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Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
Mar 22, 2011 12:24 pm


It's official. New UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones will face his former teammate Rashad Evans in his first title defense.�

The two had resisted the match-up initially since they both train under coach Greg Jackson -- a camp that frowns on intra-camp bouts. This is a sore spot with UFC President Dana White.�

White has long raged against fighters who refuse to fight teammates. Most notable have been his attempts to break up the American Kickboxing Academy and force top welterweights Jon Fitch and Josh Koscheck to face off.


This is a much bigger issue than fans realize. Fighters like Jones, Evans, Fitch and Koscheck join camps like Jackson MMA and AKA so that they can experience elite level training without paying the full cost of the camp. If multiple top fighters pool their resources to hire coaches, trainers, rent equipment and train together they can get much better training than if each individually bore the whole cost of the camp.�

Brock Lesnar can afford to pay all his coaches, trainers and sparring partners to build a camp around him. Most MMA fighters can not.�

The camaraderie and openness that fighters at camps like Jacksons or AKA experience makes a huge difference as well. If the fighters are confident that they won't someday be facing off against their training partners, then they can train without holding back, dramatically increasing their learning and the value of the camp.

For someone like Greg Jackson who has built his reputation and his business on running a very close camp with a tight esprit d' corps, this blow could be devastating. The Jones-Evans rift could turn Jackson MMA into just another camp where fighters circle each other warily and come and go with only minimal exchanges in knowledge.

Jones initially towed the Jackson company line. Here he is just last October talking to�MMA Junkie�about Rashad Evans:


"To me, being able to call Rashad when we're 40 years old and say, 'Let's go fishing,' that's more important than a paycheck that we would get today. I train with the guy. We've had conversations about personal things."..."Rashad's a unique character to me," Jones said. "There's not many guys that I can relate to like Rashad, and preparing to do physical damage to him just doesn't add up to me.

"Fighting Rashad is the last thing I'd ever want to do."


Jones even elaborated further in an interview with�MMA Scraps Radio�(transcription via�Cage Potato), saying he'd even fake an injury to avoid fighting Evans:


Ummm...I just think there's lots of ways around it. You know, you could fake injuries. You could do anything. I mean, there's just so many ways around it, you know? But before I joined the team that was the first conversation we had. It was just about friendship. Greg Jackson's team is known for their brotherhood...our brotherhood. We treat each other with so much respect and love and genuine care. We have all of these great fighters in our camp who try their best to fight exactly like Brandon Vera for me when I'm getting ready for that fight. I've got guys giving me coaching advice after practice -guys who are UFC vets. There's just no egos. These guys have opened my eyes on how to train like a pro athlete. It would be so wrong of me to use all that I've gained from them against them. It just won't happen.


But Jones changed his tune in a live interview on�Versus�(transcription via�MMA Fighting):


"I respect [UFC president"> Dana [White"> a lot, and if that's what he absolutely wanted to happen, then I guess that's what would have to happen," he said. "Me and Rashad would not want to get fired over the situation."..."It would be majorly awkward for us," he said. "Rashad and I have a lot in common. We're both young, African-American men with families. We both like to sing and have fun. We're both elite MMA fighters. We have a lot in common and we both clicked really well. There's so many other great fighters in the world that we can compete against. And we're not animals, we're friends, we're people, we're human beings, so I'd hate to have to fight my own teammate. I would never want to.".


Rashad Evans took offense and the rest is history -- don't miss�the scathing interview Evans gave our own Duane Finley. Here's a money quote as a tease:


"When Jon Jones came to the gym over a year ago Greg Jackson came to me and said, 'listen, what do you feel about having this kid on the team?' I told him straight up that I didn't like it. I told him that the kid was talented and that the sky was the limit with him but that was the type of guy I wanted to fight not train with. Greg came back saying, 'No, no, no this will be just like you and Keith where he will be just like a brother.' I still told him that I didn't want to do that. Then Greg said if that situation ever did arise between Jones and I that he would have to turn the fight down because that's how it works. He would have to turn down the fight with me so that way I wouldn't be put in a position where I looked like a punk. That's how it works in the Greg Jackson system. After a while Greg was so high on this kid coming in and I met Jon Jones and he was a very nice and very sweet kid, so eventually I said f**k it, let' s bring him in. After he got there and I trained with him and tried him out a little bit, something didn't feel right so I moved my camp up to Denver to train at Grudge for awhile. That is where I spent the majority of my time over the past two fights.


Now Jackson is trying to deal with the fall out. He personally said after the fight that he wouldn't be involved in the Jones-Evans match in any way shape or form. But his partner Mike Winkeljohn seems to be choosing a side, per�MMA Junkie:


"I'm kind of leaning toward working with Jon, and Rashad had not opted to work with me personally in his last few fights," said Jackson partner Mike Winkeljohn. "I feel like there had been a small split between us. I love the guy to death, and if there's anybody that has the tools and uses them right and can challenge Jon Jones, it would be Rashad Evans. I just don't know if I can coach against Rashad. So I haven't figured that one out yet."


The tension is also dividing Greg Jackson's camp in Albuquerque, NM with their close training affiliate Grudge in Colorado. Team Jackson fighters like Nate Marquardt and Shane Carwin actually train mostly in Colorado under Grudge coach Trevor Wittman. For his part, he's sticking by Rashad. Unfortunately for Wittman, Rashad has flown the coop entirely and headed off to Florida to train for the Jones fight.

Fighters Only�reports that Evans is taking Jackson's long-time wrestling coach Mike Van Arsdale and heading to Imperial Athletics.

For Dana White and the UFC it's just fuel for the fire to add interest to the Jones-Evans title fight, but it's also had a nice added benefit of weakening one of the strongest camps in MMA. The more fighters are divided in an endless battle of all-against-all the more the UFC can impose its will on the fighters.
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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2011, 10:44:22 PM »
I didn't really understand the situation till I read that...

not sure I'm ready to blame Dana for trying to break up either camp (jacksons or AKA) though.

Dana's job is to make sure the fights are made.

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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2011, 07:03:48 AM »
I completely understand the criticism of the UFC and Dana White.  However, look at it this way:  most pro sports teams trade players etc, and then they square off against old former teams.  This is part of sports.

Rashad is currently ranked #3 and Jones #1.  What is Dana to do?  These are the TOP guys that should face each other regardless of what team or coach they side with.  Is Rashad to not get a shot?  The "next guy in line" gets his shot.  Period.  Now Rashad could not take the fight if he wanted to.  Jones holds the #1 spot and is expected to fight the cream of the crop... in this case, due to rankings, it's Evans.

What if the top 5 LHW were part of Jackson's camp.  How would the champ be tested?  

I totally think Dana and the UFC is doing the right thing.  

Remember this:  if Jones is getting not fighting the best, but lower positioned fighters, people would SCREAM about it.

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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2011, 08:17:20 AM »
Don't be fooled with all the "drama" surrounding this fight.  The media is practically selling this fight for them.

Jones and Evans are playing this up for all it's worth.

Evans has admitted that he has not used Jackson's camp much in the past 5 fights.  Rashad is not being kicked out of Jackson's, what's the big deal with him training elsewhere?

Jones/Rahsad are looking at HUGE paydays with this fight.  Don't be fooled, this is business.

The whole "Friends, now enemy's" is B.S.  You watch, all the Twitter/Media comments will be very impersonal in nature, such as Rashad being a "Lay N Prayer" etc.

They are in this plot together I guarantee.



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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2011, 01:56:32 PM »
LOL @ all the blown up drama, this shit is getting ridiculous...

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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2011, 01:58:47 PM »
LOL @ all the blown up drama, this shit is getting ridiculous...


Totally is.  Fighters should fight who the boss says they should fight.  Period.  If they don't like it, go to Strikeforce....oh.. wait...

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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2011, 02:10:52 PM »
Totally is.  Fighters should fight who the boss says they should fight.  Period.  If they don't like it, go to Strikeforce....oh.. wait...

 ;D

LOL, Rashad's just bitter cause he's out of the spotlight and another 'brother' swooped in and made him look
like a bitch :)  that's life I guess, he should be thanking his lucky stars he got to be champ, even if it was for a few months

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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2011, 02:52:56 PM »
LOL @ all the blown up drama, this shit is getting ridiculous...


and it hasn't even really started yet...

actually when you stop and think about it, promoting this fight with the whole "training partner" angle could be counter productive...

you really have to wonder just how hungry one or either both is going to be.

most of Rashads fights are already painfully boring enough,throw in a slightly reluctant Jon Jones and you've got a recipe for 25 minutes of 2 guys doing next to nothing.

Never mind the fact that both fighters already know how to nullify each other strength's .

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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2011, 03:51:14 PM »
and it hasn't even really started yet...

actually when you stop and think about it, promoting this fight with the whole "training partner" angle could be counter productive...

you really have to wonder just how hungry one or either both is going to be.

most of Rashads fights are already painfully boring enough,throw in a slightly reluctant Jon Jones and you've got a recipe for 25 minutes of 2 guys doing next to nothing.

Never mind the fact that both fighters already know how to nullify each other strength's .

Oh man I just hope it doesn't turn into a 5 round borefest, I can't stand rashad as it is already  :-X

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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2011, 04:29:07 PM »
Are they fighters or not? Who gives a shit about camps and friends and all that........they should fight or GTFO.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2011, 08:01:58 PM »
Coltrane, you remember a few weeks back we had a long thread going on about this and I said that this was all part of Dana's master plan to fuck over Greg Jacksons camp and end Rashads career?

I'm telling you bro-- this was all orchestrated by White.

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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2011, 08:09:33 PM »
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Quote from: coltrane on February 11, 2011, 10:13:51 AM
The list of boring fighters the UFC employs is long.  GSP is at the top.  Why isn't Dana trying to get rid of him?  What about Machida?  What Franklin or Griffin.

Dana ISN"T trying to get rid of Rashad bro.

There is something else in the works OR Dana just didn't think things thru.

I think if Jones beats Rua, there would probably be a rematch anyway.  that's how it goes as of late it seems.




Im not saying K1 is right here, but no other explanation makes much sense unless Rashad is going to retire or switch weight classes. If the answer isn't one of those three posibilities, then Dana just wants to dismantle Greg Jacksons camp.

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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2011, 10:19:02 PM »
Coltrane, you remember a few weeks back we had a long thread going on about this and I said that this was all part of Dana's master plan to fuck over Greg Jacksons camp and end Rashads career?

I'm telling you bro-- this was all orchestrated by White.

What do you think Dana has to gain by trying to dismantle Jackson's camp?  Even before this latest drama unfolded, Rashad hasn't even been training at Jackson's. Even before his fight with Rampage, they show Rashad mainly at the Grudge training center....

I will say it again...there is no 'real' drama here. This is all exaggerated and a well thought out plan to sell a fight.

Why do you think Jackson is being so indifferent to it all?  I'll tell you, because he doesn't want his reputation affected by these antics to sell a fight.

Jackson has the premier training center in MMA, with or without Jones and Rashad.

Don't be so foolish. Got to read between the lines here.




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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2011, 05:27:29 AM »
Coltrane, you remember a few weeks back we had a long thread going on about this and I said that this was all part of Dana's master plan to fuck over Greg Jacksons camp and end Rashads career?

I'm telling you bro-- this was all orchestrated by White.

Yes I remember.  But even if Jones beats Evans, Evans will still be top 5 or 6 or so and would still get fights I would think.   He's still very much viable at that point.  You know more of the inside dope i'm sure though.  I don't get into the behind the scenes stuff that much.

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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2011, 08:09:36 AM »
This 'drama' is looking more scripted as the days go on....
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Full Article Here http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/03/24/mike-winkeljohn-rashad-evans-left-jacksons-mma-not-other-way/


At first, Winkeljohn said, he held back on working with Jones. He tried to gauge Evans' feeling about the situation, but got no response.

"I said, 'My work is with you and Keith Jardine first.' No response. Long story short, he did two more fight camps, I was never called, never invited to help."

Evans began doing more of his pre-fight work at Trevor Wittman's Grudge Training Center in Denver, Winkeljohn said, partly in an attempt to focus more on his wrestling. It wasn't so much an angry split, but rather a dissatisfying drift. Winkeljohn didn't hear much from Evans and he saw him even less.

"I wasn't discouraged, and hey, I like the guy," said Winkeljohn. "But Jon Jones has wanted to work with me and his stand-up has come a long way. He's looking tremendous. But in my mind, if I was fired by Rashad, I don't think I should take myself out of another job just because I used to work with the guy that fired me."




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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2011, 08:38:38 AM »
Don't see why it would divide the Jackson camp, Rashad won't make it out of the 1st round anyway.


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Re: Did the UFC Manipulate Jones vs Evans to Divide Team Jackson?
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2011, 12:14:47 PM »
Don't see why it would divide the Jackson camp, Rashad won't make it out of the 1st round anyway.



That's exactly what I've been saying....there is nothing to divide the camp. Evans left the camp many fights ago and just comes to train/visit occasionally.

Can't split up something that was already split. :)