Author Topic: Frank Zane: unparalleled symetry and proportions  (Read 34583 times)

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Re: Frank Zane: unparalleled symetry and proportions
« Reply #75 on: February 20, 2011, 10:03:16 AM »
zane would've evolved
ROFL!! That's about the funniest thing i've seen in a while, however, the picture needs to be bigger.

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Re: Frank Zane: unparalleled symetry and proportions
« Reply #76 on: February 20, 2011, 10:06:27 AM »
many from that time used, and were open about it, only to backtrack at a later time

Again you keep making a lot of claims where is the proof?  ??? I found not ONE single reference to anyone using test in the United States before Dr John Ziegler started in the mid 1950s , the earliest references I've seen to aas being used in the west coast bodybuilding scene was 1960.

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Re: Frank Zane: unparalleled symetry and proportions
« Reply #77 on: February 20, 2011, 11:23:21 AM »
you know that test was "discovered" in the late 1800's, studies on it were published round the turn of the century

just because it didnt become mainstream information until the 60's, doesnt mean it wasnt around, same goes for ziegler

I cant prove any present time bber is on drugs neither, nor can anyone disprove the guys werent taking then, just because there wasnt a big write-up on it, and because they deny it

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Re: Frank Zane: unparalleled symetry and proportions
« Reply #78 on: February 20, 2011, 11:32:46 AM »
Zane was and is a monument to what is great about bodybuilding.

If people wonder why no one gives a shit about bodybuilding and why no money is in the sport they need look no further than the fact that zane would lose to fatso in the mr O nowadays.

First of all, why are people comparing a contest shot of Zane with an OFFSEASON/guest-posing shot of Winklaar?

Second, regarding the money thing, you forget that when Zane competed only the winner of the Olympia got paid. Now there are two shows with six-figure prize money, with a third in the works. "Amateurs" today get paid WAY more than Zane got during his prime Mr.O-winning years.

Third, Zane's physique is just as "disgusting", to the average Joe, as those of today's bodybuilders. This whole idea that old-school bodybuilders' physiques are more appealing to the mainstream is a fallacy. Show some pics of Frank Zane and Arnold Schwarzenegger in their primes, and you'll get the same "That's gross!! That's nasty!! I wouldn't want to look like that comments" that you'd get by showing pics of today's bodybuilders.

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Re: Frank Zane: unparalleled symetry and proportions
« Reply #79 on: February 20, 2011, 11:35:22 AM »
according to below brief history, it was 1st synthesized circa 1935, that would be the recognized post experimental recognized study results, so very possible previous experiments done, and availability. according to this, test as we know it today (at least by name) was available in the 50's.

those were very experimental times where today's concerns and fears were not common-place, very possible that before these hormones were made available & recognized in the 30's, they were being administered for 5-10 yrs, to the weight-lifters for example, maybe hoffmans lifters..

yes, all hypothetical conjecture on my part...


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2005 marks the 100th anniversary of the creation of the term hormone by Ernest Starling. Although its biological effects were known since antiquity, the name testosterone (T) was coined only in 1935, when Ernest Laqueur isolated it from bull testes. The road to this isolation was long: John Hunter had transplanted testes into capons in 1786 and Adolph Berthold postulated internal secretion from his testicular transplantation experiments in 1849. Following his observations, testicular preparations were used for therapy, popularised by self-experiments of Brown-Séquard (1889), which can at best have had placebo effects. Nevertheless, testis preparations were consumed until quite recently for the enhancement of virility. In the 1920s Sergio Voronoff transplanted testes from animals to men, but their effectiveness was disproven by the Royal Society of Medicine in 1927. Modern androgen therapy started when T was chemically synthesized independently in 1935 by Aldolf Butenandt and Leopold Ruzicka.

Since T was ineffective orally it was either compressed into subcutaneous pellets or was used orally as 17α-methyl T, now obsolete because of toxic side effects. In the 1950s longer-acting injectable T enanthate became the preferred therapeutic modality. In the 1950s and 1960s research concentrated on the chemical modification of androgens in order to emphasise their anabolic effects. Although anabolic steroids largely disappeared from clinical medicine, they continue an illegal life for doping. In the 1970s the orally effective T undecanoate was added to the spectrum of preparations. In 1992 WHO, NIH and FDA postulated preparations of natural T mimicking physiological serum levels, a demand first met by a transdermal scrotal film. Non-scrotal skin patches followed and finally in 2000 transdermal T gels became available. The most recent additions to T substitution therapy, the short-acting buccal T and the long-acting injectable T undecanoate, also fulfil the demand for physiological serum levels.



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Re: Frank Zane: unparalleled symetry and proportions
« Reply #80 on: February 20, 2011, 11:56:46 AM »
I would rather walk around looking like Zane then Winklar. Wouldn't have to be huffing and puffing and having the "bodybuilder" walk going on. Lol, the bodybuilder walk always cracks me up.

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Re: Frank Zane: unparalleled symetry and proportions
« Reply #81 on: February 20, 2011, 12:57:32 PM »
you know that test was "discovered" in the late 1800's, studies on it were published round the turn of the century

just because it didnt become mainstream information until the 60's, doesnt mean it wasnt around, same goes for ziegler

I cant prove any present time bber is on drugs neither, nor can anyone disprove the guys werent taking then, just because there wasnt a big write-up on it, and because they deny it

yes we've heard this all before but nothing of substance , the beginning of test use in strength athletes starts with Ziegler I can't find anything on the subject before hand in this country which always leads use back to people working on nothing except suspicion or a hunch

if anyone had anything that predates this it would have been posted eons ago I deal in facts not bullshit. 

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Re: Frank Zane: unparalleled symetry and proportions
« Reply #82 on: February 21, 2011, 12:08:45 AM »

if anyone had anything that predates this it would have been posted eons ago I deal in facts not bullshit. 
not everything is on the net or mags

test was isolated and administered in the 30's

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Re: Frank Zane: unparalleled symetry and proportions
« Reply #83 on: February 21, 2011, 10:48:43 AM »
zanes alright, but liedelmeyer should be the benchmark

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Re: Frank Zane: unparalleled symetry and proportions
« Reply #85 on: February 21, 2011, 11:36:08 AM »
And none of you fuckers comments on the fact that the guy has "angle" tattooed on his belly  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Angel, I believe it's his child's name.

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Re: Frank Zane: unparalleled symetry and proportions
« Reply #86 on: February 21, 2011, 12:56:52 PM »
Angel, I believe it's his child's name.
the name of a stripper he met in amsterdam while she was on an education & skills exchange program from vegas, his first love.

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Re: Frank Zane: unparalleled symetry and proportions
« Reply #87 on: February 21, 2011, 09:36:45 PM »


'Even balls that size wouldn't produce the testosterone in me right now'

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Re: Frank Zane: unparalleled symetry and proportions
« Reply #88 on: February 22, 2011, 02:28:03 PM »
I don't wanna believe gh15.  I'd like to know I could have 22 inch arms naturally.

but nobody has proved him wrong yet they still argue with him.