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I understand what he's trying to do, but why Democrats tripping over themselves on this thing? 

N.Y. Gov Offers 'State Property' If Mosque Moves Farther From Ground Zero
Published August 11, 2010
FoxNews.com

New York Gov. David Paterson is offering to provide state property if the developers of the so-called Ground Zero mosque agree to move their project farther away from where the twin towers once stood, raising questions over how such a deal would be arranged and who might pay for it.

In an effort to appease disputing parties, Paterson said in a press conference Tuesday that he would provide state help to the group sponsoring the Cordoba House if the developers opt to move it elsewhere.

"Frankly, if the sponsors were looking for property anywhere at a distance that would be such that it would accommodate a better feeling among the people who are frustrated, I would look into trying to provide them with the state property they would need," Paterson said.

While Paterson has "no objection" to the mosque being built a few blocks away from Ground Zero, he said he’s "very sensitive to the desire of those who are adamant against it to see something else worked out."

The building of the $100 million Islamic center and mosque has led to a firestorm of criticism over its proposed location – just a few blocks away from the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks by Islamic terrorists that left nearly 3,000 dead.

A handful of Republicans, like former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Arizona Sen. John McCain and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, have blasted the project’s location, while others, including New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, have forcefully defended it as a symbol of America's religious tolerance.

Religious leaders from various denominations also have supported the group's plans, arguing that critics' attacks amount to "religious bigotry."

"It’s simply wrong for Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin, public figures who frequently reference their Christian values, to malign all Muslims by comparing this cultural center and mosque with a radical ideology that led to the horrific attacks of 9-11," said Sister Simone Campbell, executive director of NETWORK, a national lobbying group that advocates Catholic social justice. "We fail to honor those killed by terrorists when we betray the bedrock principle of religious freedom that has guided our democracy for centuries."

Details surrounding Paterson’s offer to provide state property remain elusive. Phone calls to his office were not returned Wednesday. The Cordoba Initiative, meanwhile, did not respond to questions over whether it would accept such a proposal.

On Wednesday, the group leading the opposition against the mosque's planned location called the governor's "willingness to engage this issue” a “positive development."

"We’re pleased that he realizes the sensitive nature of this issue," said Jay Sekulow, chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice, adding that he supports "having other land available to the mosque."

But Sekulow raised questions over how such a deal would be arranged, saying, "he can’t give a religious institution land owned by the state of New York."

"Under no circumstances should the taxpayers of New York have to subsidize this," he said.

Many state governments have access to inventory land that is not utilized and Paterson could potentially sell state land to the mosque, legal experts say, though no details on such a scenario have been disclosed.

The American Center for Law and Justice is fighting the New York City Landmarks Preservation Committee over the mosque plans -- the group filed suit against the committee after it declined to grant landmark status to the proposed site. The tower could span up to 15 stories and will house a mosque, a 500-seat auditorium and a pool.

The group also is calling on the State Department to back off plans to sponsor the imam of that controversial mosque on an upcoming trip to the Middle East.

The department confirmed Tuesday that the administration is sponsoring Feisal Abdul Rauf's trip to Qatar, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates, which is described as part of a program to send Muslims abroad to educate other countries about the role of religion in the United States. Rauf made similar trips during the Bush administration. Rauf has become a controversial figure because of his refusal to acknowledge Hamas as a terrorist organization, which is how the U.S. government classifies the group.

The State Department, meanwhile, has defended Rauf and his planned visit to the Middle East.

"He is a distinguished Muslim cleric," said State Department Spokesman P.J. Crowley. "We do have a program whereby, through our Educational and Cultural Affairs Bureau here at the State Department, we send people from Muslim communities here in this country around the world to help people overseas understand our society and the role of religion within our society."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/11/ny-governor-offer-state-property-mosque-built-farther-away-ground-zero/

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I like Patterson and wish he was running.  He got a raw deal from Obama and the NYS Dems. 

Despite his attempt at harmony, the moooslims rejected the offer which says everything I need to know about this disgrace and the intended message. 

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I like the fact he is trying to lead, but giving the money to move?  No way. 

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I like the fact he is trying to lead, but giving the money to move?  No way. 

It could turn out to be cheaper in the long run with all of the problems that will undoubtedly arise if it were to be built there.  Constant vandalism, possible assault of its patrons etc.

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It could turn out to be cheaper in the long run with all of the problems that will undoubtedly arise if it were to be built there.  Constant vandalism, possible assault of its patrons etc.

True, but doesn't this set dangerous precedent?  This is taxpayer money we're talking about.   

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True, but doesn't this set dangerous precedent?  This is taxpayer money we're talking about.   

Obama is paying the imam to go on a world conquest tour. 

Additionally, the mosque will be getting a break from property taxes and be taken off the tax rolls.  Guess who gets to pay for that? 

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Obama is paying the imam to go on a world conquest tour. 

Additionally, the mosque will be getting a break from property taxes and be taken off the tax rolls.  Guess who gets to pay for that? 

This whole thing is one big mess. 

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Why the fuck should the taxpayer foot this bill? Let's look at it this way. They don't even own the entire building where they plan to plop it now.

The snake leading this group claimed the center wouldn't include a mosque (turns out they planned to build one all along).
The snake leading this group claimed, in English, that it would be funded by American donations and then claimed in Arabic that it would be funded by foreign donations.
The snake leading this group refuses to denounce terrorism.
The snake leading this group has said, in writing, that he is against interfaith dialog.
The snake leading this group applauded the 9/11 attacks and said America deserved them.
The snake leading this group has said that this mosque will help non-Muslims to integrate.
The snake leading this group continues to lie and lie and then lie some more.

And best of all, the snake leading this group has said that he wants Sharia Law in America.

I could keep going as the list is pretty long but I think that sums it up.

The church that stood under the WTC (built in 1922) and was destroyed in the attacks has yet to rebuilt. The rebuilding process has been tied up in bureaucratic tape for 9 years now. The zoning commission told the people of this church that they couldn't rebuild it taller than the GZ monument yet the 13-story mosque they plan to build is MUCH taller than the monument. Why is this going ignored by the Muslim-worshiping MSM? As far as I'm concerned, no house of worship should go up in that area until the church that was there for 80 years gets rebuilt.

When other Muslims are saying that this mosque is being built as a sign of islamic supremacism and so that the Muslims can thumb their noses at the "infidel" then you know it's a project that needs to go.

A mosque at that site is nothing more than a sign of Islamic conquest and anyone too fucking stupid to realize that isn't worth responding to (Hi SamsonEnterprises!).

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Why the fuck should the taxpayer foot this bill? Let's look at it this way. They don't even own the entire building where they plan to plop it now.

The snake leading this group claimed the center wouldn't include a mosque (turns out they planned to build one all along).
The snake leading this group claimed, in English, that it would be funded by American donations and then claimed in Arabic that it would be funded by foreign donations.
The snake leading this group refuses to denounce terrorism.
The snake leading this group has said, in writing, that he is against interfaith dialog.
The snake leading this group applauded the 9/11 attacks and said America deserved them.
The snake leading this group has said that this mosque will help non-Muslims to integrate.
The snake leading this group continues to lie and lie and then lie some more.

And best of all, the snake leading this group has said that he wants Sharia Law in America.

I could keep going as the list is pretty long but I think that sums it up.

The church that stood under the WTC (built in 1922) and was destroyed in the attacks has yet to rebuilt. The rebuilding process has been tied up in bureaucratic tape for 9 years now. The zoning commission told the people of this church that they couldn't rebuild it taller than the GZ monument yet the 13-story mosque they plan to build is MUCH taller than the monument. Why is this going ignored by the Muslim-worshiping MSM? As far as I'm concerned, no house of worship should go up in that area until the church that was there for 80 years gets rebuilt.

When other Muslims are saying that this mosque is being built as a sign of islamic supremacism and so that the Muslims can thumb their noses at the "infidel" then you know it's a project that needs to go.

A mosque at that site is nothing more than a sign of Islamic conquest and anyone too fucking stupid to realize that isn't worth responding to (Hi SamsonEnterprises!).

BF: Can you please link to where it was documented that this guy indeed said these things?  I'd prefer links that have direct quotes of statements backing that up.

I'd like to do some more reading on this guy as I haven't read up on him much.

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Things to consider:

*The mosque is being built in lower Manhattan which is primarily a business district, very few residence and of the very few people who live in this area, very few are Muslim.

*Most Muslims in the area live in Brooklyn. That's where the greatest concentration of Muslims are.

*If this Mosque is built by ground zero, those who would be the ones going to it, those that live in Brooklyn, would have to drive across the river, pass by numerous mosque that are already in use along the way, and fight downtown NY traffic just to get there.

*The Imam claims there is nowhere else to build this Mosque in a functional and prudent area, there is over 57.1million sqft of open available property on the island that would more than fill the requirements and further, would be in a place that is more suitable for those who would be attending.   

This whole thing stinks to high bullshit to the highest level! Oh yeah, I forgot, we're supposed to be tolerant, even if it's to the point of being tolerant to the point of absolute absurd stupidity.

Americans need to wake up, this has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with religious tolerance. Thankfully, most Americans in NY understand this. Further, it's not an argument of left in right, in the city of NY, a very liberal population, a strong majority, very strong see this for what it is.

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Emm, not to be a dick, but there have been at least a dozen articles written in the past few months verifying exactly what BF said. Do a google search and look through clippings of The New York Post and The Daily News to start.

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Emmortal’s a good guy, and I don’t believe he’s being facetious here.

They aired one of the clips on our local news about a week or so ago.
It was from shortly after 9/11, when Rauf went on record declaring, "I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."

Speaking in euphemisms doesn’t change the message.

Gee, I would think that the tolerant and misunderstood Muslim leaders who orchestrated the attacks were a bigger accessory, don’t you?
 
Here’s a brief article hitting a few highlights of said snake:
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/498160-mau-mauing-the-mosque