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How is your traps looking BDB? Are they drawing in top ten hoes?

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Might look something like this


Heavy BP (brd, rev bnd)

a1) Weighted Chins
a 2) Trap Bar Deads
a3) Rotation Chops
B1) Alt DB Incline
B2) Elevated Bulg spilt Squat
B3) Pull Throughs or GH raise

Close grip bench
Hammer curls

Not an exact but a basic template.


Thats ALOT of exercises for a fb routine.

especially with so many compound and unilateral movements.

how many days a week would u be fullbody training with routines like this?

looks like cns overload for sure.

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Thats ALOT of exercises for a fb routine.

especially with so many compound and unilateral movements.

how many days a week would u be fullbody training with routines like this?

looks like cns overload for sure.

Heavy BP (brd, rev bnd)

a1) Weighted Chins
a 2) Trap Bar Deads
a3) Rotation Chops
B1) Alt DB Incline
B2) Elevated Bulg spilt Squat
B3) Pull Throughs or GH raise

Close grip bench
Hammer curls

Take this one step at a time and just don't form an opinion just by a glance. Study it. But here's the break down

Despite what some of the critics say about gaining strength, one of the quickest ways to get stronger is training each muscle group (by recruitment of multiple motor units, is to train each 3 times per week with a minimum of 2 times per week. This isn't theory it's fact. The way this particular routine is set up, it SHOULD keep the CNS excited through out the workout to help avoid injury. Now, lets take the first exercise, Heavy BP, this is the first exercise in the selection AFTER we roll, dynamic warm-up and med ball work.

Bench is listed as a single exercise because it's a power exercise, reps are kept from 5-3 or 3-1 if using chains or bands. Rest time is 2-3mins depending on how many are benching.

The second exercise are weighted chins (a supplemental) and third (trap bar) is a power exercise. Chins are 8-10 reps TB being power is 5-3 or 3-1. Third is a rotational core exercise. All three are done consecutively. After the 3rd exercise, there is a 90-120sec rest. NOW, by the time the second or third round is started, the rest time between the time they start chins and get back to them is approx 3-3.5min rest. Sometimes (or most of the time I take out the rotational core work because we already hit it in the beginning. If you look at it, there are TWO main lifts that are indicator lifts when we test.

The second part of the routine are supplemental exercises and yes, unilateral, upper and lower. There HAS to be unilateral exercises in EVERY routine be it athletic or bodybuilding. There has to equal strength on either side, for bodybuilding, to avoid injury for athletes to avoid injury, especially when running, we DO NOT run on two legs, we run one leg at a time. GH raise or pull troughs, as you know is posterior chain, the most important thing to keep strong for ANY athlete to help keep injury's down (hamstring, knee, etc)

Hammer curls are used mainly to help keep elbows healthy and for on field intimidation  ;D

Close grip bench, of course for explosiveness and as supplemental to the BP.

*Some sort of posterior chain exercise is done in each workout, GH raise, RDL, 1RDL or pull troughs, leg curls are NEVER done.  






 

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Heavy BP (brd, rev bnd)

a1) Weighted Chins
a 2) Trap Bar Deads
a3) Rotation Chops
B1) Alt DB Incline
B2) Elevated Bulg spilt Squat
B3) Pull Throughs or GH raise

Close grip bench
Hammer curls

Take this one step at a time and just don't form an opinion just by a glance. Study it. But here's the break down

Despite what some of the critics say about gaining strength, one of the quickest ways to get stronger is training each muscle group (by recruitment of multiple motor units, is to train each 3 times per week with a minimum of 2 times per week. This isn't theory it's fact. The way this particular routine is set up, it SHOULD keep the CNS excited through out the workout to help avoid injury. Now, lets take the first exercise, Heavy BP, this is the first exercise in the selection AFTER we roll, dynamic warm-up and med ball work.

Bench is listed as a single exercise because it's a power exercise, reps are kept from 5-3 or 3-1 if using chains or bands. Rest time is 2-3mins depending on how many are benching.

The second exercise are weighted chins (a supplemental) and third (trap bar) is a power exercise. Chins are 8-10 reps TB being power is 5-3 or 3-1. Third is a rotational core exercise. All three are done consecutively. After the 3rd exercise, there is a 90-120sec rest. NOW, by the time the second or third round is started, the rest time between the time they start chins and get back to them is approx 3-3.5min rest. Sometimes (or most of the time I take out the rotational core work because we already hit it in the beginning. If you look at it, there are TWO main lifts that are indicator lifts when we test.

The second part of the routine are supplemental exercises and yes, unilateral, upper and lower. There HAS to be unilateral exercises in EVERY routine be it athletic or bodybuilding. There has to equal strength on either side, for bodybuilding, to avoid injury for athletes to avoid injury, especially when running, we DO NOT run on two legs, we run one leg at a time. GH raise or pull troughs, as you know is posterior chain, the most important thing to keep strong for ANY athlete to help keep injury's down (hamstring, knee, etc)

Hammer curls are used mainly to help keep elbows healthy and for on field intimidation  ;D

Close grip bench, of course for explosiveness and as supplemental to the BP.

*Some sort of posterior chain exercise is done in each workout, GH raise, RDL, 1RDL or pull troughs, leg curls are NEVER done. 






 

What are you doing the other 2 days a week?

The same routine or a different one?

How about rep ranges and volume, does it stay the same for each workout of the week or does it differ.

All of what you said is fine. But in one workout thats a bit too much.

Theres no way any type of intensity can be kept thru that workout. If your training hard your finished after the bench press and the first tri set. Especially if your natural.

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Dynamic Warm-up
Box Squats

A1) DB Floor Press or Palms in DB bench
A2) Reverse Lunge or step ups with olympic bar

B1) Chest supported DB Row (single arm)
B2) 1RDL
B3) 1 Arm LM Press

This would be a day 2 sample.

One power lift (another indicator lift)

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What are you doing the other 2 days a week?

The same routine or a different one?

How about rep ranges and volume, does it stay the same for each workout of the week or does it differ.

All of what you said is fine. But in one workout thats a bit too much.

Theres no way any type of intensity can be kept thru that workout. If your training hard your finished after the bench press and the first tri set. Especially if your natural.

It's full body :-\

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Dynamic Warm-up
Box Squats

A1) DB Floor Press or Palms in DB bench
A2) Reverse Lunge or step ups with olympic bar

B1) Chest supported DB Row (single arm)
B2) 1RDL
B3) 1 Arm LM Press

This would be a day 2 sample.

One power lift (another indicator lift)
Thats fine. Thats about the most id do on a full body routine in a single training session.

But still, that first day is way too much.

I prefer a 4 day upper/lower split over a fullbody split tho. But if you have to train 3 days a week I like a full/upper/lower split more then 3 days of fullbody training. Much better recovery. And each bodypart is still hit 2wice a week but with my intensity and better recovery.

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What are you doing the other 2 days a week?

The same routine or a different one?

How about rep ranges and volume, does it stay the same for each workout of the week or does it differ.

All of what you said is fine. But in one workout thats a bit too much.

Theres no way any type of intensity can be kept thru that workout. If your training hard your finished after the bench press and the first tri set. Especially if your natural.

This is similar team routines we use for HS, it's not meant to easy it's also not meant for someone who isn't use to this type of intensity. They get done in less than an hour (give or take) 1st day's and third days we start with O-lifts on the second day, plyos.

*This would be harder for someone who is NOT natural

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It's full body :-\

bro, its 9 exercises on a fullbody workout. And your including chains,bands,heavy deads,rotational work,unilateral upper and lower body work, tri sets!

thats a whole lot for one person to do in one workout.

fullbody training or not that has to be condensed. thats too much.

your throwing everything in your playbook all in one workout. thats like everytime you have sex having oral,vaginal,anal,using toys,bringing in another girl and giving facials every single time. of course you woudnt do that and with training its the same thing.

Especially if your doing 3 fullbody sessions per week there is no need for 9 exercises. A fullbody workout doesnt mean you have to work each bodypart individually in it.

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This is similar team routines we use for HS, it's not meant to easy it's also not meant for someone who isn't use to this type of intensity. They get done in less than an hour (give or take) 1st day's and third days we start with O-lifts on the second day, plyos.

*This would be harder for someone who is NOT natural

Theres no way you have anything left for hammer curls and cgb after the routine you posted coach. So why do them if you cant give them all out effort?


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Theres no way you have anything left for hammer curls and cgb after the routine you posted coach. So why do them if you cant give them all out effort?



Absolutely there is. I see what you're saying, you're looking CNS OL, I'm looking keeping the CNS excited but also having the muscle group trained resting for 3-4 min between rounds. Volume is kept low on main lifts on supplemental a bit higher. Despite you thinking it's CNS OL, mechanics are not sacrificed. There are 2 exercises per body part for upper and lower. Three rounds, Four max on the first part of the workout, three rounds MAX on the second part.

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Absolutely there is. I see what you're saying, you're looking CNS OL, I'm looking keeping the CNS excited but also having the muscle group trained resting for 3-4 min between rounds. Volume is kept low on main lifts on supplemental a bit higher. Despite you thinking it's CNS OL, mechanics are not sacrificed. There are 2 exercises per body part for upper and lower. Three rounds, Four max on the first part of the workout, three rounds MAX on the second part.
If it works then it works.

I cant argue with results.

And for the most part I dont think cns overload occurs too often. Most people dont train hard, heavy, or intense enough for that to happen. Im mostly talking about general fatigue.

To me cns overload is like overtraining. Its an overused cop out for people who dont eat enough or train smart enough or are just plain lazy.

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Yes, I agree with that. As a season gets closer we eliminate a third day in the gym and replace it with strongman training.

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Yes, I agree with that. As a season gets closer we eliminate a third day in the gym and replace it with strongman training.
Sounds like fun.


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Might look something like this


Heavy BP (brd, rev bnd)

a1) Weighted Chins
a 2) Trap Bar Deads
a3) Rotation Chops
B1) Alt DB Incline
B2) Elevated Bulg spilt Squat
B3) Pull Throughs or GH raise

Close grip bench
Hammer curls

Not an exact but a basic template.

I was thinking of choosing 2-3 exercises for each bpart and do them like supersets in a workout. For example chest with back, bis with tris, shoulders with traps and some leg work.

Almost like a "depletion workout" competitors do a week before the contest you know.

What do you think?

Of course I wont stick to it for many days. Im going to do it for a workout just to experiment.