:08 PM »
When we can't find a pothole to fix, school that needs new teachers/books/computers for American kids, and there isn't one, single homeless veteran I'll entertain the possibility of spending US taxpayer funds offshore.
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2010, 09:35:33 PM »
hahahahaha.... you guys are funding a bridge to Detroit!!!!!!  You Canadians are dumber than I thought. :D 

{sigh} Don't have all the details yet, but hopefully we're charging you ungodly interest rates. ...besides,
how else are we gonna get all our garbage into your landfills?  :D

The Rainbow bridge & the Whirlpool bridge at Niagara Falls are already congested enough as it is. We need to improve the flow of trade goods between Windsor & Detroit. Not doing so is a problem for both our countries.
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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2010, 04:01:18 AM »
This pisses me off!!!!   >:(   >:(  And don't tell me as a Canadian I shouldn't have an opinion in the matter.

This pisses me off because just today I was reading about how Canada has to finance Detroit's share of a bridge between our two countries. How the heck is it that the US government is able to find money for Israeli infrastructure, but cannot find funds for it's own? That is shameful.

Our politicians probably figure jobs and money aren't leaving fast enough, despite NAFTA, so we need a bridge.

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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2010, 12:32:23 PM »
Our politicians probably figure jobs and money aren't leaving fast enough, despite NAFTA, so we need a bridge.

No, it's more a case of the Republican senate doing everything to maintain a monopoly held on traffic by a private business owner who has consistently reneged on infrastructure projects for the past 20 years.

The Ambassador bridge is a toll road that puts over $60 million a year in the hands of a private owner, yet they are not making the necessary improvements required to serve the community. Many years ago they agreed to build an on ramp that would efficiently take vehicles (trucks from Canada) onto the freeway. Instead they built a fuel bay and a duty free plaza on the proposed site for the on ramp... and cordoned off a residential street for truck usage. How would you like to be a homeowner on that street and share the road with 18 wheelers, bringing down your property values and spewing heavy diesel exhaust into your children's lungs? And the authorities turned a blind eye.

This was supposed to be a joint project with mutual costs on each side of the border, including an access route on the Canadian side from Hwy 401 to the bridge. While we Canadians have done our part, the project has been boondoggled and hit by numerous delays and setbacks stateside. the final straw was the building of the fuel bay and the duty free plaza.

In a recent court decision in Michigan, that went against the owner of the bridge, proponents stateside suggested tearing the fuel bays and plaza down.

In a response to all the ongoing BS of the past 20 years, others proposed simply building a new bridge (the DRIC) that would better facilitate traffic between our countries and would provide much needed revenues to the cash strapped region.

After all the delays which have gone on for 20 years, our Federal Transportation minister just said.. "If the only thing preventing this from moving forward is the lack of funds... heck, we'll fund the damned thing... let's just get it started." So Canada is offering to fund the US portion ($550 million) required for the project.

The closer this thing comes to being a go, ...the more opponents are panicking. The owner of the Ambassador bridge recently acquired some land, a portion of which (a tiny sliver) overlaps the proposed site for the on ramp. It appears to be another stalling tactic, a supposed show of good faith, but after all the delays, proponents of the new bridge are not holding their collective breath that this is anything more than a show.

Senate Republicans are up in arms, flipping out over this proposed funding, claiming an additional bridge would divert traffic away from the Ambassador which could result in lost revenues for the owner. So much for free market competition. They are so desperate to maintain the monopoly on cross-border traffic for this one man, they have even gone so far as to play the race card, claiming this is a grand conspiracy resulting from anti-muslim sentiment. The owner of the Ambassador bridge is Lebanese.

We'll find out after the vote on June 1st.

Personally, I don't think it's a good idea to have only one bridge. Anyone who has ever tried to cross the border by car knows what a nightmare it is. The bottleneck & congestion is horrendous. There should be an additional bridge to improve the daily flow. If a terrorist were to negatively impact that bridge, both our countries would be screwed in a major way. The flow of goods & services at our mutual border points is simply staggering. There really does need to be a more efficient, streamlined, route, ...and an additional bridge would do that. If the people are paying the tolls, then the revenues generated should go to the state coffers rather than to a monopoly with revenues remaining in the hands of one man.
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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2010, 01:01:16 PM »
Isn't Detroit literally dying from a lack of jobs?

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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2010, 06:05:42 PM »
Isn't Detroit literally dying from a lack of jobs?

Yes it is, and the construction of the Detroit River International Crossing (DRIC) would create many jobs in Detroit and much needed improvements in traffic flows on the US side of the border.

Aside from the owner of the Ambassador bridge, and the politicians in his back pocket, it's major opponents are supposedly in principal against P3's (private, public partnerships) on the premise that tax-payers would be on the hook if an investor pulled out. Well if an investor pulled out, you'd simply get another, ...or you'd go ahead without them. If they pull out of the investment, they also pull out of the revenue and profit earned as well.

Donald Stumper, the president of the company that owns the Ambassador bridge claims anti-Arab sentiment is behind Michigan's governors' support for the DRIC project, and that the Canadians are only attempting to buy Michigan with $550 miilion.

In the meantime, the Ambassador bridge has thrown their own offer in the kitty by offering up over $400 million in tax credits to the state with the stipulation that he didn't want the money to be used against him for the DRIC.

So now you in effect have a private businessman essentially bribing a gov and setting down conditions after fartzing around for decades. How fascist is that?

It remains to be seen how this will play out. Could all just be a high stakes poker game with the owner of the Ambassador bridge holding out and creating stumbling blocks to the DRIC in order to up the asking price to sell his bridge to Canada. He currently wants $3 Billion, and Canada say's he's smoking crack because the bridge only takes in $60 million a year in revenues. The Ambassador bridge guys are not happy campers these days because a Michigan court just order the expensive duty-free plaza and refuelling bays erected on the site demolished.
The owner was claiming he had the right to deviate from previously agreed to plans. That's whacked!
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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2010, 06:07:44 PM »
Another bridge to nowhere.

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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2010, 06:46:47 PM »
Another bridge to nowhere.

No. Not exactly. It's not that Canadians are urgently clamouring to go to Detroit.
It is that because of Detroit's positioning, it's the Gateway into the rest of the US and southwards towards Mexico, ...I guess that's where they came up the name "The Gateway Project"  :P

The traffic flows suck on the US side of the Detroit Windsor border, and the infrastructure is crap and crumbling. There is only one bridge between the two cities, so Canadian truckers are forced to use it.

if you were stuck driving down a crappy road everyday filled with bumper to bumper traffic, rife with pot holes fissures etc that was messing up your alignments and causing you to be late for work, you'd want to see the road fixed wouldn't you? If the owner has been promising to fix it for the past 20 yrs, but has done nothing, infact instead of leveling the road and widening it as he promised to do, he instead built a McD's drive thru to make money on all the hungry motorists stuck in the colossal traffic jams, you'd reach a point of frustration to where you were gonna do whatever you had to to make sure a smooth navigable road existed to enable you to be on your way in a timely manner. If that meant asking the next door neighbour to build a road on his property, as an alternative, something he's quite agreeable to considering the revenues he'd generate in toll charges, you'd do it, and if it was gonna cost you less money to simply build a new road, or help the neighbour finance it, ... a new road that would alleviate alot of the congestion, enable you to get to work on time, and wouldn't make you have to continually fork out a kings ransom in automotive repairs, you'd do it wouldn't you?

Besides, ...experts are saying it's only a matter of time before the Ambassador bridge goes the route of that bridge in Minnesota (I forget the name)
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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2010, 01:27:45 PM »
No. Not exactly. It's not that Canadians are urgently clamouring to go to Detroit.
It is that because of Detroit's positioning, it's the Gateway into the rest of the US and southwards towards Mexico, ...I guess that's where they came up the name "The Gateway Project"  :P

The traffic flows suck on the US side of the Detroit Windsor border, and the infrastructure is crap and crumbling. There is only one bridge between the two cities, so Canadian truckers are forced to use it.

if you were stuck driving down a crappy road everyday filled with bumper to bumper traffic, rife with pot holes fissures etc that was messing up your alignments and causing you to be late for work, you'd want to see the road fixed wouldn't you? If the owner has been promising to fix it for the past 20 yrs, but has done nothing, infact instead of leveling the road and widening it as he promised to do, he instead built a McD's drive thru to make money on all the hungry motorists stuck in the colossal traffic jams, you'd reach a point of frustration to where you were gonna do whatever you had to to make sure a smooth navigable road existed to enable you to be on your way in a timely manner. If that meant asking the next door neighbour to build a road on his property, as an alternative, something he's quite agreeable to considering the revenues he'd generate in toll charges, you'd do it, and if it was gonna cost you less money to simply build a new road, or help the neighbour finance it, ... a new road that would alleviate alot of the congestion, enable you to get to work on time, and wouldn't make you have to continually fork out a kings ransom in automotive repairs, you'd do it wouldn't you?

Besides, ...experts are saying it's only a matter of time before the Ambassador bridge goes the route of that bridge in Minnesota (I forget the name)

I'll bet detroit had a better economy before NAFTA.

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Re: US to help fund Israeli 'Iron Dome' project
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2010, 01:39:57 PM »
I'll bet detroit had a better economy before NAFTA.

It's doesn't matter what date you choose. As long as it's a date from the past, any date from the past, then you can rest assured Detroit had a much better economy then than it does now.
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