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DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« on: November 27, 2010, 08:26:19 AM »
Homeland Security seizes domain names
By Sara Jerome - 11/26/10 04:25 PM ET
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The investigative arm of the Homeland Security Department appears to be shutting down websites that facilitate copyright infringement.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has seized dozens of domain names over the past few days, according to TorrentFreak.

 ICE appears to be targeting sites that help Internet users download copyrighted music, as well as sites that sell bootleg goods, such as fake designer handbags.

The sites are replaced with a note from the government: "This domain named has been seized by ICE, Homeland Security Investigations."

For instance, 2009jersey.com, 51607.com, and amoyhy.com have each been seized.

One of the site owners told TorrentFreak that his site was shut down without any notice or warning.

The effort come as Congress considers the Combatting Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act (COICA). Critics, including Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) say it is too heavy-handed. He has vowed to put a formal hold on the bill.


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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2010, 08:34:29 AM »
U.S. Government Seizes BitTorrent Search Engine Domain and More
Written by enigmax on November 26, 2010 



Following on the heels of this week’s domain seizure of a large hiphop file-sharing links forum, it’s clear today that the U.S. Government has been very busy. Without any need for COICA, ICE has just seized the domain of a BitTorrent meta-search engine along with those belonging to other music linking sites and several others which appear to be connected to physical counterfeit goods.

While complex, it’s still possible for U.S. authorities and copyright groups to point at a fully-fledged BitTorrent site with a tracker and say “that’s an infringing site.” When one looks at a site which hosts torrents but operates no tracker, the finger pointing becomes quite a bit more difficult.

When a site has no tracker, carries no torrents, lists no copyright works unless someone searches for them and responds just like Google, accusing it of infringement becomes somewhat of a minefield – unless you’re ICE Homeland Security Investigations that is.

This morning, visitors to the Torrent-Finder.com site are greeted with an ominous graphic which indicates that ICE have seized the site’s domain.

The message below is posted on the seized sites


“My domain has been seized without any previous complaint or notice from any court!” the exasperated owner of Torrent-Finder told TorrentFreak this morning.

“I firstly had DNS downtime. While I was contacting GoDaddy I noticed the DNS had changed. Godaddy had no idea what was going on and until now they do not understand the situation and they say it was totally from ICANN,” he explained.

Aside from the fact that domains are being seized seemingly at will, there is a very serious problem with the action against Torrent-Finder. Not only does the site not host or even link to any torrents whatsoever, it actually only returns searches through embedded iframes which display other sites that are not under the control of the Torrent-Finder owner.

Torrent-Finder remains operational through another URL, Torrent-Finder.info, so feel free to check it out for yourself. The layouts of the sites it searches are clearly visible in the results shown.

Yesterday we reported that the domain of hiphop site RapGodFathers had been seized and today we can reveal that they are not on their own. Two other music sites in the same field – OnSmash.com and DaJaz1.com – have fallen to the same fate. But ICE activities don’t end there.

Several other domains also appear to have been seized including 2009jerseys.com, nfljerseysupply.com, throwbackguy.com, cartoon77.com, lifetimereplicas.com, handbag9.com, handbagcom.com and dvdprostore.com.

All seized sites point to the same message.

Domain seizures coming under the much debated ‘censorship bill’ COICA? Who needs it?

Update: Below is an longer list of domains that were apparently seized. Most of the sites relate to counterfeit goods. We assume that the authorities had a proper warrant for these sites (as they had for RapGodFathers yesterday), but were unable to confirm this.

Update: A spokeswoman for ICE confirmed the seizures in the following statement. “ICE office of Homeland Security Investigations executed court-ordered seizure warrants against a number of domain names. As this is an ongoing investigation, there are no additional details available at this time.”

2009jerseys.com
51607.com
amoyhy.com
b2corder.com
bishoe.com
borntrade.com
borntrade.net
boxedtvseries.com
boxset4less.com
boxsetseries.com
burberryoutletshop.com
cartoon77.com
cheapscarfshop.com
coachoutletfactory.com
dajaz1.com
discountscarvesonsale.co m
dvdcollectionsale.com
dvdcollects.com
dvdorderonline.com
dvdprostore.com
dvdscollection.com
dvdsetcollection.com
dvdsetsonline.com
dvdsuperdeal.com
eluxury-outlet.com
getdvdset.com
gofactoryoutlet.com
golfstaring.com
golfwholesale18.com
handbag9.com
handbagcom.com
handbagspop.com
icqshoes.com
ipodnanouk.com
jersey-china.com
jerseyclubhouse.com
jordansbox.com
lifetimereplicas.com
louis-vuitton-outlet-store.com
lv-outlets.com
lv-outlets.net
lv-outletstore.com
massnike.com
merrytimberland.com
mycollects.com
mydreamwatches.com
mygolfwholesale.com
newstylerolex.com
nfljerseysupply.com
nibdvd.com
odvdo.com
oebags.com
onsmash.com
overbestmall.com
rapgodfathers.com
realtimberland.com
rmx4u.com
scarfonlineshop.com
scarfviponsale.com
shawls-store.com
silkscarf-shop.com
silkscarfonsale.com
skyergolf.com
sohob2b.com
sohob2c.com
storeofeast.com
stuff-trade.com
sunglasses-mall.com
sunogolf.com
tbl-sports.com
throwbackguy.com
tiesonsale.com
timberlandlike.com
topabuy.com
torrent-finder.com
usaburberryscarf.com
usaoutlets.net

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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2010, 12:06:15 PM »
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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2010, 06:20:21 PM »
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so as an attorney or even just a regular citizen you don't have a problem with copyright infringement?

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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2010, 06:24:24 PM »
so as an attorney or even just a regular citizen you don't have a problem with copyright infringement?

I believe that a person who feels they are having property rights infringed should go to court and get a warrant, injunction, or court order to shut down a site, business, or operation, not some arbitrary unaccountable govt agency who does not provide you prior notice. 

Also - I am appaulled that DHS is now handling copyright stuff.   

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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2010, 07:43:04 PM »
I believe that a person who feels they are having property rights infringed should go to court and get a warrant, injunction, or court order to shut down a site, business, or operation, not some arbitrary unaccountable govt agency who does not provide you prior notice. 

Also - I am appaulled that DHS is now handling copyright stuff.   

is it any different than how any LE handles stuff like this

if you're driving a stolen car do they let you keep it until you're convicted?

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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2010, 04:48:58 PM »
is it any different than how any LE handles stuff like this

if you're driving a stolen car do they let you keep it until you're convicted?

Straw, I think this is slightly different in that what they seized were not the items in question.

They were shutting down a website, not seizing counterfeit goods.

I wouldn't have a problem with them getting a search warrant and seizing counterfeit goods, but shutting down a website? the domain names were not stolen, the server hosting fees were paid (I'm assuming) then why should a web domain be shut down?
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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2010, 04:59:37 PM »
I believe that a person who feels they are having property rights infringed should go to court and get a warrant, injunction, or court order to shut down a site, business, or operation, not some arbitrary unaccountable govt agency who does not provide you prior notice.  

Also - I am appaulled that DHS is now handling copyright stuff.    
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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2010, 05:33:45 PM »
Why is ICE doing this? Are illegal immigrants running the websites? ICE Immigration and Customs Services.
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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2010, 07:40:29 PM »
Straw, I think this is slightly different in that what they seized were not the items in question.

They were shutting down a website, not seizing counterfeit goods.

I wouldn't have a problem with them getting a search warrant and seizing counterfeit goods, but shutting down a website? the domain names were not stolen, the server hosting fees were paid (I'm assuming) then why should a web domain be shut down?

ok - let's say you're running a chop shop and you've got a bunch of stolen cars

does LE let you stay in business or do they shut you down before you're actually convicted of a crime?

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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2010, 07:44:24 PM »
ok - let's say you're running a chop shop and you've got a bunch of stolen cars

does LE let you stay in business or do they shut you down before you're actually convicted of a crime?

It's not the goal that's the problem it's the round about way that there doing it that suggests a high degree, of coruption/poor governance that is causing it.

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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2010, 10:08:48 PM »
ok - let's say you're running a chop shop and you've got a bunch of stolen cars

does LE let you stay in business or do they shut you down before you're actually convicted of a crime?

Haha, Are you saying the DHS is going to Seize Jag's websites, and tungsten bullion...

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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2010, 10:34:36 PM »
ok - let's say you're running a chop shop and you've got a bunch of stolen cars

does LE let you stay in business or do they shut you down before you're actually convicted of a crime?

The problem is they are not following protocol that is long set in place. Using your chop shop guy as an example, LE discovers a problem, they present evidence to a judge who then issues a warrant allowing them to pursue. The difference here is they are bypassing all of that, it's basically like being convicted without a trial.

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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2010, 10:55:44 PM »
The problem is they are not following protocol that is long set in place. Using your chop shop guy as an example, LE discovers a problem, they present evidence to a judge who then issues a warrant allowing them to pursue. The difference here is they are bypassing all of that, it's basically like being convicted without a trial.

good point

I guess we can thank the Patriot Act since the story claims "the sites are replaced with a note from the government: "This domain named has been seized by ICE, Homeland Security Investigations."



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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2010, 02:51:48 AM »
The problem is they are not following protocol that is long set in place. Using your chop shop guy as an example, LE discovers a problem, they present evidence to a judge who then issues a warrant allowing them to pursue. The difference here is they are bypassing all of that, it's basically like being convicted without a trial.



You might want to consider actually reading the articles.

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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2010, 06:36:01 AM »
Am I the only one who thinks granting DHS so much power and so much wide ranging jurisdiction over so many areas is not a good thing at all?

Plus, isn't it strange that we can stop websites w fake gucci bags but not wikileaks?   

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Re: DHS seizes domain names. (Its only Facism when Bush did it)
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2010, 07:32:04 AM »
The Fed's Vicious War On Illegal Handbags
www.LibertyJuice.com ^ | November 30, 2010 | Brittany Pounders





With a war on two fronts, tax cuts that are about to expire, unemployment in the double digits and skyrocketing, border wars from Mexico, an invasion of illegal immigrants that is one of the main causes of the dissolution of our economic infrastructure, deepening and dire threats from North Korea and an extremely unstable Middle East….just to name a few immediate crisis within our country…you can certainly understand the Feds feeling so urgent to react and respond to….domain names??

Let me be clear lest you misunderstand. These are domain names that are not terrorism focused, these are domain names that may or may not be responsible for illegally selling handbags or copyrighted items.

"The investigative arm of the Homeland Security Department appears to be shutting down websites that facilitate copyright infringement.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has seized dozens of domain names over the past few days, according to TorrentFreak.

ICE appears to be targeting sites that help Internet users download copyrighted music, as well as sites that sell bootleg goods, such as fake designer handbags.

The sites are replaced with a note from the government: “This domain named has been seized by ICE, Homeland Security Investigations.”

For instance, borntrade.com, 51607.com, and amoyhy.com have each been seized.

One of the site owners told TorrentFreak that his site was shut down without any notice or warning."

The American people are feeling an increasingly sense of irresponsibility from a government that seems to major on the minor and minor on the major. The information continues:

"Thankfully critics like Oregon Senator Senator Ron Wyden, a Democrat, has vowed to block the COICA as it is currently written.

“Deploying this statute to combat online copyright infringement seems almost like using a bunker-busting cluster bomb, when what you need is a precision-guided missile,” he said at Senate Subcommittee meeting on International Trade, Customs, and Global Competitiveness. “If you don’t think this thing through carefully, the collateral damage would be American innovation, American jobs, and a secure Internet.'

Please note and let it be written…I’m agreeing 1,000% with a Democrat. Why is ICE involved in something so small minded and insignificant when we are dealing with a literal meltdown of our immigration system? Could it be because big name lobbyist are now involved and backroom and behind the scene deals from enormous corporations like NFL, NIKE, and Johnson- just to name a few.

Why have they decided to go this route as a solution to the problem when we already have laws on the books dealing with those who steal copyrighted materials and deal in illegal downloads. The next question that this leads me to would be… Is this not just another giant step towards Net Neutrality and government regulation over the free use of the internet? If they can take domain names for this than clearly it just opens the floodgates for snatching domain names for anything else they see fit. According to Wired:

"Among the sites that could go dark if the law passes: Dropbox, RapidShare, SoundCloud, Hype Machine and any other site for which the Attorney General deems copyright infringement to be “central to the activity” of the site, according to Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital rights group that opposes the bill. There need not even be illegal content on a site — links alone will qualify a site for digital death. Websites at risk could also theoretically include p2pnet and pirate-party.us or any other website that advocates for peer-to-peer file sharing or rejects copyright law, according to the group.

In short, COICA would allow the federal government to censor the internet without due process."

Further, this only goes to prove the time wasting incompetence that we see on display via the government everywhere. Take a domain name away from a company, what will that company do in response? The answer is simple… wait a day or two and make another domain name.

While claiming not to have the manpower or capabilities to track down and deport illegal aliens or to protect our borders from the daily invasions that have murderous and disastrous results within our country, ironically they have enough to patrol the internet and track down those selling a copyrighted version of Single Ladies? And while figuring out the answer to that question, could someone please tell me again why Homeland Security is involved in copyright issues at all?

I firmly believe in the right of patents, trademarks and copyrights and believe that they should be protected. Ideas and businesses have the rights to be guarded and defended. But, they also have the right to be protected from the government. This idea of brute force, without the benefit of a warrant or due process is wrong and just another massive power-grab on the part of an already overreaching government.

Since when were Socialists champions of property rights anyways?

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