Fedor Vs Minotauro (Robot Vs Zombie).

[Mussolini]

I would not rank Alistar as #1 based on the competition he has faced.  However, if you were to ask me who I thought would win in an Alistar vs. any one heavyweight, I would tell you that he would beat all of them except for Cain.

Yes because anyone who looks good against the likes of James Thompson and a 42 year old Fujita is certainly a world beater . Forget the fact that he has lost to virtually ever top 10 fighter he has ever faced save for a mentally distraught Vitor Belfort.

Overeem is the text book definition of a can smasher. Watch any of his fights against a worthy opponent. He gasses after 2-3 minutes and loses. Because he looked good against Thompson doesnt change the fact that he gets owned whenever he fights a decent opponent.

[che]

Yes because anyone who looks good against the likes of James Thompson and a 42 year old Fujita is certainly a world beater . Forget the fact that he has lost to virtually ever top 10 fighter he has ever faced save for a mentally distraught Vitor Belfort.

Overeem is the text book definition of a can smasher. Watch any of his fights against a worthy opponent. He gasses after 2-3 minutes and loses. Because he looked good against Thompson doesnt change the fact that he gets owned whenever he fights a decent opponent.

QFT

 Mindspin started watching MMA when TUF season 4 came on the air .

Obviously Mindspin doesn't know shit about MMA .
Haha ,Oh brother 

''Brock Lesnar (No. 1 HW) vs. Cain Velasquez (No. 4 HW) - this is tough pic.  It's hard to predict how Lesnar will react to Cains pressure after 4-5 rounds.  If this goes past the 3rd, I think Cain wins on points with a boring fight.  That said, I think Lesnar will end this with a 2nd round TKO''.
                                                                                Mindspin

[suckmymuscle]

I wasn't referring to the ex UFC champs, which were all cut from the UFC for poor performance.

  Do you really follow MMA? Seriously? Dana White flew to Chicago trying to convince Arlovski to stay in the UFC. He actually said that in all of his years as promoter, Arlovski is the only guy he didn't want to leave that left. Tim Sylvia wasn't cut either. Rather, he was starting some personal business and didn't want to accept the contract the UFC was offering him. But they did offer him a contract to resign. As for Mark Coleman, I will give you this one. But still Coleman had been the UFC heavyweight champ less than two years before and he was a very lean 250 lbs compared to Fedor's chubby 230 lbs and Fedor still decimated him. Coleman was only a little past his prime when he fought Fedor. You make it seem like he was a 60 year old arthritic loser when he fought Fedor which is not true.

I was referring to all of the Pride guys that Fedor beat.  Most came to the UFC and when they did, they had their asses handed to them...

  The explanation for this is very simple: they were way past their prime. What about Shogun becoming the UFC's light-heavyweight champion? He was a PRIDE guy you know. This clearly shows that it is age that made these PRIDE guys suck in the UFC and not skill. Rampage, a PRIDE guy, almost killed Mr.UFC Chuck Liddel back in PRIDE. You can't compare the Nogueira and Crocop of 2010 with the ones from 2003. And BTW, a way past his prime Nogueira destroyed the most legendary UFC light-heavyweight and heavyweight champion, Randy Couture, at UFC 102. If a past prime Nog could do that, imagine how great he was back in 2003 when Fedor dominated him thoroughly. Lol.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[AC Slater]

another brutal owning for mindspin any time he opens his mouth about mma.

awaiting his WeightPSHR gimmick to come defend him

[MindSpin]

Arlovski and Tim were not cut fool, they left on their own accord. Keep talking, arguing with you is like taking candy from a baby.

Fedor with wins over Arona, Babalu, Schilt, Goodridge, Coleman x2, Randleman, Nogx2, Cro Cop, Arlovski, Sylvia is a Can crusher but Overeem who has lost to almost every top 10 figher he fought at LHW and who's best wins at HW are vs James Thomspson and Fujita is the Best fighter on the planet.

When it comes to MMA knowledge, Mindspin is a wisdom fighter

LOL....you keep listing Babalu on there.  That's a perfect example of how weak Fedor is.  He fought a ligh-heavy weight and couldn't finish him!  Babalu took him to a decision.  This is the same guy Chuck Liddell KOd 2x. 

He fought another smaller guy recently...Matt Linland...a middle weight   What's "the world's greatest heavyweight" doing fighting a middle weight   Oh, and Matt beat Fedor ass so badly, Fedor had to cheat by grabbing the fence to avoid the take down

I've seen almost every one of Fedor's fights.  You're not teaching me anything son.

[MindSpin]

 Do you really follow MMA? Seriously? Dana White flew to Chicago trying to convince Arlovski to stay in the UFC. He actually said that in all of his years as promoter, Arlovski is the only guy he didn't want to leave that left. Tim Sylvia wasn't cut either. Rather, he was starting some personal business and didn't want to accept the contract the UFC was offering him. But they did offer him a contract to resign. As for Mark Coleman, I will give you this one. But still Coleman had been the UFC heavyweight champ less than two years before and he was a very lean 250 lbs compared to Fedor's chubby 230 lbs and Fedor still decimated him. Coleman was only a little past his prime when he fought Fedor. You make it seem like he was a 60 year old arthritic loser when he fought Fedor which is not true.

  The explanation for this is very simple: they were way past their prime. What about Shogun becoming the UFC's light-heavyweight champion? He was a PRIDE guy you know. This clearly shows that it is age that made these PRIDE guys suck in the UFC and not skill. Rampage, a PRIDE guy, almost killed Mr.UFC Chuck Liddel back in PRIDE. You can't compare the Nogueira and Crocop of 2010 with the ones from 2003. And BTW, a way past his prime Nogueira destroyed the most legendary UFC light-heavyweight and heavyweight champion, Randy Couture, at UFC 102. If a past prime Nog could do that, imagine how great he was back in 2003 when Fedor dominated him thoroughly. Lol.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

LOL...you talk as though you're some sort of insider  You're just another obsessed fan boy that can't handle the fact that Pride is over and Fedor got exposed...lol.

[MindSpin]

QFT

 Mindspin started watching MMA when TUF season 4 came on the air .

Obviously Mindspin doesn't know shit about MMA .
Haha ,Oh brother 

''Brock Lesnar (No. 1 HW) vs. Cain Velasquez (No. 4 HW) - this is tough pic.  It's hard to predict how Lesnar will react to Cains pressure after 4-5 rounds.  If this goes past the 3rd, I think Cain wins on points with a boring fight.  That said, I think Lesnar will end this with a 2nd round TKO''.
                                                                                Mindspin

ha ha...that's actually a good pwning right there...you got me on that one.

[epic_alien]

and one of the most impressive things about fedor, is that he is natural, and beat allot of guys who werent,

not that im a natty guy, but it is impressive that he doesnt use it even though he could

[DK II]

and one of the most impressive things about fedor, is that he is natural, and beat allot of guys who werent,

not that im a natty guy, but it is impressive that he doesnt use it even though he could

 

[suckmymuscle]

LOL...you talk as though you're some sort of insider

  Yeah, this coming from the guy who claims to know several MMA stars. Lol.

You're just another obsessed fan boy that can't handle the fact that Pride is over and Fedor got exposed...lol.

  Yes, PRIDE is over and it is a shame because it was truly much better than the UFC. The UFC is like a tiny league next to PRIDE. I mean, PRIDE drew crowds of up to 50,000 people compared to the paultry 5,000 that watch the UFC live events. Lol. And even though the UFC might be watched by more people than PRIDE was, which is debatable, the fact is that PRIDE was truly global and watched in all of East Asia, Europe and Latin America. The UFC is American and that's it.

  As for Fedor getting exposed, what happened to him could have happened to Cain, Brock, Carwin and all the other UFC champs. He made a mistake and got caught in a submission by the guy who is the World champion at this. What did Fedor's defeat to Werdum prove? That the latter can out grapple Fedor? We already knew that before the fight. We already knew that Fedor could get submitted if he went into Werdum's guard and tried to grapple with him. So Fedor, an MMA fighter, loses a grappling match against the grappling World champion. Who cares? I don't. The bottom line is that as an MMA fighter Fedor is better than Werdum and ordinarly he would have beaten him. Even Werdum agrees. Lol.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[kevcat]

Damn Suckymuscle with too many good points here 
Funny how Mindspin rooted for Lesnar, but now that Cain is the HW champion he suddenly thinks hes now the best in the world  WOW talk about glory hunting

[JP_RC]

 Do you really follow MMA? Seriously? Dana White flew to Chicago trying to convince Arlovski to stay in the UFC. He actually said that in all of his years as promoter, Arlovski is the only guy he didn't want to leave that left. Tim Sylvia wasn't cut either. Rather, he was starting some personal business and didn't want to accept the contract the UFC was offering him. But they did offer him a contract to resign. As for Mark Coleman, I will give you this one. But still Coleman had been the UFC heavyweight champ less than two years before and he was a very lean 250 lbs compared to Fedor's chubby 230 lbs and Fedor still decimated him. Coleman was only a little past his prime when he fought Fedor. You make it seem like he was a 60 year old arthritic loser when he fought Fedor which is not true.

  The explanation for this is very simple: they were way past their prime. What about Shogun becoming the UFC's light-heavyweight champion? He was a PRIDE guy you know. This clearly shows that it is age that made these PRIDE guys suck in the UFC and not skill. Rampage, a PRIDE guy, almost killed Mr.UFC Chuck Liddel back in PRIDE. You can't compare the Nogueira and Crocop of 2010 with the ones from 2003. And BTW, a way past his prime Nogueira destroyed the most legendary UFC light-heavyweight and heavyweight champion, Randy Couture, at UFC 102. If a past prime Nog could do that, imagine how great he was back in 2003 when Fedor dominated him thoroughly. Lol.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Good points.

I always thought the Pride fighters were better than the UFC guys too.

[spinnis]

Good points.

I always thought the Pride fighters were better than the UFC guys too.

Keep in mind  they could juice how much they wanted also  (which is why some fighers had a Huge decline when enterting ufc imo. (Wand is a good example still good but NOT that insane agression he had in pride)

[JP_RC]

Keep in mind  they could juice how much they wanted also  (which is why some fighers had a Huge decline when enterting ufc imo. (Wand is a good example still good but NOT that insane agression he had in pride)

The fights back in Pride were so great, maybe it had to do with the juice thing as you pointed out.

Some UFC guys did great in Pride too, I remember Don Frye and his crazy fight with that chinese guy.

But I also remember the undefeated Gracie getting beat by Sakuraba.

[MindSpin]

  Yeah, this coming from the guy who claims to know several MMA stars. Lol.

  Yes, PRIDE is over and it is a shame because it was truly much better than the UFC. The UFC is like a tiny league next to PRIDE. I mean, PRIDE drew crowds of up to 50,000 people compared to the paultry 5,000 that watch the UFC live events. Lol. And even though the UFC might be watched by more people than PRIDE was, which is debatable, the fact is that PRIDE was truly global and watched in all of East Asia, Europe and Latin America. The UFC is American and that's it.

  As for Fedor getting exposed, what happened to him could have happened to Cain, Brock, Carwin and all the other UFC champs. He made a mistake and got caught in a submission by the guy who is the World champion at this. What did Fedor's defeat to Werdum prove? That the latter can out grapple Fedor? We already knew that before the fight. We already knew that Fedor could get submitted if he went into Werdum's guard and tried to grapple with him. So Fedor, an MMA fighter, loses a grappling match against the grappling World champion. Who cares? I don't. The bottom line is that as an MMA fighter Fedor is better than Werdum and ordinarly he would have beaten him. Even Werdum agrees. Lol.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I do know several MMA fighters who fight for both the UFC and Strike Force. My BJJ coach is a Strike Force light weight.

And, sure, Pride was so much better, that is nearly went bankrupt and the UFC bought them....lol.  You're an imbecile

[Darren Avey]

I know MMA fighters too, i know James Thompson whos a really cool guy especially when drunk and on coke! And i know Jamie Hearn who does suck!!

[spinnis]

I know MMA fighters too, i know James Thompson whos a really cool guy especially when drunk and on coke! And i know Jamie Hearn who does suck!!

Not the best fighter these days but FUCK, that dude High on coke and drunk and getting angry over something lol. who the fuck is gonna stop that dude on your average bar lol.

[suckmymuscle]

I do know several MMA fighters who fight for both the UFC and Strike Force. My BJJ coach is a Strike Force light weight.

  Where is the evidence, retard? Prove it or you are just a tap out shirt wearing moron who's whole MMA experience revolves around watching the Ultimate Fighter.

And, sure, Pride was so much better, that is nearly went bankrupt and the UFC bought them....lol.  You're an imbecile

  Meltdown from a fairie who has been getting owned by me multiple times over and over again. What has the financial success of PRIDE got to do with how good it was a promotion? It went bankrupt because of the Yakuza scandal, you moron. It had nothing to do with it's popularity. You are so idiotic that even when PRIDE went under in 2007 it's ratings were still higher than the UFC and it was watched in far more countries. The UFC doesen't exist outside the U.S, Canada dn England. Understand this moron.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[dragonfist]

I do know several MMA fighters who fight for both the UFC and Strike Force. My BJJ coach is a Strike Force light weight.

And, sure, Pride was so much better, that is nearly went bankrupt and the UFC bought them....lol.  You're an imbecile

UFC was bankrupt when the Fertittas bought it, and again before the Ultimate fighter.  The reality show basically saved the UFC.

[Mr Nobody]

I'd whip all these hos asses.  I just don't want to be around other dudes in their skivvies. I'm straight like that.

I think a exorcism is in order BDB.

[MindSpin]

  Where is the evidence, retard? Prove it or you are just a tap out shirt wearing moron who's whole MMA experience revolves around watching the Ultimate Fighter.

  Meltdown from a fairie who has been getting owned by me multiple times over and over again. What has the financial success of PRIDE got to do with how good it was a promotion? It went bankrupt because of the Yakuza scandal, you moron. It had nothing to do with it's popularity. You are so idiotic that even when PRIDE went under in 2007 it's ratings were still higher than the UFC and it was watched in far more countries. The UFC doesen't exist outside the U.S, Canada dn England. Understand this moron.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

When all you have left is name calling, you know you've been pwn3d severely...lol. 

You want me to provide proof that I know some UFC & StrikeForce guys?  Oh brother  

And you ask what does financial success have to do with how good a promotion is...uh, how about everything!  The UFC is financially better, because it puts on better shows, has the best fighters and is a legit organization.  Pride blurred the lines between real fighting and fake wrestling, they made up fake bios about their fighters, they constantly had all sorts of freak show matches and they were suspect of fight fixing, which is where the whole Yakuza scandal comes into play.

[suckmymuscle]

When all you have left is name calling, you know you've been pwn3d severely...lol.  

You want me to provide proof that I know some UFC & StrikeForce guys?  Oh brother

 

  You are the one who started with the insults calling me imbecile. Pot, kettle, black.

And you ask what does financial success have to do with how good a promotion is...uh, how about everything!  The UFC is financially better, because it puts on better shows, has the best fighters and is a legit organization.  Pride blurred the lines between real fighting and fake wrestling, they made up fake bios about their fighters, they constantly had all sorts of freak show matches and they were suspect of fight fixing, which is where the whole Yakuza scandal comes into play.

  You are assuming that the only reason why not enough people watched it and it went bankrupt is because it was bad. Their problem was that they couldn't promote the show very well outside Japan. They paid a lot to their fighters(Fedor is a millionaire) and spent lots of money on the production(PRIDE production >>>>>>>>>>>>>> UFC production) and they never were successful in getting open channels outside Japan to show it. It was only on cable channels in other countries. They also never could make it into open channels in the U.S which is the biggest market. Everywhere where PRIDE was shown, it was a huge success, but it was shown to little people. Eventually, the money they spent on putting on the shows and paying the fighters was greater than the revenues and they went under. The Yakuza scandal further weakened it and investors left leaving them with debts they couldn't honor.

  But this doesen't take away from PRIDE being much better than the UFC as an MMA show and entertainment. Conversely, the UFC has the huge U.S market and they were masters in promoting the UFC even buying their own T.V station. This, combined with the fact that the UFC lets it's fighters starve and that they spend less than 5% of what PRIDE spent on it's prioduction explains why the UFC is alive and PRIDE is dead. You truly know nothing, are a retard of colossal dimensions and should be demoded as mod in the MMA board and replaced by me because you know nothing.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[FREAKgeek]

I would not rank Alistar as #1 based on the competition he has faced.  However, if you were to ask me who I thought would win in an Alistar vs. any one heavyweight, I would tell you that he would beat all of them except for Cain.

This is the same guy just this summer who thought Fedor had zero competition outside the UFC.