anyone use zafa testonon ? just started a small course

[flinstones1]

some dude told me that using a filter needle will waste some of the gear though. Maybe thats why most dont use it.

[tstmaniac]

Most don't use it because needles are so small the glass shards will never make it through the needle

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

Most don't use it because needles are so small the glass shards will never make it through the needle

I've had this happen once..and wouldnt pass thru a 20G

[jerseymuscles113]

i've had amps break improperly leaving glass inside the oil more times then i can count(mostly from using a dull amp opener or not scoring enough) and i draw with a 20 or 23g and have never had A Problem

[MuscleMcMannus]

You don't know you have a problem.  But flintstones I think it was posted a very good article about glass shards and the risk of them going through your body and lodging in different areas.  They are tiny and can very easily pass through a needle when you're sucking up to oil.  So to say it's not necessary is stupid.  Why not prevent it if you can?  We are required to use a filter needle whenever we draw up diluadid from glass ampules at work.  It's a lot easier because that's a water based drug but there is a legit medical reason and safety measure inherent in using a filter needle. 

[4thAD]

You don't know you have a problem.  But flintstones I think it was posted a very good article about glass shards and the risk of them going through your body and lodging in different areas.  They are tiny and can very easily pass through a needle when you're sucking up to oil.  So to say it's not necessary is stupid.  Why not prevent it if you can?  We are required to use a filter needle whenever we draw up diluadid from glass ampules at work.  It's a lot easier because that's a water based drug but there is a legit medical reason and safety measure inherent in using a filter needle. 

I think this is good advice, and I think I will be using a filter from now on when using HG amps. I never really thought about the glass traveling and lodging somewhere else. Thats kinda scary. So, does the body eventually dissolve the glass shards, or does it just eventually wall them off? Good advice MM.

[MuscleMcMannus]

I think this is good advice, and I think I will be using a filter from now on when using HG amps. I never really thought about the glass traveling and lodging somewhere else. Thats kinda scary. So, does the body eventually dissolve the glass shards, or does it just eventually wall them off? Good advice MM.

I doubt the body breaks down the glass.  Im not sure.  Like I said I think flinstones posted a very good article about it on this site or over at BOS I don't remember.  But basically tiny almost microscopic pieces of glass can travel anywhere and get lodged in arterioles, capillaries, veins, of just about every organ.  It was very eye opening as I had no idea and didn't really think much about it.  But evidently it does and will happen to people who use ampules.  And remember lots of medicine other than steroids come in glass ampules in the medical field so I'm sure there have been problems associated with it.  Otherwise why go to the extra expense and trouble of using filters when drawing from a glass ampule.  I've never really seen pieces of ampule in any steroid oils but who knows.  They could be microscopic and maybe over time cause problems.  Hell that's one of the hallmark problems of diabetics........they can't control sugar......and sugar wreaks havoc on blood vessels by acting like "shards of glass". 

[flinstones1]

Glass ampules and filter needles: an example of implementing the sixth 'R' in medication administration
MedSurg Nursing, Oct, 2006 by Heidi G. Stein
Previous1234567Next ..Hazards Associated with Glass Ampules

Glass particulate contamination. Glass ampules are effective in preserving the purity and shelf life of liquid parenteral medications. Powdered preparations are rarely packaged in ampules. The composition of glass ampules is type 1 grade borosilicate glass, which can be clear or amber, and is scored either chemically or by metal etching (Sabon, Cheng, Stommel, & Hennen, 1989). Prescored ampules, which are usually colored around the neck, break easy without filing. They are available in a variety of sizes (1-10 ml), and with different types of stems (straight and closed) and tips (funnel, double, or fine) (DeLaune & Ladner, 2002).

Research confirmed the multiple potential problems associated with the use of ampules. After an ampule is broken, glass particles can contaminate the solution in the ampule (Furgang, 1974; Gillies, Thiel, & Oppenheim, 1985; Kempen, Sulkowski, & Sawyer, 1989; Preston & Hegadoren, 2004; Turco & Davis, 1972), causing inflammatory changes in both animals (Dorris et al., 1977; Stehbens & Florey, 1960) and humans (Garvan & Gunner, 1964). Glass ampules are not only a potential source of glass fragments but also a source of infectious agents which can contribute to granulomatous lesions in the lung, brain, spleen, and kidney (Garvan & Gunner, 1964). Studies using the animal model also have identified inflammatory changes in the venous endothelium (Dorris et al., 1977; Stehbens & Florey, 1960). With increased infusion time and concentration of particulate matter, reactions can become severe.

Bacterial contamination. Identifying bacteria-contaminated glass fragments (Kempen et al., 1989) prompted the recommendation for filter needles even though it was known that their use would not eliminate the problem entirely. A study by Zacher and coauthors (1991) identified that bacterial contamination through introduction of glass fragments into the drug solution can be minimized by swabbing the neck of the ampule with alcohol before breaking it. Microbial contamination also can occur when using ampules stored in dusty shelves, touched by dirty hands, or held in unsterile gauze, and from needles that come in contact with the external surface of the ampule during the process of withdrawing the drug (Kempen et al., 1989).

[Overload]

I have 3 MD's in my fiances family and one surgeon.

Never draw with anything larger in diameter than 21g.

My girl's brother is a cosmetic surgeon in Hollywood and he gave me a 30 minute explanation last night on how when glass fractures/breaks, it fractures at such sharp angles it makes the shards of glass impossible to pass through the cylinder pattern of a needle. He said the chances of drawing up a fragment of glass large enough to harm you is almost impossible with a 21g or smaller drawing needle. He said it would take a rock tumbler several days to smooth down a piece of glass enough to pass through a 21g or smaller needle. Any microscopic particles should not allow for any sort of infection.

I also had him read the above article and he said "many things have changed in the last 20 years" and that 99.99% of all injection infections are caused by improper handling of the produce and/or a poorly sanitized injection practice.

Just my .02

[tstmaniac]

I totally agree with you here...that's why I always draw up using a 23guage for amps

[flinstones1]

I totally agree with you here...that's why I always draw up using a 23guage for amps

filtered needle  not a 23g   even a 25g has still been shown to be capable of sucking up glass particles hazardous to one's health.

[tstmaniac]

filtered needle  not a 23g  even a 25g has still been shown to be capable of sucking up glass particles hazardous to one's health.

you are a moron newbie who thinks he knows everything because you read shit off of google...i have never had one problem and all i use is amps... you need to get some real life experience with steroids..how many cycles have you done? 2?

[flinstones1]

you are a moron newbie who thinks he knows everything because you read shit off of google...i have never had one problem and all i use is amps... you need to get some real life experience with steroids..how many cycles have you done? 2?

take a step back. Look at what you just said. If it does not look incredibly stupid to you I would be concerned.

What does real world experience have anything to do with the fact that filtered needles are superior to a 23g for drawing and the fact that it may still be dangerous to one's health.
I am sure you can inject chunks of glass and potentially not notice any problems but that does not mean there are smarter methods, no?

[tstmaniac]

I'm gonna go with what overload posted about this one...the chance of that happening is ridiculously small...I don't know anyone who uses them and I train at an iron gym with all bodybuilders...to each his own..

[MuscleMcMannus]

I'm gonna go with what overload posted about this one...the chance of that happening is ridiculously small...I don't know anyone who uses them and I train at an iron gym with all bodybuilders...to each his own..

Irongym with all bodybuilders............ ................oh brother........   As if what other meat heads are doing in the gym means fuck all??? I know plenty of guys that reuse needles.  Just because you train at a gym with bodybuilders you're opinion matters? 

[jerseymuscles113]

great another post that's gonna get ruined with non informative bickerin an It normally seems to be the same morons.....i've never experienced or heard of anyone having problems with out using filters...i'm close friends with many ppl that use gear and run many cycles...i think if It was a problem someone would have some type of horror story about It an i honestly have never heard any...if you think its a problem then use a filter if you don't think you need One then don't use It...there are more important things to concern Your self with...like getting regular bloodwork, on and off cycle, somethin most people really don't do regardless of what they "claim"

[tstmaniac]

I totally agree..has anyone on this board ever even here of a horror story with glass shards? Mcfaggot, I train with some pretty knowledgable people..don't stereotype people that go to iron gyms to all be meatheads

[youandme]

I'd feel safer cracking an amp open then popping the top off  of ugl gear.

[Van_Bilderass]

Sort of related. Anyone remember when IP had a warning about multi-dose vials in his list? 

the rubber in vials are magnet to germs as its porous -pours means small microscopic holes thats germs seek refugee

its common practice to load up ug vials with BB or BA to stop the germs

but BB/BA desolve the rubber both in vial and plunger , just add a drop of BA or BB to stoper and see it melts , then you inject that into your body , used often body infected with silicon ruber result in cancer in long run , nore kiling bacteria remove thier pyrogens



compare to 10ml rebottled with air inside already , and you injecting more of contaminant such as dust and pyrogens each time into it and back into your body ,loaded with BA so you inject silicon rubber into your body each time and God know what impurites the raw material had to begin with

bigger vial means you stick needle in out more so is chance of contamination , but guys think injectables are like a pepsi bottle , bigger ones are better deal !

hard truth about BA/BB :

4 of our customers diagnosed with cancer , one is a IFBB and my friend , cancer ended his career

thier doctors all diagnosed same thing :

thier body infected with rubber from syrenge plunger and vial stopper which desolved by BB/BA

just add few DROPS of %3 BB + %15 BA you recomanding on plunger rubber and leave it for a short while and see it get stuck ,take rubber out and inpect it , you see it desolved ,then you inject that rubber into your body day after day , week after week

thier doctor all said same thing : that lead to cancer and there is no cure for it

maybe thats why according to FDA max safe limit for either or combined BB/BA is only %1 ,any higher do not exist as medicine aproved for injection to human body

we used to make up to 400 mg oils with BB/BA before anyone else but the stuff killing my friends , i can not do this again to anyone ,test our oil , its free of BB and BA


as for tren go , few of my guys kiney failed on tren , kidney do not regenerate like liver so there is no cure

Dan duchaine died because of tren , he choose death rather then going through painfull daily dialysis for rest of his life , dialysis is machine with 2 hoses and 2 huge nail size needle into your sides , then all your blood go into machine to be cleaned , the huge daily IV needle pain and hours it take and get infections after a while with all the hosses and needles going in and out , thats your life to be atached to machine ,if rich you buy machine and keep with you , if not you move near hospital and hope you have good insurance , thats what they tell me ..

tren is worlds most toxic steroid , its not like test which you can inject 1000 mg and only get water ,tren will kill your kidney , thats why it designed to be used at low doses only , if you need more efects from tren stack it with winy or test

steroids can kill you directly like tren or indirectly through all the rubber you injecting into your body

also tren needs BA to go over 75 mg so you get kidney poisen and cancer in one bottle , you want to see emails of MY CUSTOMER with Failed liver

we are worlds first UG producer for over a decade , worlds first 50mg winy when only other was 2.5 mg , first bulk oil , superstuff 400 mg and above which we dont deal with anymore ,we did and seen it all , guys say ug stuff better and dosed higher , have you seen how much is 500 mg ? its tea spoon of powder , now have you seen how big is 1ml of oil ? ,that much powder dont desolve in 1ml of oil unless cancer causeing BA /BB added ,its been said pain caused by alchohls Ba but thats not only cause , too much powder and not enough oil so it crystalize in your ars , powder are tiny crystals which are sharp object and oil gone so turn to a knott in ars cause pain , .. so after first batch they hear complaints and water it down but that 500 mg lable stays so you be sucker .. first batch tested high so sales not efected but at the end you are sucker , guys crying in pain dont help sales.. as for test anything over 285 mg is asking for it so we dont .. tren , primo etc all have low solibility below 100 mg .. we dont use cancer causing alchohls and no superdose cancer bottles

Amps will kill you but so will vials. 

[tstmaniac]

I'd like to see some proof of people getting fucked up from amps...I'm sure it can happen just like its possible you can get struck by lightning...I've just never heard of it