Lee Haney or Ronnie Coleman ?

[JP_RC]

I am a big Haney fan, but 98 Ronnie was had all that + the freak factor.  Haney did have weak points that were pointed out at the time - arms kind of small in relation to torso, quad separation, calves...etc. 

Not taking anything away from him, but Ronnie would have destroyed him.

I kind of agree, 98 Ronnie was incredible. Post 99 Ronnie went to crap though.

[Flexb]

Now throw up a clip or pics of Lee when he was just started...
 
Sorry genetic wise Coleman poos all over Lee
No contest

I knew someone would try to say that. Ronnie looking like a twink here had more to do with drug selection and availability at that time. he had been training for years and competing professionally for a few years before this Olympia. Someone said Lee was only 31 when he won his eighth O. Ronnie is probably about that age here. Head to head, drug to drug, Lee Haney wins. this video makes it pretty clear actually.

[Sherief Shalaby]

I am a big Haney fan, but 98 Ronnie was had all that + the freak factor.  Haney did have weak points that were pointed out at the time - arms kind of small in relation to torso, quad separation, calves...etc. 

Not taking anything away from him, but Ronnie would have destroyed him.

you are comparing ronnie's best to lee's best and this is not fair because what lee had taken was not the same as what ronnie too (as ronnie himself mentioned)..

lee's calves were not bad at all especially for a black man!!..

[wes]

you are comparing ronnie's best to lee's best and this is not fair because what lee had taken was not the same as what ronnie took

When you enter a contest,nobody judges you on what drugs you`ve taken,they judge the physique on that particular contest day.

[Sherief Shalaby]

When you enter a contest,nobody judges you on what drugs you`ve taken,they judge the physique on that particular contest day.

i mean it's not fair to compare some one who competed 20 years ago or even 10 years ago to a current pro. because the main thing in pro. bb (after genetics) is drugs!!.. ronnie said clearly IF lee had taken what i took he would have been better than me.. so the subject of this thread is not to compare ronnie at his best to lee at his best but to imagine if lee took what ronnie took what would have he looked like!!..

so we can't say for example branch warren is a better bb than arnold just because his best beats arnold best without putting into consideration the many ears between them!!..

[Flexb]

Obviously Ronnie beats Lee if you take each man at his best from his era and compare. But put Lee in Ronnie's era and Lee Wins. Put Ronnie in Lee's era, Lee wins.

[MB]

Obviously Ronnie beats Lee if you take each man at his best from his era and compare. But put Lee in Ronnie's era and Lee Wins. Put Ronnie in Lee's era, Lee wins.

I agree.  So if we're matching eras is Lee the greatest of all-time?  I say Arnold, Dorian, Lee, Ronnie.

[hipolito mejia]

its funny how in the end of the clip he says, if "lee took what i took he would have been better", then he says if i was in lee era "it wouldnt have matter what they gave me"

 he is referencing the drugs, and they still taped it

Yes , I noticed that too, he forgot "the icing on the cake" theory completely.

[Grape Ape]

i mean it's not fair to compare some one who competed 20 years ago or even 10 years ago to a current pro. because the main thing in pro. bb (after genetics) is drugs!!.. ronnie said clearly IF lee had taken what i took he would have been better than me.. so the subject of this thread is not to compare ronnie at his best to lee at his best but to imagine if lee took what ronnie took what would have he looked like!!..

so we can't say for example branch warren is a better bb than arnold just because his best beats arnold best without putting into consideration the many ears between them!!..

Had the drugs been available, Haney most likely would have passed on them anyway.  He alluded to doing some things outside his comfort zone to be in the shape he was in his last Olympia.

But, if he did, what would be better than Coleman?  All the flaws you point out - wider waist for example, would also happen to Haney if he took them.  His arm/torso ratio would get worse, etc....

But, it's lunacy to argue physiques based on what they COULD'VE taken, since there's no way of really knowing anything.  Wes' comment is true.

[hipolito mejia]

When you enter a contest,nobody judges you on what drugs you`ve taken,they judge the physique on that particular contest day.

I know Ronnie 98' is probably the best a bb ever looked, BUT Thats not the point of this thread.



 Watch the clip Ronnie says if USING same stuff Lee would have beaten him on either era.

thats where i think Ronnie is right.

[hipolito mejia]

I kind of agree, 98 Ronnie was incredible. Post 99 Ronnie went to crap though.

I know Ronnie 98' is probably the best a bb ever looked, BUT Thats not the point of this thread.



 Watch the clip Ronnie says if USING same stuff Lee would have beaten him on either era.

[JP_RC]

I agree.  So if we're matching eras is Lee the greatest of all-time?  I say Arnold, Dorian, Lee, Ronnie.

Arnold
Sergio Oliva
Lee Haney
Ronnie
Dorian

That order. 

[geneticmarvel]

Yes , I noticed that too, he forgot "the icing on the cake" theory completely.

The drugs are supposed to be the icing on the cake, instead people being people, use them as the entire cake.

[Sherief Shalaby]

Had the drugs been available, Haney most likely would have passed on them anyway.  He alluded to doing some things outside his comfort zone to be in the shape he was in his last Olympia.

But, if he did, what would be better than Coleman?  All the flaws you point out - wider waist for example, would also happen to Haney if he took them.  His arm/torso ratio would get worse, etc....

But, it's lunacy to argue physiques based on what they COULD'VE taken, since there's no way of really knowing anything.  Wes' comment is true.

i think and i may be wrong of course (since it will never happen) that lee's naturally thick and wide structure would bear more muscles in a better way than ronnie's!!.. also shape wise lee's quads looked better than ronnie's so just imagine them much bigger in size + his much better calves than ronnie's his whole lower body could have been clearly better than ronnies.. and where ronnie's biceps were better than lee's i see that lee's triceps were better!!.. both had great shoulders and backs..

also lee had one of the best chests ever,.. very massive and detailed.. either his upper chest or his lower one.. ronnie on the other side had a clear problem in his lower chest even when he was below 260 pounds (like in 1998).. both had somehow strange abs with a separation between the right set of packs and the left but still lee's was built in a better shape!!..

[Cableguy]

Has anyone noticed how much dumber Ronnie sounded as the years went by? In the first clips from 94-97, he spoke clearer, sounded more articulate and was almost able to speak in complete sentences. In the BSN clip, he was the mumbling, stumbling mess we all came to know him for. Looks like the price to pay for using so many muscle enhancing "supplements" is a marked reduction in brain functionality...

[Hulkster]

Lee Haney in my opinion a much better classic physique, great symmetry, small waist, etc.

Ronnie had all that too plus more size in 98/99 and even the 2001 AC although his gut/obliques were big by then.

[Jadeveon Clowney]

Has anyone noticed how much dumber Ronnie sounded as the years went by? In the first clips from 94-97, he spoke clearer, sounded more articulate and was almost able to speak in complete sentences. In the BSN clip, he was the mumbling, stumbling mess we all came to know him for. Looks like the price to pay for using so many muscle enhancing "supplements" is a marked reduction in brain functionality...

GH makes your tongue thicker.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Lee Haney won his Olympia's while in his 20's. As we all know now, that means he was basically a baby in terms of bodybuilding. He won 8 by the time he was 31. Imagine if he took a year off and then took what Jay/ and Ronnie took. He most likely would have racked up another 8 or so titles.

[Jadeveon Clowney]

Everybody knows Hany quit because he realized he would not beat Dorian the next year.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Everybody knows Hany quit because he realized he would not beat Dorian the next year.

From what I heard, he was getting weird pains in his organs and if he decided to go down the road Dorian was going, it may have really messed him up if not killed him.

[maxkane69]

Haney is the greatest bodybulder of all time and Coleman is close second!
Of course Coleman at is best (arnold classic 2001)is better than Haney at is best (olympia 1991) but you have take in consideration the drugs advancement of a decade. If Coleman was taking the same drugs that Haney took at the time he would be inferior to Haney 1991 Olympia version.
Anyway kudos to Coleman for being humble and admit it!

[Jadeveon Clowney]