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IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« on: July 21, 2010, 10:13:37 AM »
From a business/write off standpoint...

Are Pros Considered 1099 consultants? Do they get to write off travel expenses, meals on the road, Marketing/promotional materials?

Maybe Bob Chick or any of the other Pros can chime in...

Just curious

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Re: IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2010, 10:24:00 AM »
From a business/write off standpoint...

Are Pros Considered 1099 consultants? Do they get to write off travel expenses, meals on the road, Marketing/promotional materials?

Maybe Bob Chick or any of the other Pros can chime in...

Just curious

Did you know the IFBB is a tax exempt entity.  Not sure how the wieders pulled that shit off.

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Re: IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2010, 02:16:10 PM »
From a business/write off standpoint...

Are Pros Considered 1099 consultants? Do they get to write off travel expenses, meals on the road, Marketing/promotional materials?

Maybe Bob Chick or any of the other Pros can chime in...

Just curious

Not sure how bodybuilding works but most pro athletes have corporations and even non-profits setup.  Anything that has to do with your job you can write off.  how much I have no idea.  When I competed every fucking thing I did was written off and went through my corp. My travel expenses (even though most was paid anyway), food, gas, clothing etc.  Anything you use for your business or living.  Major pro athletes have non profit setup so they can get right-offs contributing to their own charity which half their family works for and get paid through.  I am far from any kind of accountant or tax specialist but I had a few smart people around me.

A quick note; you try to get paid in cash as much as you can.  NO paper trail.  That is the best thing you can do.
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Re: IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2010, 02:28:08 PM »
Not sure how bodybuilding works but most pro athletes have corporations and even non-profits setup.  Anything that has to do with your job you can write off.  how much I have no idea.  When I competed every fucking thing I did was written off and went through my corp. My travel expenses (even though most was paid anyway), food, gas, clothing etc.  Anything you use for your business or living.  Major pro athletes have non profit setup so they can get right-offs contributing to their own charity which half their family works for and get paid through.  I am far from any kind of accountant or tax specialist but I had a few smart people around me.

A quick note; you try to get paid in cash as much as you can.  NO paper trail.  That is the best thing you can do.

Spot on Keith...


To answer the original question, no, you are not 1099 from the IFBB...the only thing for the federation you're responsible for, is the W-2 for any and all prize money you receive. Anything else is up to the individual and what sort of business thye have set up for themselves. 

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Re: IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2010, 02:32:05 PM »
From a business/write off standpoint...

Are Pros Considered 1099 consultants? Do they get to write off travel expenses, meals on the road, Marketing/promotional materials?

Maybe Bob Chick or any of the other Pros can chime in...

Just curious

It would be "independent contractor" not Independent consultant. 

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Re: IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2010, 02:35:18 PM »
Spot on Keith...


To answer the original question, no, you are not 1099 from the IFBB...the only thing for the federation you're responsible for, is the W-2 for any and all prize money you receive. Anything else is up to the individual and what sort of business thye have set up for themselves. 

If they're W2 that would make them them employees of the IFBB. No?

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Re: IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2010, 02:44:03 PM »
If they're W2 that would make them them employees of the IFBB. No?

No. my bad..it's a 1099, not a W-2

It means you received money from the IFBB which they will send claim as money expensed to an athlete. Which in turn means you're supposed to claim it as income as an independanmt contractor.

I meant to say, you dont get a W-2 or a 1099 from the IFBB...only a 1099 from the promoter paying out.


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Re: IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2010, 03:37:41 PM »
anyway, good read on npc npo.



http://www.steroidtimes.com/2008-tax-records-for-the-national-physique-committee-jim-manions-salary-etc/2010





While I realize that non-profit Organizations do earn money, I’m at a loss to explain how the NPC (National Physique Committee) legitimately meets many of the requirements to be treated as such legally. Still, as they are registered as an NPO, their financial records are subject to public disclosure. Form 990, the one I’ve published below (as filled out by the NPC) is the form used by tax-exempt organizations…yes, that’s right, the NPC is tax-exempt organization. I’ll let you ponder that for a second…

As you can see from the documents below, membership fees were well over $1.5 million dollars, while their sponsorship fees were nearly $1 million dollars. Roughly $287k dollars of that money went directly into the pockets of their corporate officers, with another $121k dollars going into the payment of other employees. $375k dollars were spent on competitive event support. $166,000 went right into the pocket of the owner, Jim Manion - and more ended up there (another $18k or so) from his other interests related to the NPC and his position as president/owner. So…just to make sure we’re all on the same page here, this is a non-profit organization, and the owner is taking home about $185k/year, as a fee he pays to himself as the president, for which the company itself pays no taxes on. In 2003, his salary was listed as just under $118k dollars. In the five years past that time (until the NPC filed their last tax return in 2008), as the economy collapsed, he has raised membership fees and given himself a $68k dollar raise, essentially a ten percent raise each year. Has the NPC gotten 10% better for the athletes each year that he’s given himself  that raise?

I haven’t done the math here, but somewhere around 7% of the total earnings from the company is going directly into the pocket of the owner…of ….this…non-profit organization. Put another way, which I find of far more interest to the average member of the NPC, over 10% of your annual membership fee is represented in Jim Manion’s annual salary. Not to be redundant, but ten cents out of every dollar that comes out of your pocket to be a member of the NPC, goes into Jim’s pocket(book). Are you starting to see the picture here?

In other words, the employees and (more specifically) the owners and executives of the company are pocketing more money each year than the entire organization spends on the promotion of their various events. If you’re an NPC bodybuilder, figure competitor, or fitness athlete, the bulk of your membership fees are going directly into the pockets of the people who run and own the organization, with very little going back into either you or your competitions.

Almost a million dollars goes into printing and publication - and the NPC’s printing and publication, as I understand it, is handled by the owner’s son, JM Manion.

$68k dollars were spent on meetings and conferences…I know exactly zero NPC bodybuilders who have ever attended one of these meetings that ostensibly were held to benefit them and their sport). Zero dollars were spent on advertising. Regardless of what anyone else wants to think or say, the athletes who are members of the NPC are paying the lion’s share of their membership fees directly into Jim Manion’s pocket, and the pocket of his son, JM. The third document below shows James B. Manion’s salary (random trivia: the “B” in “James B. Manion” stands for “Banus.”).

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Re: IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2010, 03:47:16 PM »
anyway, good read on npc npo.



http://www.steroidtimes.com/2008-tax-records-for-the-national-physique-committee-jim-manions-salary-etc/2010





While I realize that non-profit Organizations do earn money, I’m at a loss to explain how the NPC (National Physique Committee) legitimately meets many of the requirements to be treated as such legally. Still, as they are registered as an NPO, their financial records are subject to public disclosure. Form 990, the one I’ve published below (as filled out by the NPC) is the form used by tax-exempt organizations…yes, that’s right, the NPC is tax-exempt organization. I’ll let you ponder that for a second…

As you can see from the documents below, membership fees were well over $1.5 million dollars, while their sponsorship fees were nearly $1 million dollars. Roughly $287k dollars of that money went directly into the pockets of their corporate officers, with another $121k dollars going into the payment of other employees. $375k dollars were spent on competitive event support. $166,000 went right into the pocket of the owner, Jim Manion - and more ended up there (another $18k or so) from his other interests related to the NPC and his position as president/owner. So…just to make sure we’re all on the same page here, this is a non-profit organization, and the owner is taking home about $185k/year, as a fee he pays to himself as the president, for which the company itself pays no taxes on. In 2003, his salary was listed as just under $118k dollars. In the five years past that time (until the NPC filed their last tax return in 2008), as the economy collapsed, he has raised membership fees and given himself a $68k dollar raise, essentially a ten percent raise each year. Has the NPC gotten 10% better for the athletes each year that he’s given himself  that raise?

I haven’t done the math here, but somewhere around 7% of the total earnings from the company is going directly into the pocket of the owner…of ….this…non-profit organization. Put another way, which I find of far more interest to the average member of the NPC, over 10% of your annual membership fee is represented in Jim Manion’s annual salary. Not to be redundant, but ten cents out of every dollar that comes out of your pocket to be a member of the NPC, goes into Jim’s pocket(book). Are you starting to see the picture here?

In other words, the employees and (more specifically) the owners and executives of the company are pocketing more money each year than the entire organization spends on the promotion of their various events. If you’re an NPC bodybuilder, figure competitor, or fitness athlete, the bulk of your membership fees are going directly into the pockets of the people who run and own the organization, with very little going back into either you or your competitions.

Almost a million dollars goes into printing and publication - and the NPC’s printing and publication, as I understand it, is handled by the owner’s son, JM Manion.

$68k dollars were spent on meetings and conferences…I know exactly zero NPC bodybuilders who have ever attended one of these meetings that ostensibly were held to benefit them and their sport). Zero dollars were spent on advertising. Regardless of what anyone else wants to think or say, the athletes who are members of the NPC are paying the lion’s share of their membership fees directly into Jim Manion’s pocket, and the pocket of his son, JM. The third document below shows James B. Manion’s salary (random trivia: the “B” in “James B. Manion” stands for “Banus.”).


The Red Cross and most all relief aid organizations are NPOs but the people that work for them still get paid, so why shouldn't manion?

The Red Cross Chief got a scheduled raise when Katrina happened even though the red cross fucked up bad during that disaster.

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Re: IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2010, 03:51:16 PM »

The Red Cross and most all relief aid organizations are NPOs but the people that work for them still get paid, so why shouldn't manion?

The Red Cross Chief got a scheduled raise when Katrina happened even though the red cross fucked up bad during that disaster.

true.

The system in itself is stupid, not the organizations using it to their benefit.

I think the system has been established a long time ago, and by todays standards it should be reviewed.

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Re: IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2010, 03:52:11 PM »
anyway, good read on npc npo.



http://www.steroidtimes.com/2008-tax-records-for-the-national-physique-committee-jim-manions-salary-etc/2010





While I realize that non-profit Organizations do earn money, I’m at a loss to explain how the NPC (National Physique Committee) legitimately meets many of the requirements to be treated as such legally. Still, as they are registered as an NPO, their financial records are subject to public disclosure. Form 990, the one I’ve published below (as filled out by the NPC) is the form used by tax-exempt organizations…yes, that’s right, the NPC is tax-exempt organization. I’ll let you ponder that for a second…

As you can see from the documents below, membership fees were well over $1.5 million dollars, while their sponsorship fees were nearly $1 million dollars. Roughly $287k dollars of that money went directly into the pockets of their corporate officers, with another $121k dollars going into the payment of other employees. $375k dollars were spent on competitive event support. $166,000 went right into the pocket of the owner, Jim Manion - and more ended up there (another $18k or so) from his other interests related to the NPC and his position as president/owner. So…just to make sure we’re all on the same page here, this is a non-profit organization, and the owner is taking home about $185k/year, as a fee he pays to himself as the president, for which the company itself pays no taxes on. In 2003, his salary was listed as just under $118k dollars. In the five years past that time (until the NPC filed their last tax return in 2008), as the economy collapsed, he has raised membership fees and given himself a $68k dollar raise, essentially a ten percent raise each year. Has the NPC gotten 10% better for the athletes each year that he’s given himself  that raise?

I haven’t done the math here, but somewhere around 7% of the total earnings from the company is going directly into the pocket of the owner…of ….this…non-profit organization. Put another way, which I find of far more interest to the average member of the NPC, over 10% of your annual membership fee is represented in Jim Manion’s annual salary. Not to be redundant, but ten cents out of every dollar that comes out of your pocket to be a member of the NPC, goes into Jim’s pocket(book). Are you starting to see the picture here?

In other words, the employees and (more specifically) the owners and executives of the company are pocketing more money each year than the entire organization spends on the promotion of their various events. If you’re an NPC bodybuilder, figure competitor, or fitness athlete, the bulk of your membership fees are going directly into the pockets of the people who run and own the organization, with very little going back into either you or your competitions.

Almost a million dollars goes into printing and publication - and the NPC’s printing and publication, as I understand it, is handled by the owner’s son, JM Manion.

$68k dollars were spent on meetings and conferences…I know exactly zero NPC bodybuilders who have ever attended one of these meetings that ostensibly were held to benefit them and their sport). Zero dollars were spent on advertising. Regardless of what anyone else wants to think or say, the athletes who are members of the NPC are paying the lion’s share of their membership fees directly into Jim Manion’s pocket, and the pocket of his son, JM. The third document below shows James B. Manion’s salary (random trivia: the “B” in “James B. Manion” stands for “Banus.”).

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Re: IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2010, 03:52:53 PM »
true.

The system in itself is stupid, not the organizations using it to their benefit.

I think the system has been established a long time ago, and by todays standards it should be reviewed.

It never will be reviewed because the catholic church system uses the same exemption and no politician has the balls to stand up the mafia child molesters church

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Re: IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2010, 03:54:54 PM »
It never will be reviewed because the catholic church system uses the same exemption and no politician has the balls to stand up the mafia child molesters church

Sure it will never be reviewed, and actually in 2010 it would make no sense, because all these organizations bring in money to the state in SOME way or the other, and if you would tax them, they would just move their HQ to another country and go on.


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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2010, 03:57:04 PM »
Sure it will never be reviewed, and actually in 2010 it would make no sense, because all these organizations bring in money to the state in SOME way or the other, and if you would tax them, they would just move their HQ to another country and go on.



I think the way the gov. looks at NPOs is that you don't come asking us for money and we won't come asking you.

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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2010, 04:18:06 PM »
I think the way the gov. looks at NPOs is that you don't come asking us for money and we won't come asking you.

Good point.

I think no Government would ever be so stupid and ask money from the Red Cross or the big religious "Corporations", like the Church.

Organizations like the NPC on the other hand create a lot of money flow, that brings taxes.

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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2010, 04:22:34 PM »
I think the way the gov. looks at NPOs is that you don't come asking us for money and we won't come asking you.

Non profits are alot harder to get these days than just 5 years ago or so.  Everyone sees the benefits to having one.  The government now sets a limit and then there is a waiting list or set time to refile.  You can save millions a years by having one.  The best thing you can do is have one and employ your whole family through it.  Everything you do and they do are write-offs.  Take donations.  Go to a car dealership at the end of the year when they are doing everything they can to get rid of the current inventory.  Prices are slashed 50% or more.  They want to get rid of as many as they so they get the discount they receive from the factory.  You go in and present them with a proposal on what your NPO does and who it benefits and everything else.  Request a Auto Donation.  The dealership gets a 100% tax credit on the full MSRP of the vehicle even when they have it currently listed at 50% off.  But, in some cases the government will allow up to 3 time the MSRP value of the vehicle.  This way the dealerships loses nothing and gets that tax credit and it counts against their quota with the manufacturer.

I am not sure if I explained that exactly right but in my head I know who it works cause I know someone who had a business who does this for you.  It souinds a little easier than it really is only because their is alot of paperwork and you have some shit to file with the government.
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Re: IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2010, 07:43:53 PM »
who gives a shit about paying taxes on a 1st place $200 check


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Re: IFBB Pros = Independent COnsultant?
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2010, 08:19:22 PM »
who gives a shit about paying taxes on a 1st place $200 check



Actually if thats all they made they wouldn't even have to file.  Goodrum would know more about this
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