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When Will the U.S. Go the Way of Rome?
« on: July 26, 2010, 07:22:03 AM »
July 26, 2010
When Will the U.S. Go the Way of Rome?
By Bill Frezza
www.realclearmarkets.com

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When do you suppose the citizens of imperial Rome first realized that their way of life had tipped into inexorable decline?

A few foresaw the impact of Caesar's usurpation of the rule of law, marking his ascension as the beginning of the end. Many more sounded the alarm when Rome's fiscal balance spiraled out of control, debts multiplying faster than the ability to extract taxes from a dwindling base of productive citizens. The plebeian masses, accustomed to bread and circuses, were probably oblivious until Rome was finally sacked. Everything was fine yesterday, how did these barbarians arrive at our gates?

A strange sign of the times has begun traversing America's rural byways. The sole purpose of this giant machine is to grind up paved roads leaving behind a trail of chopped asphalt and gravel. Strapped county administrators are throwing in the towel, unable to maintain their road systems absent the flow of largess cut off from near bankrupt state and federal agencies. Instead of reducing their carbon footprint by driving ecologically friendly electric cars these people will soon be riding horses. The Sierra Club must be thrilled.

Large parts of Detroit are returning to the wild as abandoned sections of the city succumb to bulldozers. Homes whose purchases were made possible by an unsustainable conflux of bloated union wages, liar's loan mortgages, and easy Federal money are disappearing faster than Barney Frank can say "roll the dice."

The response to these signs of decline? Our own aspiring Caesar and his phalanx of facilitators promise more, not less. Free healthcare for all! Free cash for not working! Buy a car, buy a house, get a check! Bottomless subsidies are being shoveled at environmental impresarios promising to save us from invisible gas by covering the land with windmills and algae farms. Court economists scream that things will keep getting worse unless we tax, borrow, and spend our way back to prosperity.

Pay no attention to that deficit behind the curtain! The "rich" will foot the bill! Inequality is the root of all evil! The malefactors of wealth that caused our misery will be brought to heel! Every business that puts profits before people will be loaded with mandates, rules and regulations guaranteed to make life fair!

Alas, there is one thing that life has never been and will never be. Fair.

The other day while out to dinner with a number of tech investors and entrepreneurs the conversation turned to a disturbing subject. "What is your back-up country?" These people weren't kidding. Property was being purchased. Contingency plans were being made.

What will it take to make most people realize that the grand American experiment is tottering on the brink? The destruction of their life savings? The nationalization of vast industries? The high seas teaming with pirates? A humiliating military defeat at the hands of primitives in a far off land?

Today's barbarians don't catapult rocks at city walls. They hurl airplanes at skyscrapers. They blow themselves up on trains and buses. They hunt down merchant ships afraid to arm themselves. Turning our own technology against us they fashion atomic bombs that can reduce a city to rubble a lot faster than a horde of marauding Visigoths.

Calling for a new world order subservient to the will of their desert god their teeming faithful don't need to invade in order to conquer. Why bother when their victims invite them to move in, collect welfare, and crank out babies? They fill the cities of emasculated Europe torching cars on weekends as a form of recreational protest that is not only tolerated but excused. All the while their clerics preach hatred for the host countries that welcomed them.

A society that consumes more than it produces, rewarding the former and punishing the latter, is not sustainable. A society that feels entitled to the good life without understanding where it comes from is delusional, rendering itself incapable of solving problems. A society sapped of vigor, constantly apologizing for its way of life while extending moral equivalence to medievalism, cannot compete. A society that refuses to label sworn enemies as such, responding to each new insult with an olive branch, will never be respected much less feared. A society that gives up defending its way of life physically, morally, and intellectually will not last long in a hostile world.

Rome was the peak of civilization for a thousand years. Will American find the strength to make it to 300?

Bill Frezza is a partner at Adams Capital Management, an early-stage venture capital firm. He can be reached at bill@vereverus.com. If you would like to subscribe to his weekly column, drop a note to publisher@vereverus.com.

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Great article. 

Until the govt shrinks by at least 50% or more we are on the road to collapse. 

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Re: When Will the U.S. Go the Way of Rome?
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2010, 08:50:06 AM »
America has already gone the way of the Godless Rome and all the other empires that existed before an after it.

Be it the Babylonians, Persians, Medes, Assyrians, Egyptians etc etc all of whom dwarfed Rome in superior cultures and knowledge ALL DECLINED TO NON-EXISTENCE. The former empires are today's struggling cities and countries far removed from the military greatness they once were... to look at Rome/Italy toady makes one almost laughed that this is the same people who caused so much war fare and chaos; Greece...same as Rome..same mindset on violence, depravity and sordidness and what are they doing today other than eating octopus and fishing?; Babylon with its many gods and idol worship and multitude of warfare still possessed and EXTREME level of knowledge of science, math, engineering etc where are they now; Egypt had such a fantastic history that it still mesmerizes today and make everyone contemplate the engineering of the pyramids yet it too sank into chaos/despair; Persians..Medes all had their greatness as well and all of these former empires can not be found today...

America is a culmination of all of these empires from its Godlessness, war-faring, greed, murderous history, wastefulness, extravagance, idol worship, depravity etc etc....it too has gone the way of these others. It will not be long before there are tours to see the RUINS of the collapsed america, with geologist, archeologist and the like detailing what once was and showing maps of where things once stood. The fall of america is NOT a single mans actions, but a culmination of the actions set into motion by many presidents and governments whose goal was to milk the land of its wealth, usurp other nations of its resources, and when this "elite" had made an end of achieving its goals, then it will do as is being done in america... which is to sink it into warfare, economic defeat, industrial ruins and soft kill its population. This will be the first time in all of history that AN EMPIRE HAS KILLED ITSELF.
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Re: When Will the U.S. Go the Way of Rome?
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2010, 08:58:33 AM »
July 26, 2010
When Will the U.S. Go the Way of Rome?
By Bill Frezza
www.realclearmarkets.com

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When do you suppose the citizens of imperial Rome first realized that their way of life had tipped into inexorable decline?

A few foresaw the impact of Caesar's usurpation of the rule of law, marking his ascension as the beginning of the end. Many more sounded the alarm when Rome's fiscal balance spiraled out of control, debts multiplying faster than the ability to extract taxes from a dwindling base of productive citizens. The plebeian masses, accustomed to bread and circuses, were probably oblivious until Rome was finally sacked. Everything was fine yesterday, how did these barbarians arrive at our gates?

A strange sign of the times has begun traversing America's rural byways. The sole purpose of this giant machine is to grind up paved roads leaving behind a trail of chopped asphalt and gravel. Strapped county administrators are throwing in the towel, unable to maintain their road systems absent the flow of largess cut off from near bankrupt state and federal agencies. Instead of reducing their carbon footprint by driving ecologically friendly electric cars these people will soon be riding horses. The Sierra Club must be thrilled.

Large parts of Detroit are returning to the wild as abandoned sections of the city succumb to bulldozers. Homes whose purchases were made possible by an unsustainable conflux of bloated union wages, liar's loan mortgages, and easy Federal money are disappearing faster than Barney Frank can say "roll the dice."

The response to these signs of decline? Our own aspiring Caesar and his phalanx of facilitators promise more, not less. Free healthcare for all! Free cash for not working! Buy a car, buy a house, get a check! Bottomless subsidies are being shoveled at environmental impresarios promising to save us from invisible gas by covering the land with windmills and algae farms. Court economists scream that things will keep getting worse unless we tax, borrow, and spend our way back to prosperity.

Pay no attention to that deficit behind the curtain! The "rich" will foot the bill! Inequality is the root of all evil! The malefactors of wealth that caused our misery will be brought to heel! Every business that puts profits before people will be loaded with mandates, rules and regulations guaranteed to make life fair!

Alas, there is one thing that life has never been and will never be. Fair.

The other day while out to dinner with a number of tech investors and entrepreneurs the conversation turned to a disturbing subject. "What is your back-up country?" These people weren't kidding. Property was being purchased. Contingency plans were being made.

What will it take to make most people realize that the grand American experiment is tottering on the brink? The destruction of their life savings? The nationalization of vast industries? The high seas teaming with pirates? A humiliating military defeat at the hands of primitives in a far off land?

Today's barbarians don't catapult rocks at city walls. They hurl airplanes at skyscrapers. They blow themselves up on trains and buses. They hunt down merchant ships afraid to arm themselves. Turning our own technology against us they fashion atomic bombs that can reduce a city to rubble a lot faster than a horde of marauding Visigoths.

Calling for a new world order subservient to the will of their desert god their teeming faithful don't need to invade in order to conquer. Why bother when their victims invite them to move in, collect welfare, and crank out babies? They fill the cities of emasculated Europe torching cars on weekends as a form of recreational protest that is not only tolerated but excused. All the while their clerics preach hatred for the host countries that welcomed them.

A society that consumes more than it produces, rewarding the former and punishing the latter, is not sustainable. A society that feels entitled to the good life without understanding where it comes from is delusional, rendering itself incapable of solving problems. A society sapped of vigor, constantly apologizing for its way of life while extending moral equivalence to medievalism, cannot compete. A society that refuses to label sworn enemies as such, responding to each new insult with an olive branch, will never be respected much less feared. A society that gives up defending its way of life physically, morally, and intellectually will not last long in a hostile world.

Rome was the peak of civilization for a thousand years. Will American find the strength to make it to 300?

Bill Frezza is a partner at Adams Capital Management, an early-stage venture capital firm. He can be reached at bill@vereverus.com. If you would like to subscribe to his weekly column, drop a note to publisher@vereverus.com.

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Great article. 

Until the govt shrinks by at least 50% or more we are on the road to collapse. 

I agree....Good article 33's.

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Re: When Will the U.S. Go the Way of Rome?
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2010, 10:28:23 AM »
I agree....Good article 33's.

Now I know the world is coming to an end with 33 and Mons agreeing...Oy Vey
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Re: When Will the U.S. Go the Way of Rome?
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2010, 10:32:04 AM »
Now I know the world is coming to an end with 33 and Mons agreeing...Oy Vey

Don't worry, if Sarah wins in 2012 - I'm sure I will agree with mons that it is time for him to leave the country. 

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Re: When Will the U.S. Go the Way of Rome?
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2010, 01:05:59 PM »
Don't worry, if Sarah wins in 2012 - I'm sure I will agree with mons that it is time for him to leave the country. 

Put down the hallucinogenics 33's.  :o

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Re: When Will the U.S. Go the Way of Rome?
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2010, 01:11:23 PM »
If Obama and the Dims keep it up, the Republicans will be able to run Michael Vick in 2012 ... and win it in a landslide.


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Re: When Will the U.S. Go the Way of Rome?
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2010, 07:40:52 AM »
Niall Ferguson: Empires Fall Abruptly, And The American Empire Is On The Brink
The Business Insider ^ | 7-29-2010 | Gregory White


Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:35:13 AM by blam

Niall Ferguson: Empires Fall Abruptly, And The American Empire Is On The Brink

Gregory White
Jul. 29, 2010, 10:11 AM

Niall Ferguson, writing in The Australian, believes that the American Empire could be on the brink of extinction. His theory, based on a historical critique of how empires fracture and fall, notes the fiscal instability of the Hapsburg Spanish, Bourbon French, and British Empire prior to their falls.

Ferguson then notes that the American Empire could be next, not just because of the size of its debt, but because of the size of payments needed to service that debt. He suggests that debt servicing costs, specifically interest payments, could rise above that of defense spending within the next decade.

And that's where it gets frightening for Ferguson, who notes that those cuts in defense spending would lead to the decline of the U.S. Empire, a withdrawal from portions of the world, and the expansion of China in the Asia-Pacific region.

Further from this, its quite obvious that this could have an impact in multiple areas the U.S. currently dominates. An example would be South Asia, where India and Iran could rise to compete over dominance in Afghanistan and Pakistan. China could even play there too.

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Re: When Will the U.S. Go the Way of Rome?
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2010, 03:27:42 PM »
My reply is: No one knows. And those who say they know are full of shit.

At this point putting a date on the US' demise as a superpower is as good as the Mayan calendar, the one that says the end of the world will take place in 2012.

I can tell you, and this you all know already, what will speed up the process though: Sending American jobs to India and China.

That will aid the fall of the US as a superpower exponentially.
  

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Re: When Will the U.S. Go the Way of Rome?
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2010, 03:44:36 PM »
My reply is: No one knows. And those who say they know are full of shit.

At this point putting a date on the US' demise as a superpower is as good as the Mayan calendar, the one that says the end of the world will take place in 2012.

I can tell you, and this you all know already, what will speed up the process though: Sending American jobs to India and China.

That will aid the fall of the US as a superpower exponentially.
  

Another accelerator of the decline will be the current racial divide that has been caused within government and corporations. You have political leaders openly discriminating against whites and corporations (Ford) as well. This is a recipe for a disaster and may even have been intentionally done. The Soviet Union was a planned collapse - who says the collapse of the USA is also not planned? USA is not like Germany, France and England that goes back 1000 years or more. It is relatively new and a "Union of States". As more friction develop between States and Federal Government a secession of States could be possible.

America was a great country and it would be sad to see this happen. Hopefully this will not happen but these are very uncertain times and the US faces huge issues down the road.

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Re: When Will the U.S. Go the Way of Rome?
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2010, 08:35:58 PM »
I'm going to predict we'll be just fine.

America, FUCK YEA!