my current mass building plans

[chess315]

 I have been reading this board in the background for quite a while. I am on test only and thats all I have used the last 2 yrs at around a 100-mg a cycle I decided I want to get really jacked as of late becuase of age 34 if I dont do it now I want be able to later. SO with this i in mind I started dieting down around janurary from 245 down to 205 in aprox 6 weeks on 400mg of test. The I have gainrd all the lost muscle back trying to bring up in balances. I have puny arms and legs my trainin gis a 2 day split done as much as I can tolerate
chest  bis
tris     legs
back
delts

I train in a home gym with a squat rack and bench and chin bar and primitave cable pull down and 800lbs or so of iron
I am on 1500mg of test at the moment and making good gains i recently added preworkout slin 9ius and igfdes prewrokout and ghrps6

so my next step should be to get tren and test and diet to 6% bf I will have gh in the future to what shpould my dosage be for the diet down and should I use masterdron I will start the dieting once my gains stall currently and after that is completed which should be no problem. I want to run the diet cycle failry low dose 250 test 200 tren if relsults are lagging up the tren

what should my next bulk cycle look like I am guess 1500mg of test 400-600 tren depending on how tolerated 300- 400 deca
and as much gh as I can get my hands on is this correct I am currently 230 or so and 6'1 my diet consists of between 350-450grams of protein and around 5000 calories some day I just can eat a lot more then others I get prolly 70% of my protein from meat. am I making any mistakes in what I am doing or my future plan?

my best lifts are
over 500dead
squated 300 14 times
bench 315 for 8
i need to bring up my arms and legs bad as I am lengthy I am considring buying a leg press as I dont feel squats only are the best for someone of my height

[chess315]

I have no posing know how by the way I will take some pic of my legs eventually I have no wheeeeels lol but my goal is not ot compete but to look very good and symetrical if I do what I need who knows I may want to step on stage at some point

[wild willie]

Looking pretty darn good bro


chest and traps look good.....maybe need to bring up delts and arms a bit......you look quite lean.


can't tell on your legs......1500 on test might be too much.....just my .02.....tren and deca sounds good.

I would focus on laterals and presses for delts.....preachers and concentrations for bis.....close grip smith machine for tris......traps look real good as does the chest......back isn't half bad either.

Keep up the great work!

[chess315]

I built all my muscle using just basic execises and full body workouts 1500 is the highest dose I have ran. and this is the first time. 

[chess315]

I am not running that all I am running now is test and test is cheap.

[abijahmaniaco]

doses of test above 600mg are not worth the cost-to-benefit ratio (that's what william llewellyn preaches and i agree) unless you're running it w/ hgh of course--gh15 approved.

[chess315]

thanx for the input I agree its what I have on hand obviously it gets better results lol and is the cheapest but I have no doubt I would be better served with less test and tren or deca and I am going to diet start dieting in the next few weeks to 6 % -8% then start the climb for ultimate size I have trained of and on  my adult life but am still fairly raw when it come to training with only looks in mind I mean I obviously realise I looked decent so it was more of a side concern. I still feel my dead and squat and bench be stronger to reach near peak size

[local hero]

doses of test above 600mg are not worth the cost-to-benefit ratio (that's what william llewellyn preaches and i agree) unless you're running it w/ hgh of course--gh15 approved.

are you for real?.... altho 1500 is probly too much for 1st cycle, i think much less than a gram is a waste of time

[Arnold jr]

doses of test above 600mg are not worth the cost-to-benefit ratio (that's what william llewellyn preaches and i agree) unless you're running it w/ hgh of course--gh15 approved.

There doesn't seem to be a big difference between 500mg/wk and 750mg/wk, at least there never was for me but the difference between 750mg/wk and 1,000mg/wk was a different story, very noticeable and much more noticeable than 500mg/wk. Over 1,000mg/wk never seemed to produce that big of a difference either, not until the numbers approached 1,750mg/wk which was the most I ever ran at one time.

[notsureifsrs]

There doesn't seem to be a big difference between 500mg/wk and 750mg/wk, at least there never was for me but the difference between 750mg/wk and 1,000mg/wk was a different story, very noticeable and much more noticeable than 500mg/wk. Over 1,000mg/wk never seemed to produce that big of a difference either, not until the numbers approached 1,750mg/wk which was the most I ever ran at one time.

Ddid you run 1g with and without hgh?
have you seen any noticeable difference?

[local hero]

i have plenty times... why do you think u need to have hgh in your body for it to work?

[Arnold jr]

Ddid you run 1g with and without hgh?
have you seen any noticeable difference?

Yes to both and more times without HGH then with. The one time I ran 1750mg I didn't use any HGH and it was one of the if not the most powerful cycle I'd ever run but it was also fairly harsh. 250mg test every day along with 100mg tren and 50mg dbol.

[chess315]

I agree 1500mg is a world of difference with no hgh I am using peps which I feel are working but proably equal to 1-3 ius of gh at the most its. Its not even comparble. I was naive I always have known what pros take or the round abouts of that but I thought 1000grams should build a decent body which I think it will but nothing monstrous I dont feel a gram of gear would get you even near a john cena build unless you are a gentic freak. You also have to take in consideration Im 6'1 I have to be at least 250 with abs to look really big and thats the goal. I think Ill get close in 1yr.

[chess315]

I will update my progress but this is one you guys should pay attention to in the coming months as I am near as geneticly average as can be no how to eat so you will see what a high dose cycle will do comapred to the normal web bullshit on a  average person. but the protocol stay the same for a few more weeks until the getting lean phase which I will document.

[chess315]

another thing on cycle saftey whats safer running something and getting results or low dosing and getting nothing? I mean if you dick around a decade and dont get anywhere and still used drugs thats not worth it imo. Plus in the end if you dont give up out of frustration u will high dose anyways

[local hero]

thing is,,, and this is my personal view, i think your better off easing off a little, gram a week, add in some decca and some dbol...

give your self time to grow, dont expect miracles and dont be impatient... youl soon hit your limit at that level assuming your training and diet is upto scratch, then add whatever u want to get past that, slin,gh, up the dose or all 3......

[chess315]

this is my first time ever even being over a gram of anything I no Im not the biggest or best built but Im not the worst either I around 230 at prolly 11-12% plus age is factor I dont think it will be magic but in reality if I gain another 20 lean lbs of muscle I would be failry impressive I have no ambitons or dreams of turing pro I just wanna be around 250 at 10%bf  I think that should be attainble in a fairly short time ie less the 2 yrs. It more of just a personal challenge i been around weight lifting of and on my whole life but for the biggest majority I didnt workout and when I did it was hardly in a body building manor