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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2011, 06:35:30 PM »
Imagine if Obama did something like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2011, 06:38:20 PM »
Imagine if Obama did something like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

Ever hear of fast and furious?   Geez dude. Wake the fuck up.  At least a few hundred are already dead.

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2011, 06:45:49 PM »
Ever hear of fast and furious?   Geez dude. Wake the fuck up.  At least a few hundred are already dead.
Horrible movie.  I hope they don`t make any more of them.

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2011, 06:50:24 PM »
I know some of you kids are a little too young to remember, but the Reagan era was not all laughs and giggles.

His "voodoo" economics was not just out there, but quite devastating for a few years.  He had a method of bottoming out the economy, just to the point of resuscitating it, and creating enough mass hysteria that led to the presumption that he somehow was a solid economic leader.

Reagan wasn't the worst president in washington, but he certainly wasn't a great one either.

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2011, 09:04:15 PM »
I know some of you kids are a little too young to remember, but the Reagan era was not all laughs and giggles.

His "voodoo" economics was not just out there, but quite devastating for a few years.  He had a method of bottoming out the economy, just to the point of resuscitating it, and creating enough mass hysteria that led to the presumption that he somehow was a solid economic leader.

Reagan wasn't the worst president in washington, but he certainly wasn't a great one either.

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He was a great "leader," for whatever that means as a statement.  

He walked, talked, and acted like the leader of the free world which, while his economic policies may or may not have been provided the impetus for America's growth during the 80s, made you feel proud to be part of America...made you (and many other people around the world) believe that America were undoubtable the "good guys" of the cold war.  

Whether or not the specific policies he pushed while in power were invariantly beneficial on their own, there is a LOT to be said about the potential for economic growth of a country when  200+ million people believe they are the "good guys" in a global war where their way of life, global freedom, and everyone's right to personal success is thought to be at stake.  



As far as I'm concerned, the "policies" of anyone in power end up being nothing more than a new obstacle to avoid as they work to improve their (and their family's) status in society, so I can find numerous faults in Reagans socioeconomic policy, but making an entire nation feel a sense of confidence in it's principles and that their efforts for personal progress has global significance is something rare.  

Churchill had it in spades.  Reagan's speeches were soaked in it.  

The current administration appears to have no understanding of it.

Unfortunately, I think it's going to take a different administration than the current one for that kind of "sense of pride" to have a chance at making a comeback....
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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2011, 09:15:12 PM »
i don't think so, no.

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I had already turned in my cartoon Friday afternoon when, Saturday morning, I read the news that Reagan’s health was failing. I began drawing immediately. I have had a rough draft of this cartoon ready for this occasion for years. As the day continued I kept getting e-mails and text messages from friends excitedly anticipating the Gipper’s impending death. Finally Steve, with whom I have planned for over a decade to hold a party on the day of Reagan’s funeral, called me from the track, where he was betting on the Belmont Stakes, to tell me that the old bastard was finally dead. He reported that there had been a perfunctory Moment of Silence, lasting approximately 1.6 seconds, before everyone went back to betting. It was beautiful. As the afternoon went on I got a flood of congratulatory calls from friends around the world—Ben in Boston, Megan and Mike in New York, Berkeley in Baltimore, even Allison in Bulgaria. I e-mailed this cartoon into the City Paper around seven P.M., begging them in the name of our sweet lord and savior Jesus Christ to stop the presses and please run this Wednesday, and then headed down to Baltimore to drink tiny beers and watch The Big Lebowski. The Reagan party will be held at my house this weekend.

Perhaps it may seem insensitive and unpatriotic to some for me to run such an ugly cartoon at this time of national mourning. To those of you who hold this view, I must respectfully say fuck you. Some of my younger readers may not even remember Ronald Regan’s presidency, and I would not want them to be misled by the onslaught of state propaganda they’ll be subjected to this week. Calling him the Great Communicator is like calling Hitler the Great Negotiator, and if we’re going to credit him with winning the Cold War we may as well credit him with the Challenger disaster and the return of Halley’s Comet. Let me tell you what it was really like:

Even at age twelve I could tell that Jimmy Carter was an honest man trying to address complicated issues and Ronald Reagan was a brilcreemed salesman telling people what they wanted to hear. I secretly wept on the stairs the night he was elected President, because I understood that the kind of shitheads I had to listen to in the cafeteria grew up to become voters, and won. I spent the eight years he was in office living in one of those science-fiction movies where everyone is taken over by aliens—I was appalled by how stupid and mean-spirited and repulsive the world was becoming while everyone else in America seemed to agree that things were finally exactly as they should be. The Washington Press corps was so enamored of his down-to-earth charm that they never checked his facts, but if you watched his face when it was at rest, when he wasn’t performing for anyone, you could see him for what he really was—a black-eyed, slit-mouthed, lizard-faced old son-of-a-bitch. He was a bad actor, an informer for McCarthy, and a hired front man for a gang of Texas oilmen, fundamentalist dingbats, and right-wing psychotics out of Dr. Strangelove. He put a genial face on chauvanism, callousness, and greed, and made people feel good about being bigots again. He likened Central American death squads to our founding fathers and called the Taliban “freedom fighters.” His legacy includes the dismantling of Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal, the final dirty win of Management over Labor, the outsourcing of America’s manufacturing base, the embezzlement of almost all the country's wealth by 1% of its citizens, the scapegoating of the poor and black, the War on Drugs, the eviction of schizophrenics into the streets, AIDS, acid rain, Iran-Contra, and, let’s not forget, the corpses of two hundred forty United States Marines. He moved the center of political discourse in this country to somewhere in between Richard Nixon and Augusto Pinochet. He believed in astrology and Armageddon and didn't know the difference between history and movies; his stories were lies and his jokes were scripted. He was the triumph of image over truth, paving the way for even more vapid spokesmodels like George W. Bush. He was, as everyone agrees, exactly what he appeared to be—nothing. He made me ashamed to be an American. If there was any justice in this world his Presidential Library would contain nothing but boys' adventure books and bad cowboy movies, and the only things named after him would be shopping malls and Potter's Fields. Let the earth where he is buried be seeded with salt."

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2011, 09:47:15 PM »
I know some of you kids are a little too young to remember, but the Reagan era was not all laughs and giggles.

His "voodoo" economics was not just out there, but quite devastating for a few years.  He had a method of bottoming out the economy, just to the point of resuscitating it, and creating enough mass hysteria that led to the presumption that he somehow was a solid economic leader.

Reagan wasn't the worst president in washington, but he certainly wasn't a great one either.

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2011, 09:48:37 PM »
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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #58 on: September 08, 2011, 01:44:53 AM »

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #59 on: September 08, 2011, 03:54:08 AM »


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!


Did you actually look at the portion of this graph representing the years Reagan was in office?  


Hint: You might want to pick a better decade with which to drop your "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!" graph, because the Clinton years carry about the same inequality level as the Reagan years.....and both are much lower than the Bush years and the rise of the modern "religious right" Republican party.  

Here's a decade by decade breakdown that doesn't take 90 years of data and pretend that a time frame 60 years in and roughly 1/10th of the total data represents the other 9/10ths of the graph's trend line.  Of the three Republican-as-President bars, Reagan's has the lowest level of income disparity...

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2011, 06:40:29 AM »
If any of you pieces of communist shit wonder why Reagan is so beloved and well respected - this speech tells it all. 

reagan wasn't perfect.  you can cite a powerful speech from a hollywood actor, like you did.

the TOTALITY of his time in office might be 80%.  Obama might be 40%.  Clinton may have been 70%.

But this whole "Reagan walked on water" thing... well, I'm just glad to see repubs admitting the dude wasn't perfect.

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2011, 06:41:53 AM »
No one said he walked on water, but compared to what went on in the 70's he was exactly what the nation needed. 

Additionally, he had a far left congress to deal with a lot of time.  again - read his diaries and stop spinning off of MSNBC created soundbites. 

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #62 on: September 08, 2011, 07:28:16 AM »
Additionally, he had a far left congress to deal with a lot of time.  again - read his diaries and stop spinning off of MSNBC created soundbites. 

So reading a man's diaries is the best way to get an objective view of his actions?

MmmmmmmmmmmmKay ;)

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #63 on: September 08, 2011, 07:29:51 AM »
So reading a man's diaries is the best way to get an objective view of his actions?

MmmmmmmmmmmmKay ;)

As opposed to taking talking points from Madcow like you do?   uuugghhh, Yes.