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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2010, 07:49:39 PM »
To me, this would be like being an avid car fan whose into muscle cars, and bitching because they added an antique car collection and an exotic car collection to the show...WHATS THE DIFFERENCE? I'll still only be interested in the muscle cars and wont waste my time looking at the other collections...as long as the amount of muscle cars being shown isnt diminished because of it, WHO CARES?
Good pt, but to me it is having the major % as doing something very different.
Having 80% motorcyles and only 20% classic cars would change the entire atmosphere, focus and interest of the show.
It would be a morph into a motorcycle show that featured some damn impressive cars.
Having a figure class where some girls compete in a figure class and we have 80-90% bodybuilders is just fine.
In the NPC at least, the vast majority on stage at big shows are NOT bodybuilders.
THAT is my major concern.

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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2010, 07:53:21 PM »
To me, the original purpose of both the IFBB and the NPC was to make money.  Nothing wrong with that as your primary goal, so long as you have secondary goals that are also of merit.

Bodybuilding is not remotely a sport.  It never has been and never will be.  It  was at one time a healthful pastime and was often referred to as "physical culture".  It was more a way of life for the majority of participants.   Men, and with a few exceptions such as the beautiful "Pudgy Stockton",  women participated it.   I highly recommend the excellent book  "Remembering Muscle Beach" for a look at what was truly an age of health, strength and well built bodies.

What passes for "bodybuilding" today is anything but.  It is a subculture if you will with little (if any) health benefits to the "lifestyle" presented by the periodicals of the day.  Contestants are nothing less than walking drug vials.  Male or female, it matters not.  They are all full of dope.  The women are even more hideous than their male counterparts.  Turgid with MALE hormones, they resemble the mythical harpies sans wings.  Ugly as shit on a stick.

The men are so large as to be useless to the world in general.  Their muscles have no purpose other than lifting and posing.  Whoooooopeeeee.  They can't get out of their own way.  No one I know of desires to look like these turgid turds.  Additionally, no one I  know desires a woman that  looks like a man.  What real man would want a woman that looks like a man? 

So that is what the IFBB and the NPC promote.  Big ass men and "women", filled with a panoply of drugs, unable to do anything but "pose", either on a stage or in private for schmoes.  Both organizations exist to make money off of bodydopers and do so by "promoting" the "sport" of bodydoping.  That is their primary goal, their business raison d'être.  So then, where does the money come from?

Not the general public.  They're too busy watching and participating in real sports, e.g. football, baseball, soccer, tennis, etc.  Who then, is the primary audience for bodydoping?  For the greater part, homosexuals.  To a lesser extent, the friends and families of bodydopers.  Don't believe me?  Go to a show and watch the audience.

Me?  I am no bodybuilder, but I do strive for physical excellence via weight training.  I'm more a physical culturist.  Old fashioned? Nah.  Good health, a decent physique never goes out of style.  Besides, looking and feeling good is...well, it's great!    Dopers don't have that feeling and so long as they're on the crap, they never will.  Never. 

And the IFBB and NPC could care less because there's always some neophyte druggie waiting in the wings, hoping to be the next Arnie.  There's money to be made.  Off of him.


 


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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2010, 07:53:54 PM »
Good pt, but to me it is having the major % as doing something very different.
Having 80% motorcyles and only 20% classic cars would change the entire atmosphere, focus and interest of the show.
It would be a morph into a motorcycle show that featured some damn impressive cars.
Having a figure class where some girls compete in a figure class and we have 80-90% bodybuilders is just fine.
In the NPC at least, the vast majority on stage at big shows are NOT bodybuilders.
THAT is my major concern.

The point you're missing, my friend...is that no matter what the number of figure/ bikini/ etc chicks...it has NO BEARING on how many BBers show up.  Do you believe a NPC show with 25 BBers and a few figure chicks could be successful? It would never be able to be profitable...

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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2010, 07:59:08 PM »
The point you're missing, my friend...is that no matter what the number of figure/ bikini/ etc chicks...it has NO BEARING on how many BBers show up.  Do you believe a NPC show with 25 BBers and a few figure chicks could be successful? It would never be able to be profitable...
Maybe you are right? I understand the need to make $$, but this doesn't sit well with me, sorry.

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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2010, 08:02:04 PM »
To me, the original purpose of both the IFBB and the NPC was to make money.  Nothing wrong with that as your primary goal, so long as you have secondary goals that are also of merit.

Bodybuilding is not remotely a sport.  It never has been and never will be.  It  was at one time a healthful pastime and was often referred to as "physical culture".  It was more a way of life for the majority of participants.   Men, and with a few exceptions such as the beautiful "Pudgy Stockton",  women participated it.   I highly recommend the excellent book  "Remembering Muscle Beach" for a look at what was truly an age of health, strength and well built bodies.

What passes for "bodybuilding" today is anything but.  It is a subculture if you will with little (if any) health benefits to the "lifestyle" presented by the periodicals of the day.  Contestants are nothing less than walking drug vials.  Male or female, it matters not.  They are all full of dope.  The women are even more hideous than their male counterparts.  Turgid with MALE hormones, they resemble the mythical harpies sans wings.  Ugly as shit on a stick.

The men are so large as to be useless to the world in general.  Their muscles have no purpose other than lifting and posing.  Whoooooopeeeee.  They can't get out of their own way.  No one I know of desires to look like these turgid turds.  Additionally, no one I  know desires a woman that  looks like a man.  What real man would want a woman that looks like a man? 

So that is what the IFBB and the NPC promote.  Big ass men and "women", filled with a panoply of drugs, unable to do anything but "pose", either on a stage or in private for schmoes.  Both organizations exist to make money off of bodydopers and do so by "promoting" the "sport" of bodydoping.  That is their primary goal, their business raison d'être.  So then, where does the money come from?

Not the general public.  They're too busy watching and participating in real sports, e.g. football, baseball, soccer, tennis, etc.  Who then, is the primary audience for bodydoping?  For the greater part, homosexuals.  To a lesser extent, the friends and families of bodydopers.  Don't believe me?  Go to a show and watch the audience.

Me?  I am no bodybuilder, but I do strive for physical excellence via weight training.  I'm more a physical culturist.  Old fashioned? Nah.  Good health, a decent physique never goes out of style.  Besides, looking and feeling good is...well, it's great!    Dopers don't have that feeling and so long as they're on the crap, they never will.  Never. 

And the IFBB and NPC could care less because there's always some neophyte druggie waiting in the wings, hoping to be the next Arnie.  There's money to be made.  Off of him.


 


GREAT post. I guess I am more of a physical culturist myself these days , I guess I always was ?? Did a 5 mile , 1 hr slow run-hike out on the trails of a lovely state park today for my workout, it was great. 70's and clear, and just beautiful and peaceful, felt really healthy puffing along.

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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2010, 08:21:39 PM »
It's not intended to "save" anything....

The elite competitors are getting older, because the bar has been raised over the years and it takes the average pro a lot longer to achieve that level...

The bar hasn't been raised, the rules have changed.  When Arnold & Haney were in their late 20's and winning Olympias, they looked great.  They didn't have the expanded midsections, torn muscles, and nerve damage you see onstage now with the older champions.  A guy like Phil Heath comes along and blows everyone away because he's a throwback to the days of younger competitors with a fresh, clean look that you don't see anymore.  The quality is gone.   

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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2010, 08:27:52 PM »
I remember the days when I was proud to be a bodybuilder and walked around with much confidence about my hobby that I took so seriously....Now, I have to feel ashamed or embarrassed about it. Due to most people assuming all bodybuilders are gay or have gay affiliations...
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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2010, 08:57:19 PM »
The bar hasn't been raised, the rules have changed.  When Arnold & Haney were in their late 20's and winning Olympias, they looked great.  They didn't have the expanded midsections, torn muscles, and nerve damage you see onstage now with the older champions.  A guy like Phil Heath comes along and blows everyone away because he's a throwback to the days of younger competitors with a fresh, clean look that you don't see anymore.  The quality is gone.   

You are correct, sir.  If I may, I should like to add another thought to yours. 

The bar has been lowered.

Bodydoping today is nothing less than a game of (moral) "Limbo".  How low will they go? By "they" I mean both the competitors and those running the "show"?  For example.  Given that the anthropomorphic throwback to one of man's earlier evolutionary mutations, known to all by the name "Kai Greene" won the Arnold "Crappic"  and given that he is a known molestor of grapefruit and who knows what other "fruits", I would say that the bar is lower than it has ever been.

In answer to the oft quoted saying, "It's only gay if you want it to be", I would reply:

Nah.  It's morally bankrupt, it's queer, it's weird, it's perverse, fake, artificial, and it's really disgusting.  What is "it"?  Bodydoping.

The skeletons of this canard ridden fetishist  "sport" aren't hiding in a closet, they're coming out of it. Squealing like the pigs they are.






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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2010, 06:22:26 AM »
You are correct, sir.  If I may, I should like to add another thought to yours. 

The bar has been lowered.

Bodydoping today is nothing less than a game of (moral) "Limbo".  How low will they go? By "they" I mean both the competitors and those running the "show"?  For example.  Given that the anthropomorphic throwback to one of man's earlier evolutionary mutations, known to all by the name "Kai Greene" won the Arnold "Crappic"  and given that he is a known molestor of grapefruit and who knows what other "fruits", I would say that the bar is lower than it has ever been.

In answer to the oft quoted saying, "It's only gay if you want it to be", I would reply:

Nah.  It's morally bankrupt, it's queer, it's weird, it's perverse, fake, artificial, and it's really disgusting.  What is "it"?  Bodydoping.

The skeletons of this canard ridden fetishist  "sport" aren't hiding in a closet, they're coming out of it. Squealing like the pigs they are.






Interesting read, and post. Good food for thought. Maybe the crazy bodybuilding uncle that once lived in the basement has come out into the living room for all to see?

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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2010, 10:55:21 AM »
I remember the days when I was proud to be a bodybuilder and walked around with much confidence about my hobby that I took so seriously....Now, I have to feel ashamed or embarrassed about it. Due to most people assuming all bodybuilders are gay or have gay affiliations...

Last weekend's Nationals is a good example.  Robert Burneika should never get a pro card.  Set the example right there and begin to select guys who have the right structure and shape for bodybuilding.

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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2010, 05:59:00 PM »
The bar has been lowered, not raised.

Even if bodybuilding is not a sport, treat it like one.

Who knows, maybe then people will come to believe that it is one...