Multi-Mr. Olympia runners-up get more props than men who won Mr. O just once

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian commented on why he never entered the Arnold , he said that it wasn't about the money it was about the Sandow , all that mattered was the Olympia title.

The Arnold has only been out since 1989 and has had 13 winners , the Olympia on the other hand has been out since 1965 and has only had 12 winners

[Chick]

Its odd to me how the Arnold seems to have more polish, better judges, and more cache to the general public than Mr. Olympia...if they got rid of the rule that the Arnold can't have a higher 1st cash prize than the Mr. Olympia, you'd probably see first place being 1.5-2.5 million by now, based upon the yr Arnold had said that, if not more.
The Arnold seems to reward aesthetics, symmetry, conditioning and freakiness, whereas the rewards size, size, freakiness and conditioning...there should be a consistency in what is being looked for, not some "on the whim" or some political bullshucks.

Probably odd because you're terribly misinformed...they CHOOSE to keep the prize money where it is, they're not "forced" into keeping it lower than the Olympia. Thinking the prize money would be a Mil or more is ridiculous

Judges are virtually the same for both...

The winner is usually the reigning Mr. Olympia, or the SECOND best guy, as the Olympia winner chooses not to compete...

The line-ups are generally the same guys, placing in roughly the same placings....only variable is what conditioning they show up at...the rest of your thought is nonsense bro.....think about it

[erics]

One time winners don't project that sense of alpha male pack dominance that the multiple winners project.

Even Zane, who won three consecutive titles, had to fight, so to speak, to win each of his titles. From what I hear and read from people who were there in the 70s, it seems that nobody was ever sure that Zane would be able to back up and defend his title. The Arnold, Haney, Yates etc years seem to be the opposite.

Interestingly enough, there were different winners each year from 1979 1984. Obviously during those times, bodybuilding was looking for its alpha male leader. Is it right to say then, that those years were the most competitive, at least in terms of the competitors having a reasonable chance of believing that they could win the title?

[Parker]

Probably odd because you're terribly misinformed...they CHOOSE to keep the prize money where it is, they're not "forced" into keeping it lower than the Olympia. Thinking the prize money would be a Mil or more is ridiculous

Judges are virtually the same for both...

The winner is usually the reigning Mr. Olympia, or the SECOND best guy, as the Olympia winner chooses not to compete...

The line-ups are generally the same guys, placing in roughly the same placings....only variable is what conditioning they show up at...the rest of your thought is nonsense bro.....think about it

Maybe my memory is cloudy, but that is the reason why Arnold had decided to give away a Hummer and then a Rolex, to circumvent that 'rule'. And it was Arnold that stated the prize money should be a Mil...

 

[Tre]

Probably odd because you're terribly misinformed...they CHOOSE to keep the prize money where it is, they're not "forced" into keeping it lower than the Olympia.

I won't throw anyone under the bus here, but more than one person - and the list includes pro promoters as well as people inside both the Arnold *and* Olympia promotional teams - has stated that the cash prizes for any other IFBB show may not exceed the total cash awarded at the Olympia.

Are they all mistaken? 

[johnny1]

Don`t forget Bannout beat Zane and Fox to win the 83 Olympia,in my opinion he was one of the best Olympia winners.

Bloody hell Bannouts condition is Outstanding in the pic

[~UN_$ung~]

i think when it comes down to it, people recognize wheeler and levrone are superior bodybuilders

dex has an olympia, but people universally agree those were pretty slow years

as compared to that 10 or so year period between 92-2002, where the field was extremely deep with potential olympia winners

[~UN_$ung~]

Probably odd because you're terribly misinformed...they CHOOSE to keep the prize money where it is, they're not "forced" into keeping it lower than the Olympia. Thinking the prize money would be a Mil or more is ridiculous

Judges are virtually the same for both...

The winner is usually the reigning Mr. Olympia, or the SECOND best guy, as the Olympia winner chooses not to compete...

The line-ups are generally the same guys, placing in roughly the same placings....only variable is what conditioning they show up at...the rest of your thought is nonsense bro.....think about it

lol, a good ole' fashioned chick smackdown...

[Immortal_Technique]

Dexter Jackson won it; Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Flex Wheeler did not. Yet, they get more props than Dex does.

Chris Dickerson won it; yet Mentzer get more fanfare.

Bannout won it; yet, Gaspari and Labrada have more legendary status.

Why is that?

I guess cos some of the guys who only won it once were quite inconsistent and never really dominated. But outside of this forum I think Dexter Jackson is well respected, he's insanely consistent and always conditioned, also he's over 40 now isn't he?

People like to pretend everything's a massive injustice, that Mentzer somehow won in 1980 despite being tiny and coming 5th, that Danny Padilla should have beat Franco despite being tiny and coming 5th....

[Smanjh]

I guess cos some of the guys who only won it once were quite inconsistent and never really dominated. But outside of this forum I think Dexter Jackson is well respected, he's insanely consistent and always conditioned, also he's over 40 now isn't he?

People like to pretend everything's a massive injustice, that Mentzer somehow won in 1980 despite being tiny and coming 5th, that Danny Padilla should have beat Franco despite being tiny and coming 5th....

This is what I am trying to say. None of the 1x winners ever dominated because they really just sort of acted like placeholders before the next multi year winner came along.

Like, Sammir won it, then Haney had the spotlight for 8 years along with other guys like Gaspari. Sammir was awesome, but Haney ushered in a new era with competition to go with it. Yates and Coleman the same.

Now it is like they did not have anyone to really knock Coleman out or even replace him in people's minds. Jay will probably not do it, that is what I mean by saying his dominance is not really dominance unless he can eclipse Coleman the way Yates eclipsed Haney and Coleman eclipsed Yates in the size wars.

[Chick]

I won't throw anyone under the bus here, but more than one person - and the list includes pro promoters as well as people inside both the Arnold *and* Olympia promotional teams - has stated that the cash prizes for any other IFBB show may not exceed the total cash awarded at the Olympia.

Are they all mistaken? 

Please...dont believe everything you hear, bro..

[Figo]

Bannout in 83 was untouchable on the day, unfortunately it was his best shape ever, and he couldnt replicate it, also Haney took things to new level following year, and other good competitors joined the fray

Dickerson in 82 capitalized on the fact that he was the best on the day and the main opposition wasnt as good as he was. On the day. Great bber, but many of his contemporaries were also very very good.

Dex pretty much same as Dickerson

Labrada, Gaspari, Flex and Ray just needed the break the above 2 got, but it didnt come. Its not easy unseating a reigning mr O

[Matt C]

Is it possible that Arnold purposely keeps the prize money from being higher than the Olympia out of respect for Joe's legacy?  Both are hugely popular events but I would think based on the expo size that the Arnold is a little bigger overall.  Frankly if I was Arnold I would probably not want the prize money being higher than that of the Olympia out of respect for Joe as eluded to above.

[MCWAY]

Popularity...plain and simple...same reasoning the Yankees will get more interest/ talk/ etc than most other teams whether they win the series or not.....same with the Cowboys, etc, etc...

Jay BUILT his fanbase on LOSING the Olympia over and over to Coleman...not winning it.  People like the underdog in any sport, it's human nature

But, the Yankees have won World Series titles; and the Cowboys have won Super Bowls. They've been to the top of their respective sports.

That's not the case in bodybuilding with Ray, Levrone, and Wheeler. I can see Cutler being more popular than Jackson and getting more props, as he's won the O, multiple times; whereas Jackson got it just once.

[suckmymuscle]

Dexter Jackson won it; Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Flex Wheeler did not. Yet, they get more props than Dex does.

Chris Dickerson won it; yet Mentzer get more fanfare.

Bannout won it; yet, Gaspari and Labrada have more legendary status.

Why is that?

  Ok, here is the thing. The guys you mention get far more prop than Dexter because their physiques were far superior. They couldn't win the Olympia because they happened to be contemporaries of the most dominant Olympian ever. Dexter won the Olympia because he was up against a far inferior bodybuilder than these guys were againt, and even then he only won because that bodybuilder was off.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[erics]

It's just a contest so you only have to win it, you don't have to 'dominate'.

[Immortal_Technique]

This is what I am trying to say. None of the 1x winners ever dominated because they really just sort of acted like placeholders before the next multi year winner came along.

Like, Sammir won it, then Haney had the spotlight for 8 years along with other guys like Gaspari. Sammir was awesome, but Haney ushered in a new era with competition to go with it. Yates and Coleman the same.

Now it is like they did not have anyone to really knock Coleman out or even replace him in people's minds. Jay will probably not do it, that is what I mean by saying his dominance is not really dominance unless he can eclipse Coleman the way Yates eclipsed Haney and Coleman eclipsed Yates in the size wars.

Yes this is true. I guess Haney into Dorian into Ronnie was kind of a crazy fluke, we'll probably have to wait a while before another crazy look comes along, I thought Kai was gonna be it, he has no missing bodyparts and trains and eats in a more psycho way than the others, plus he has the Olympia back. Oh well, I guess there was like 10 years between Arnold's reign proper ended and Haney's reign commenced.

[MB]

Winning the Olympia is like winning the Heismann Trophy in college football.  The 2nd or 3rd best player this year may be better than the winner from last year.  It's all about who the competition is that year.  Wheeler, Ray, and Levrone could have grabbed a Sandow if they'd competed in weaker years.