has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?

[240 is Back]

I'd like to see a 210+ pound lean bodybuilder (with pics to prove) post that he believes 100 or 150 grams is all he needs.  i haven't seen that yet.

[MCWAY]

I'd like to see a 210+ pound lean bodybuilder (with pics to prove) post that he believes 100 or 150 grams is all he needs.  i haven't seen that yet.

You have a better chance of finding a fitness/figure girl with real breasts.

[Ropo]

im sick and tired of working out consistently for years and making only tiny gains. i know my genetics suck but im going to try something which i have often ridiculed- im gonna eat protein every 3 hours consistently, and eat much more calories in general. i might gain fat but i dont care, i can lose it all just by skipping a few meals and sleeping on an empty stomach.
has this actually worked for anyone?
if this doesnt work i know only steroids can help me.

How much you are training per week?
How many times, how many sets, how many reps? Exact numbers, not any fictional shit.

When I was on my prime, I sometimes count and ad up weights rep by rep, and I usually lift like 40 - 60 000kg (80-120 000lb) per session. That is lot of reps. Nowdays I lift only half of that, and I make better gains than 10 years back. Why? I use perfect form and range of motion with weights which I can control all the time. I do just few sets, but I do all of them to the failure. I also use slow negative motion for just about every exercise, for the last five reps. I gain muscle mass without eating lot of carbs, my diet is something like 2200 calories which has 70% of protein, 20% of carbs and 10% of fat. In fact, I have never gain muscle so fast than right now. I try to eat protein no more than 1 gram per pound.

[MCWAY]

How much you are training per week?
How many times, how many sets, how many reps? Exact numbers, not any fictional shit.

When I was on my prime, I sometimes count and ad up weights rep by rep, and I usually lift like 40 - 60 000kg (80-120 000lb) per session. That is lot of reps. Nowdays I lift only half of that, and I make better gains than 10 years back. Why? I use perfect form and range of motion with weights which I can control all the time. I do just few sets, but I do all of them to the failure. I also use slow negative motion for just about every exercise, for the last five reps. I gain muscle mass without eating lot of carbs, my diet is something like 2200 calories which has 70% of protein, 20% of carbs and 10% of fat. In fact, I have never gain muscle so fast than right now. I try to eat protein no more than 1 gram per pound.

Still no word from John about his statistics. Maybe he isn't that serious about getting any advice.

[CalvinH]

 

[kiwiol]

LOFL

[Cleanest Natural]

[Chick]

This whole notion that there is a magic number, or percentage that applies to everyone is laughable...everyone responds differently, just like they do to training.  What works for one, wont necessarily work for another. Some guys respond better and require more protein, others do not.

Bottom line is this:  If you're a hard gainer and you dont take in much protein...BUMP IT UP.
If you take in ridiculous amounts of protein and make pretty solid gains...LOWER IT and see what happens.

[lvtolft]

This whole notion that there is a magic number, or percentage that applies to everyone is laughable...everyone responds differently, just like they do to training.  What works for one, wont necessarily work for another. Some guys respond better and require more protein, others do not.

Bottom line is this:  If you're a hard gainer and you dont take in much protein...BUMP IT UP.
If you take in ridiculous amounts of protein and make pretty solid gains...LOWER IT and see what happens.


Spot on Chick.

[MCWAY]

This whole notion that there is a magic number, or percentage that applies to everyone is laughable...everyone responds differently, just like they do to training.  What works for one, wont necessarily work for another. Some guys respond better and require more protein, others do not.

Bottom line is this:  If you're a hard gainer and you dont take in much protein...BUMP IT UP.
If you take in ridiculous amounts of protein and make pretty solid gains...LOWER IT and see what happens.

The problem is threefold:

1. You have the conspiracy theory folks who think that you and other bodybuilders are in some evil alliance with supplement companies to push high protein intake to, of course, sell protein powder.

2. You have the "woe-is-me" hardgainers, who think they can't go to the bathroom without a syringe. Unless they have some secret pro stack of anabolics, to use from the moment they pick up their father's/uncle's/older brother's cement weights in the garage, bodybuilding just "ain't worth it".

3. You have, what Ron Harris called, the "lean guy" syndrome. Even though they can't bench their own bodyweight, they obsess with putting on too much bodyfat, lest they lose the only muscular development they have (which is hidden 90% of the time anyway). Heaven forbid they jack up their protein or even their carbs and put on 30-35 lbs. in a year (even if half of it's fat).

But, that's my two cents. What say you?

[TRIX]

Ron harris can speak, juiced to the gills and still a twig

[Chick]

The problem is threefold:

1. You have the conspiracy theory folks who think that you and other bodybuilders are in some evil alliance with supplement companies to push high protein intake to, of course, sell protein powder.


Thats kind of funny to me, as Protein powder is the simpleist form of a supplement, as in, supplementing your food intake...no one can dictate what someone chooses to take, or how much...

2. You have the "woe-is-me" hardgainers, who think they can't go to the bathroom without a syringe. Unless they have some secret pro stack of anabolics, to use from the moment they pick up their father's/uncle's/older brother's cement weights in the garage, bodybuilding just "ain't worth it".

Which has nothing t do with nothing...if the idea is to take supplements to get bigger/ stronger/ faster, then they do what they say they do...no company claims that they're superstar has used ONLY their products to achieve their successes

3. You have, what Ron Harris called, the "lean guy" syndrome. Even though they can't bench their own bodyweight, they obsess with putting on too much bodyfat, lest they lose the only muscular development they have (which is hidden 90% of the time anyway). Heaven forbid they jack up their protein or even their carbs and put on 30-35 lbs. in a year (even if half of it's fat).

It isnt the increase in protein that will lead to them getting fat, it's the carb overload and inability to push themselves away from the table..
But, that's my two cents. What say you?

[Ropo]

Still no word from John about his statistics. Maybe he isn't that serious about getting any advice.

Mighty Chick has given us his theories, but mine is much more simple: in the gym, there is two kind of people, those who know what they are doing, and those who don't have a clue. First ones will gain muscle and strength, second group gain only some frustration. First group is 15% of all people in the gym, second group is 85%. For changing the group you will need to do few things. 1. you have to learn to listen when somebody gives you advise. 2. you have to learn to feel what is good to your body and whats not. 3. you have to start all over again and LEARN THE FUCKING BASICS.

I go to gym at 6:00 in the morning, and even that time there will be some bozos from group two. They could be fat bastards, or skinny guys, but the common factor with those guys is that they have a need to show me that they can lift more than me, with any mean they could use. Well, that is easy, because I usually use just moderate weights, but there is more than that. I don't have a need to show anything to anybody. My mission is simple, I am there to make my muscles grow, and that's it. Only thing which you have to show off, is that muscle which you are training, everything else is useless shit. When you learn this, you are in the right path, and after realizing that, everything is simple. You need some exercises, protein rich diet and lot of sleep. Just cut the useless shit, do only what is appropriate, be ware for over training and you will gain muscles.