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G-20 rejection leaves U.S. to go it alone
« on: November 12, 2010, 07:38:23 PM »
Hmmm, ...this does not look good.  :'(

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/sc-dc-g20-summit-20101112,0,4056342.story

G-20 rejection leaves U.S. to go it alone

By Don Lee, John M. Glionna and Christi Parsons, Los Angeles Times

November 12, 2010|1:30 p.m.

G-20 summit leaders refused to assist the U.S. when they rejected a U.S. proposal to set limits on trade surpluses and deficits, and also turned down a U.S. effort to force China to raise the value of its currency.

Reporting from Seoul, South Korea —

The Group of 20 summit ended Friday with a declaration of broad principles but no commitment to immediate action, signaling that the United States will have to go it alone in dealing with its fragile economy and near-double digit unemployment.

In their final declaration, leaders of the world's most powerful economies pledged to work together and to refrain from protectionism and competitive devaluation of currencies. They also agreed to take steps to promote growth in low-income countries.

But when it came to specifics, a U.S. proposal to set numerical limits on trade surpluses and deficits was rejected. Leaders of the world's 20 biggest economies pledged only to develop "indicative guidelines" to assess imbalances in the first half of next year.

They also refused to endorse a U.S. effort to force China to raise the value of its currency.

"Any sense of global solidarity looks to have been yesterday's story," said Tim Condon, chief economist at ING Financial Markets in Singapore.

Essentially, that left the administration — along with American workers, families and businesses — to shoulder the challenge and the likely pain of trying to solve the nation's economic problems on its own.

" Obama is now in a position where he must be prepared to act unilaterally to reduce the trade deficit and to shore up U.S. industrial and technological competitiveness or risk losing not only the presidency in two years, but also the American dream,"  said Clyde Prestowitz, a former Reagan administration trade negotiator and now president of the Economic Strategy Institute in Washington.

There are several possible scenarios going forward.

One is that the exporting giants, including China, Germany, South Korea, and Japan, could change their positions: If U.S. economic growth remains low, unemployment high and incomes stagnant, consumers could cut back on their purchases of imported goods — a development that could hit the exporting nations hard because there is no alternative market right now to absorb their output.

If demand for their products drops, the leaders who humbled Obama in Seoul might decide it was in their interest to do more to bolster the U.S. economy.

Another possibility is that American consumers will return to their free-spending ways — as a recent surge in imports suggest they might. That will mean more credit-card and other debt, as well as a potential for another financial crisis, unless consumers' spending power also accelerated. With unemployment seemingly stuck near 10% and businesses guarding their profit margins, a hefty round of salary increases looks like a long-shot.

A third possible scenario, and perhaps the most likely, is that the U.S. economy will continue to struggle, growing slowly in an atmosphere of high joblessness and belt-tightening for government and ordinary Americans alike.

Certainly there are things Obama and the federal government could do to brighten future prospects.

Many economists believe the United States could bolster its competitiveness in the global economy by investing more in research and education. But the benefits would be relatively long-term and would take new federal spending.

Given the prospect for partisan gridlock between the White House and emboldened congressional Republicans, such spending seems unlikely.

Even without congressional approval, there are other tools Obama could use.

He could cite China as a currency manipulator, if Beijing doesn't move more quickly in adjusting its undervalued yuan, setting in motion a process that could lead to sanctions. His administration could apply tariffs unilaterally on certain imports, or undertake a "Buy American" program, as Ohio has essentially done for government business.

But such actions are fraught with political as well as economic risks. As British Prime Minister David Cameron warned Thursday, they could lead to a dangerous return to what happened in the 1930s when trade barriers, currency wars and other selfish actions by countries prolonged the global depression.

Although nations now have the tools to reduce the intensity of the standoff, the possibility of a currency war "absolutely" remains, said Brazilian Finance Minister Guido Mantega upon the conclusion of the two-day summit.

Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper expressed similar concern, saying, " G-20 credibility does depend on showing results ... we cannot get out of this with beggar-thy-neighbor policies."

Obama sought to put an optimistic face on prospects for the future.

"Sometimes I think naturally there's an instinct to focus on the disagreements," the president said, when in fact "in each of these successive summits we've actually made progress."

He said there was not a lot of discussion about the Federal Reserve's recent plan to pump $600 billion into the U.S. financial system — effectively printing billions of dollars to spur U.S. growth.

The move has been widely criticized by other countries as a tactic to suppress the value of the dollar to help American exporters compete, though currency and other policies in the leading exporting nations are also designed to help their own economies.

America's large public debts and fiscal deficits also drew fire, especially with fiscally conservative nations such as Germany, which resisted U.S. pressure for high-saving nations to step up their consumption. Even stalwart American allies United Kingdom and Canada were reluctant to support stronger U.S. language in the declaration on rebalancing, given their own domestic commitments to fiscal restraint despite resistance from their people.

"I think it was always clear that the G-20 would be able to do little concrete on the imbalances, and it has indeed kicked the problem down the road," said Raghuram Rajan, a University of Chicago finance professor and former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund, which the G-20 has enlisted to help assess economic imbalances.

"The reality is that every large country will do what it thinks is best for its own agenda, and any help they offer one another will be indirect," Rajan said. "In the medium term, these agendas could converge, but the medium term is too long for political comfort."

Ethan Kim of the Los Angeles Times Seoul bureau contributed to this report.

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Re: G-20 rejection leaves U.S. to go it alone
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2010, 08:03:22 PM »
i think its likely that we will be fine, with the reps winning big in the elections theres a good chance that the bush tax cuts will get extended or that a favorable business tax package will be passed.

This coupled with the halting of any further legislation by obama that injects more uncertainty into businesses than he already has over the last 2 yrs means they will hopefully spend the butt load of capital they have accrued over the past couple years...

QE2 keeps interest rates low and the dollar low which helps US stocks and exports

think of this as more of positive than negative, we really dont want to get into any trade wars with anyone anyhow it would only serve to hinder our collective recoveries.

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Re: G-20 rejection leaves U.S. to go it alone
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2010, 09:27:44 PM »
i'd say.... let's tell them to get on board, or be ready for war!!!

What's the worst that can happen?  China's military is a joke.  It's not like they are able to elude our defenses and shoot icbm's into our backyard, right fellahs?

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Re: G-20 rejection leaves U.S. to go it alone
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2010, 10:24:06 PM »
i'd say.... let's tell them to get on board, or be ready for war!!!

What's the worst that can happen?  China's military is a joke.  It's not like they are able to elude our defenses and shoot icbm's into our backyard, right fellahs?

What's the worst that can happen 240?!?!?!!?!?!??! Your ass will be nuked into oblivion that's what. Lemme hear how many in america are willing to die in a nuclear war of this matter? (chirp chirp CRICKETS).. You honestly think that war can resolve something like this? America is the most pathetic of so called war nations ever. You have had your ass handed to you in Vietnam, busted in Korea, it has been twenty years and trillions spent on Iraq, you're being slaughtered in Afghanistan, WWII was a joke where america started it then entered into it LATE when the war was practically over , etc etc. Now you want to THREATEN CHINA?!?!?!!?!?!?!!!?..... Here is a quote from the news about China dealing with america in a nuclear war where it said it would nuke hundreds of american cities if attacked.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Chinese_General_threatens_U.S._with_nuclear_weapons_over_possible_Taiwan_Strait_conflict,_Beijing_downplays_comment
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Re: G-20 rejection leaves U.S. to go it alone
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2010, 10:28:37 PM »
i think its likely that we will be fine, with the reps winning big in the elections theres a good chance that the bush tax cuts will get extended or that a favorable business tax package will be passed.

This coupled with the halting of any further legislation by obama that injects more uncertainty into businesses than he already has over the last 2 yrs means they will hopefully spend the butt load of capital they have accrued over the past couple years...

QE2 keeps interest rates low and the dollar low which helps US stocks and exports

think of this as more of positive than negative, we really dont want to get into any trade wars with anyone anyhow it would only serve to hinder our collective recoveries.

That's the theory, ...but so far we haven't seen it's intended fruition.
Plus all the uncertainty is only delaying any possible recovery, ...if such a thing is even possible.  :-\
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Re: G-20 rejection leaves U.S. to go it alone
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2010, 10:30:46 PM »
What's the worst that can happen 240?!?!?!!?!?!??! Your ass will be nuked into oblivion that's what. Lemme hear how many in america are willing to die in a nuclear war of this matter? (chirp chirp CRICKETS).. You honestly think that war can resolve something like this? America is the most pathetic of so called war nations ever. You have had your ass handed to you in Vietnam, busted in Korea, it has been twenty years and trillions spent on Iraq, you're being slaughtered in Afghanistan, WWII was a joke where america started it then entered into it LATE when the war was practically over , etc etc. Now you want to THREATEN CHINA?!?!?!!?!?!?!!!?..... Here is a quote from the news about China dealing with america in a nuclear war where it said it would nuke hundreds of american cities if attacked.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Chinese_General_threatens_U.S._with_nuclear_weapons_over_possible_Taiwan_Strait_conflict,_Beijing_downplays_comment

Samson relax, 240 is much smarter than that. I think he's just trying to stimulate conversation,
...not to mention outting all the idiots who prefer to hide their heads in the sand while chanting "We're #1"
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Re: G-20 rejection leaves U.S. to go it alone
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2010, 12:01:22 AM »
What's the worst that can happen 240?!?!?!!?!?!??! Your ass will be nuked into oblivion that's what. Lemme hear how many in america are willing to die in a nuclear war of this matter? (chirp chirp CRICKETS).. You honestly think that war can resolve something like this? America is the most pathetic of so called war nations ever. You have had your ass handed to you in Vietnam, busted in Korea, it has been twenty years and trillions spent on Iraq, you're being slaughtered in Afghanistan, WWII was a joke where america started it then entered into it LATE when the war was practically over , etc etc. Now you want to THREATEN CHINA?!?!?!!?!?!?!!!?..... Here is a quote from the news about China dealing with america in a nuclear war where it said it would nuke hundreds of american cities if attacked.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Chinese_General_threatens_U.S._with_nuclear_weapons_over_possible_Taiwan_Strait_conflict,_Beijing_downplays_comment

 hahahahah you're right, I heard they had 3 f22 have fallen and can't fight shit lol