Iran's navy offers to escort Gaza ships

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He fires a lot more rockets in pakistan than Bush did.  He continues the war plans by bush's details, using the same guys.

had the poland missile shield thing gone down in Dec 2008... would it really have been any different?  I mean, Bush and Obama both have the same advisers telling them what to do.  PLEASE don't tell me anyone here really believes Dubya or owebama made the final decision on any of these things. 

Rather, I'm sure it was the top minds of military and diplomacy getting together, formulating a plan, and giving it to the prez to sign and sell.

If you want to look at it this way... Obama flinched on poland just as bush flinched to them during the olympics on that georgia mess.  If the ruskies had invaded georgia on obama's watch, and the poland mess happened on bush's watch, things would be 100% the same.  Agree/disagree?

Stepping up the drone attacks was one of the few smart decisions he's made.

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not sure what you mean...  the fuel deal with turkey?  I thought that was a good deal.  The IAEA got to inventory/follow over half of Iran's nuke material, and now it's certainly being used for energy and not weapons grade - we're overseeing it.

So unless I'm reading the deal wrong... Obama neeutralized HALF of iran's nuke material weaponization capability with the deal.

And, to boot, the UN sactions weren't even lifted.

Please explain why that deal was a bad thing.

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not sure what you mean...  the fuel deal with turkey?  I thought that was a good deal.  The IAEA got to inventory/follow over half of Iran's nuke material, and now it's certainly being used for energy and not weapons grade - we're overseeing it.

So unless I'm reading the deal wrong... Obama neeutralized HALF of iran's nuke material weaponization capability with the deal.

And, to boot, the UN sactions weren't even lifted.

Please explain why that deal was a bad thing.

Do you honestly think the biggest problem is Iran having a bomb? No, much like Pakistan, who was caught red-handed selling nuke tech to Libya, it's Iran giving out the knowledge and know-how for building one to all of their little terrorist allies in Syria and Hezbollah, etc. Not to mention the gigantic nuclear arms race it will set off in the Middle East. That is far and away the biggest threat from their nuke program.  

Getting them to send out some material to Turkey is a half-assed attempt to save face. We all know their real aims and as long as they continue to hide their nuke tech, we all know what they're trying to do.

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yeah, but isn't victory achieved with a series of small successes?

Obama got them to hand over 50% of the nuke material it's taken them decades to develop... and it's moved to energy development, not weapons grade.  And it's supervised.  And he didn't give up sanctions to do it.


Dont get me wrong, I agree he's bending over to china to keep our dollar afloat and bowing to the world to keep them from the one global currency thing... but with Iran, it seems like he's just following bush policy and did manage to get half of their material de-weaponized and monitored.  

For Nkorea, he hasn't paid them a million barrels of oil, and he has sent over a carrier to prep for possible war... 2 things bush wouldn't do.  instead, bush actually downplayed the threat.  I mean, if ANY country with a nuke decides to calibrate their weapons by aiming nukes at a US state and firing on the 4th of july - as a space shuttle launches much less... W T F should we do?    We should fire at every weapons center and missile silo and miltary building we know about.  That's what I think.  

bush was an appeaser on nkorea and failed to act on iran.
Obama isn't appeasing Nkorea - he's ramping up for war.
Obama is making deal with iran - but they lose 50%+ of their nuke weapons capability.

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And - Obama's team is still coming at Iran with nails out - in order to keep those sanctions in place.  That's not appeasing.  Obama is starving them.


Source: AFP

By Lachlan Carmichael (AFP) – 2 hours ago

WASHINGTON — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Sunday she expects Iran will "pull some stunt in the next couple of days" as a UN vote on tough sanctions against Tehran over its nuclear program looms.

Asked what she expects in the runup to a UN Security Council vote on sanctions on Tehran over its controversial nuclear program, Clinton said "I expect Iran to pull some stunt in the next couple of days."

Iran has in the past taken steps to "avoid being held accountable," Clinton told reporters as she waited to depart on a Latin American trip.

"I don't think anybody should be surprised if they (Iran) try to divert attention once again from the unity within the Security Council," the top US diplomat said.

"I think we'll see Iran say ...'wait a minute, wait a minute look at what we're going to do' in a bid to thwart sanctions," Clinton added. "They've consistently tried to avoid being held accountable."