Author Topic: I need help comming off. (Read 10030 times)

DK II · « **Reply #50 on:** April 01, 2011, 06:00:16 AM »

Quote from: Meso_z on April 01, 2011, 05:42:31 AM

no homo?

errr yes, sorry.

local hero · « **Reply #51 on:** April 01, 2011, 10:35:42 AM »

....is there somthing?

Meso_z · « **Reply #52 on:** April 01, 2011, 12:49:31 PM »

Quote from: local hero on April 01, 2011, 10:35:42 AM

....is there somthing?

?

Game Time · « **Reply #53 on:** April 02, 2011, 07:01:45 PM »

Thats crazy for 4 months off. When I go off I can maintain/gain lifts for 1month. I also look much better due to water loss.

After that 1st month it's over! I turn into a weak, fat skinny peice of shit (by my standards). Realistically I dont look that bad when off, but all my lifts go down drastically.

Meso_z · « **Reply #54 on:** April 02, 2011, 09:24:59 PM »

I was stonger in all of my lifts, some in weight and some in reps 1 month after i came off...then for another month i maintained my baseline strengh and the last 2.5 months my strength gradually decreased and i looked smaller..

Meso_z · « **Reply #55 on:** April 24, 2011, 12:29:41 AM »

Update.....no pics. $:-\$

Im so fucking bored to take pics, seriously. Plus its nothing special to see lol.

So Im back at 90kg..stopped sdrol a week ago. So I guess I did put my "mass" (water, fat and a little bit of muscle) back. rofl

Because Im disgusted from all the eating all looking bloated...I love my thin face and I hate it when I turn tomatoe red even from laughing. lol

Im starting diet from next week..low carbs.

stack will be my lovely test and deca + I will add some proviron (old school stack OR poor mans stack

)...when i get lean enough I will drop the test stavios style and up the deca - as musch as I can afford. Proviron and maybe an oral by the end of august. September I will do "pct" and then I hope to comme off for a looong time..

All the above are just my thoughts at the moment which might change as Im not a stable person as far as decisions go.

notsureifsrs · « **Reply #56 on:** April 24, 2011, 04:24:25 AM »

Quote from: Meso_z on April 24, 2011, 12:29:41 AM

Update.....no pics. $:-\$ Im so fucking bored to take pics, seriously. Plus its nothing special to see lol.

So Im back at 90kg..stopped sdrol a week ago. So I guess I did put my "mass" (water, fat and a little bit of muscle) back. rofl

Because Im disgusted from all the eating all looking bloated...I love my thin face and I hate it when I turn tomatoe red even from laughing. lol

Im starting diet from next week..low carbs.

stack will be my lovely test and deca + I will add some proviron (old school stack OR poor mans stack )...when i get lean enough I will drop the test stavios style and up the deca - as musch as I can afford. Proviron and maybe an oral by the end of august. September I will do "pct" and then I hope to comme off for a looong time..

All the above are just my thoughts at the moment which might change as Im not a stable person as far as decisions go.

But why Deca ?
and it's kinda wired decision to take deca as the last thing, i mean the recover after Deca is pretty long...

Meso_z · « **Reply #57 on:** April 24, 2011, 05:32:44 AM »

Quote from: notsureifsrs on April 24, 2011, 04:24:25 AM

But why Deca ?
and it's kinda wired decision to take deca as the last thing, i mean the recover after Deca is pretty long...

I think its broscience..the whole "recovery" thing..you will recover sooner or later. lol

tstmaniac · « **Reply #58 on:** April 24, 2011, 08:47:59 AM »

Man I would have deca ddick so fast without test

local hero · « **Reply #59 on:** April 25, 2011, 02:17:58 AM »

ive got to admit, ive never ever sufferd from the decca dick/tren dick thing.... i think part of the recovery thing is mental, as comming off seriously fucks with your head makes u a little depressed, the pct i think kind of eases the pain and fools you that it isnt so bad

tstmaniac · « **Reply #60 on:** April 25, 2011, 10:00:09 PM »

I get deca dick even when takin twice as much test...and that shit makes my hair fall out so I don't fuck with it anymore

DIVISION · « **Reply #61 on:** May 18, 2011, 10:55:28 AM »

Quote from: Meso_z on October 30, 2010, 01:03:35 AM

I need your opinion..after a thread on the streroids board regarding "staying on".

I was planning to go off the drugs a while ago, i juiced for like 1.5 - 2 years straight..

So, to make it more "painless" i just cruised with 250 test until i would come off...I cruised for 8 weeks "successfuly " and in the 9th week (NOW) i blew it. got back on 1 gram test...im on this for a week now.

NOW im seriously thinking of how STUPID i was and consider going off for like 6-7 months...is it a good idea to stop it cold turkey from next week?

as for pct, i will only use tribulus.

You have to think "big picture" when planning your cycle and recovery.

After running 1G ew for over a year, I took over six months to recover while slowly lowering my dosage.

I ran Nolvadex while weaning off Test and have fully recovered with no longterm "potency" issues.

The older I get, the more I realize overall health is more important in the long run........though I miss the "rush" at times.

DIV

Meso_z · « **Reply #62 on:** June 01, 2011, 12:40:54 AM »

A small update. its not like anyone cares.

test+deca. weight the same.
In the morning after a piss and a dump, 189 pounds. Good pounds, still have striations in the hams, quads and veins, abs are blurry, they are always like that if im not in contest shape thats why im trying to balance it with training with weights to "pop".

Now, regarding my weight, i want to make myself clear im not bulking, in fact im eating a little.. with free meals frequently.
If i gain weight, i try to lose it. if i lose weight im happy and if i remain the same weight im even happier.
**I ate a SHITLOAD of stracciatela icecream yesterday after training (with liquid clen syryp spilled all over the top rofl), my farts smelled like hell all day long.haha. today im lighter ..wtf.

Red face is gone without touching anything (thank god). it must have been the sdrol.

ive also started hcg today. 1500iu e4d for 3-4 weeks. just because.

Fitness4Life · « **Reply #63 on:** June 01, 2011, 09:13:08 PM »

Quote from: Meso_z on June 01, 2011, 12:40:54 AM

A small update. its not like anyone cares.

test+deca. weight the same.
In the morning after a piss and a dump, 189 pounds. Good pounds, still have striations in the hams, quads and veins, abs are blurry, they are always like that if im not in contest shape thats why im trying to balance it with training with weights to "pop".

Now, regarding my weight, i want to make myself clear im not bulking, in fact im eating a little.. with free meals frequently.
If i gain weight, i try to lose it. if i lose weight im happy and if i remain the same weight im even happier.
**I ate a SHITLOAD of stracciatela icecream yesterday after training (with liquid clen syryp spilled all over the top rofl), my farts smelled like hell all day long.haha. today im lighter ..wtf.

Red face is gone without touching anything (thank god). it must have been the sdrol.

ive also started hcg today. 1500iu e4d for 3-4 weeks. just because.

This is a sad thread, it's like reading an obituary lol. I understand why you're coming off the juice, but from the pix you did have potential. It is expensive though, and time consuming, I'm trying to see if I got what it takes, see how far I can go, at this point, I'm broke, only got time for myself and no one else. Any other person would find my life, sad lol.

Meso_z · « **Reply #64 on:** June 01, 2011, 10:41:06 PM »

Quote from: Fitness4Life on June 01, 2011, 09:13:08 PM

This is a sad thread, it's like reading an obituary lol. I understand why you're coming off the juice, but from the pix you did have potential. It is expensive though, and time consuming, I'm trying to see if I got what it takes, see how far I can go, at this point, I'm broke, only got time for myself and no one else. Any other person would find my life, sad lol.

I believe and been told that I have all the potential needed to be a good competitive bber. Its just the $$$ needed that hold me back...so i stick with low dosages, basic drugs and ok eating.

muscle19 · « **Reply #65 on:** June 10, 2011, 06:06:11 PM »

Quote from: Arnold jr on October 30, 2010, 11:50:13 PM

Whatever you do, do not come off cold turkey! Trust me, speaking from unwanted experience, cold turkey is hell on earth.

If you're really wanting to come off from such a long run, transition into it like you had planned. Drop back down to 250wk for a few wks, then drop it down to 250 every 10-11 days for about a month. After that start a run of HCG for 10-12 days, 1,000-1,500iu/ed. Then start clomid/nolva...I'd plan on a minimum of 4wks, 6wks being more like it.

AJ, now if someone was using hcg throughtout a longer cycle, woudl they be wise to do this hcg protocol or should drop the hcg during cycle and then hit that? and how much nolva/clomid to take?

muscle19 · « **Reply #66 on:** June 10, 2011, 06:08:22 PM »

Quote from: Meso_z on June 01, 2011, 12:40:54 AM

A small update. its not like anyone cares.

test+deca. weight the same.
In the morning after a piss and a dump, 189 pounds. Good pounds, still have striations in the hams, quads and veins, abs are blurry, they are always like that if im not in contest shape thats why im trying to balance it with training with weights to "pop".

Now, regarding my weight, i want to make myself clear im not bulking, in fact im eating a little.. with free meals frequently.
If i gain weight, i try to lose it. if i lose weight im happy and if i remain the same weight im even happier.
**I ate a SHITLOAD of stracciatela icecream yesterday after training (with liquid clen syryp spilled all over the top rofl), my farts smelled like hell all day long.haha. today im lighter ..wtf.

Red face is gone without touching anything (thank god). it must have been the sdrol.

ive also started hcg today. 1500iu e4d for 3-4 weeks. just because.

whats the reason for thr hcg kick? and doyou ever run it throughtout a cycle?

Arnold jr · « **Reply #67 on:** June 10, 2011, 06:19:46 PM »

Quote from: muscle19 on June 10, 2011, 06:06:11 PM

AJ, now if someone was using hcg throughtout a longer cycle, woudl they be wise to do this hcg protocol or should drop the hcg during cycle and then hit that? and how much nolva/clomid to take?

More than likely they wouldn't need the hcg during PCT if they've been using it on cycle. However, long harsh cycles it probably wouldn't hurt to use it during PCT just to be on the safe side...and to clarify, long harsh cycles are not 16wk cycles but more like 24-36 wk runs that combine part of an off-season and contest diet and just a lot of bodily stress.

In most cases 4 wks of Nolva, 40, 40, 20, 20 is pretty good for most guys, clomid wise I prefer something more like 150, 150, 100, 50. I've also used combos of both in the past, although it's not really necessary as they're so closely related, it seemed to be a pretty good mix for me.

tstmaniac · « **Reply #68 on:** June 19, 2011, 10:30:21 PM »

I also use a combo of the two...feels more effective for me but very well could be in my head

apply85 · « **Reply #69 on:** June 23, 2011, 06:05:42 PM »

I'm learning quite a bit in this thread, thanks a lot meso. The things that worry me the most aren't the anabolic parts, they're the androgenic side effects. Gh 15 comes off as if I'll never need a PCT, but something tells me he wont be there to apologize when I'm walking around with testicles the size my nipples used to be and nipples the size of his testacles. I'm thinking of doing my first cycle within the next two years, all oral. Start with dianabol for first month, second month transition to anadrol. The last month I want to be doing 10 mgs of Dbol and 30-40 mgs of anadrol. I'm thinking I'll take clomid a week before I start just to get super lean, then stop during the cycle and feel it out. Should I expect a super depression for the first week I'm off just from orals? Is it funny that I'm worried my balls will shrink from this weak a cycle?