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Directly from Time Magazine; Fareed Zakaria on Egypt
« on: February 07, 2011, 07:55:08 AM »
To those of you who read, I strongly recommend reviewing the latest issue of Time Magazine (Feb. 14th issue) and looking at the article Zakaria wrote about Egypt. None of what was contained in the article was particularly earth shattering but Zakaria's analysis on where the country may be headed is disturbing.

Within the article, Zakaria references a Pew Research Center poll taken last April. To all of the pie in the sky liberal silmeballs that think Egypt will flourish into a modern democracy and not a deranged terrorist state, please explain the following percentages: 82% of Egyptians favor stoning as a punishment for adultery, 84% favor the death penalty for leaving Islam and 59% of Egyptians identify themselves as Islamic fundamentalists.

Another disturbing figure Zakaria revealed in the article-- The american tax payer donates 3.5 million dollars per day to the Egyptian military.

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Re: Directly from Time Magazine; Fareed Zakaria on Egypt
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2011, 09:07:19 AM »
Pat Buchanan and his take on the situation: http://buchanan.org/blog/ideology-vs-national-interest-4603

Ideology vs. the National Interest

 By Patrick J. Buchanan

When a nation fights for its life, ideology goes by the board.

Gen. Washington danced a jig when he heard King Louis XVI had become a fighting ally in our Revolutionary War against the Mother of Parliaments.

In our Civil War, Abraham Lincoln made himself a dictator, closing newspapers, suspending habeas corpus, and locking up editors and legislators.

Woodrow Wilson went to war to “to make the world safe for democracy” alongside five of the most rapacious empires on earth: the British, French, Russian, Italian and Japanese.

During World War II, our ally that did most of the fighting and dying was the Soviet Union of Joseph Stalin.

During the Cold War, America welcomed as allies Chiang Kai-shek, Salazar, Franco, Diem, Somoza, the Shah, Suharto, Syngman Rhee, Korean generals, Greek colonels, militarists in Brazil, Argentina, Turkey and Pakistan, and Marcos and Pinochet.

But with the end of the Cold War and the coming of George W. Bush, America set aside a national interest-based foreign policy for a policy rooted in ideology, political religion. Not until the world is democratic, said Bush, can America be secure. We must “end tyranny in our world.”

“The requirements of freedom apply fully to the entire Islamic world,” said Bush in 2002. At the National Endowment for Democracy, he listed the “essential principles common to every successful society, in every culture.”

“Successful societies limit the power of the state and the power of the military—so that governments respond to the will of the people, and not the will of an elite.”

Comes now the acid test of democratist ideology.

Hosni Mubarak has been a loyal ally. He kept the peace with Israel and helped keep weapons out of Gaza. He fought beside us in Desert Storm and stands with us in the War on Terror. But he is also an autocrat who rules a regime where state and army are virtually one and where the opposition is squelched, when it is not imprisoned.

If a democratic Egypt is America’s goal, we will push for the removal of Mubarak, for the army to go back to the barracks, and for parliamentary and presidential elections where all parties participate.

But before we do this, we should be on notice what a democratic Egypt, where the government reflects the will of the people, may look like.

According to the most recent Pew Research Center poll:

– Twice as many Egyptians identify themselves as Muslim fundamentalists as identify themselves as “modernizers.”

– By 95 to 2, Egyptians believe Islam should play a large role in Egyptian politics.

– While 48 percent of Egyptians say suicide bombings are never justified, 32 percent say “rarely,” 12 percent say “sometimes,” and 8 percent say suicide bombings are “often” justified. Half the people of Egypt believe there are times a suicide bomb is the right answer.

– Half of all Egyptians have a favorable view of Hamas, and one in five has a favorable view of al-Qaida.

– Three in four Egyptians believe cutting off the hand of a thief is proper punishment. Four in five favor stoning adulterers to death. And 84 percent favor executing Muslim converts to Christianity.

– Eighty-two percent of Egyptians regard the United States unfavorably, and 48 percent rate America “very unfavorably.”

– In a Zogby poll in 2010, 90 percent of Egyptians named the United States and Israel as threats, 86 percent said Iran had a right to pursue nuclear weapons, and 77 percent thought it would be a good thing if Tehran got the bomb. [Egypt, Democracy and Islam, Pew Research Center, January 31, 2011]

Thus, if free and fair elections are held and the new government of Egypt, in Bush’s words, responds “to the will of the people, and not the will of an elite,” Egypt will become more Islamic, more hostile to us and Israel, and more supportive of Iran.

If that is a likely result of free and fair elections in Egypt, why does the U.S. government favor free and fair elections in Egypt? And if democracy in the Middle East could get us kicked out of the Middle East, why do U.S. policy-makers favor democracy in the Middle East?

Does the U.S. government believe what it professes to believe?

Would we support a “million man march” in Riyadh, as President Obama did in Cairo? Will we call for elections in Bahrain, where a Sunni king rules a Shia-majority statelet and the U.S. Fifth Fleet is anchored?

Not one of our Arab allies is a democracy. Should they all, as Mubarak has been told by Obama to do, prepare for a “transition”?

Across the Middle East in the last decade, we lost 6,000 soldiers and spent hundreds of billions of dollars. Yet we have never been more disliked, more reviled, more hated in that part of the world.

If the advancement of our democratic ideals imperils what the U.S. government says are our vital interests, is there not something fundamentally wrong with our Middle East policy?

Why keep borrowing untold billions from China, putting America’s children eternally in debt, to pursue a policy in the Arab world that has made this once-admired nation thoroughly detested across the Arab world?

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Re: Directly from Time Magazine; Fareed Zakaria on Egypt
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2011, 09:13:48 AM »
To those of you who read, I strongly recommend reviewing the latest issue of Time Magazine (Feb. 14th issue) and looking at the article Zakaria wrote about Egypt. None of what was contained in the article was particularly earth shattering but Zakaria's analysis on where the country may be headed is disturbing.

Within the article, Zakaria references a Pew Research Center poll taken last April. To all of the pie in the sky liberal silmeballs that think Egypt will flourish into a modern democracy and not a deranged terrorist state, please explain the following percentages: 82% of Egyptians favor stoning as a punishment for adultery, 84% favor the death penalty for leaving Islam and 59% of Egyptians identify themselves as Islamic fundamentalists.

Another disturbing figure Zakaria revealed in the article-- The american tax payer donates 3.5 million dollars per day to the Egyptian military.


Funny:   KC ad Mal tld me I was wrong on this.   Go figure.     

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Re: Directly from Time Magazine; Fareed Zakaria on Egypt
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2011, 09:18:22 AM »

Funny:   KC ad Mal tld me I was wrong on this.   Go figure.     

But those two are so smart and well informed. Clearly, you misunderstood them or "misremembered" what was said.

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Re: Directly from Time Magazine; Fareed Zakaria on Egypt
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2011, 02:52:22 PM »
Bump for clueless liberal shit stain Diane Feinstein deomnstrating a prime example as to why Americans are leaving the Democratic party in droves. Clueless on economics, clueless on national defense, clueless on education, clueless on the constitution and clueless on diplomacy-->

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/we-dont-understand-this-dem-intelligence-committee-chair-feinstein-warns-islamic-extremists-could-easily-take-over-egypt/

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Re: Directly from Time Magazine; Fareed Zakaria on Egypt
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2011, 04:50:01 PM »
Bump for clueless liberal shit stain Diane Feinstein deomnstrating a prime example as to why Americans are leaving the Democratic party in droves. Clueless on economics, clueless on national defense, clueless on education, clueless on the constitution and clueless on diplomacy-->

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/we-dont-understand-this-dem-intelligence-committee-chair-feinstein-warns-islamic-extremists-could-easily-take-over-egypt/

She's the umpteenth moron I've seen drop the "We don't understand why this is happening" line when discussing Islam. I really wonder what these "experts" actually study when they're researching these topics.

I'm actually impressed that Zakaria wrote about those statistics. He usually spends most of his time shilling for Islamic supremacists.

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Re: Directly from Time Magazine; Fareed Zakaria on Egypt
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2011, 05:56:25 PM »
I think he knows what happens when the lid off the genie lamp is removed.

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Re: Directly from Time Magazine; Fareed Zakaria on Egypt
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2011, 06:10:30 PM »
This is the problem with the neocons...not so much in what they did as why they said they did it. A douchbag in charge of Egypt/Iraq/Iran etc etc etc is in our strategic best interest.  Its where the oil is....not because of democracy or human rights. Nobody but the most naive left wing moron believes thats why we "western democracies" do anything...or atleast solely. Europe had to pulled kicking and screaming into Bosnia...nobody really wants to get involved in Africa..except where the nutbaggery could spread to other countries where they have natural resources we want. The average Egyptian hates us...the leadership is determined to keep the peace. We wouldn't really care if the Egyptian Army began eating people in down-town Cairo...as long as that kept things stable for another 30 years. Maybe by that time our vehicles will run on water and the arabs can then fuck off.
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Re: Directly from Time Magazine; Fareed Zakaria on Egypt
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2011, 06:15:30 PM »
Check out Drudge. Ha ha ha.  Its obvious who is pulling barry's strings.