Differences between Multis with and without iron?

[Meso_z]

Well, except the obvious... one with iron and the other without. 

Why do they categorize them like that?

[JasonH]

Well, except the obvious... one with iron and the other without. 

Why do they categorize them like that?

I've often wondered this too and the only reason that I can think of is that some people, (especially women) are at greater risk from iron deficiency and would probably benefit more from taking the multi-vits with iron added whereas I'm not sure it really matters for men which one they take.

Me personally I tend to buy the ones with iron included just to be on the safe side.

[Meso_z]

I've often wondered this too and the only reason that I can think of is that some people, (especially women) are at greater risk from iron deficiency and would probably benefit more from taking the multi-vits with iron added whereas I'm not sure it really matters for men which one they take.

Me personally I tend to buy the ones with iron included just to be on the safe side.

Yes me too...but sometimes I think that maybe its a bad thing..

Lets here more opinions.. 

[Montague]

Yes me too...but sometimes I think that maybe its a bad thing..

Lets here more opinions..  

Oh, some hypochondriac-types are just paranoid about a developing a little bit of hemochromatosis.
HEAVEN FORBID…

 

Seriously, some people need additional iron in their diets due to a deficiency.
Oftentimes, it tends to be young kids and pregnant or menstruating women because they have higher iron needs.
Also, frequently donating blood can deplete your iron levels, which is why they usually check the last time you donated and test your iron count.
Finally, if you live on lousy dietary habits, you may come in on the low end.

Healthy people with sufficient iron levels should probably avoid supplemental forms of iron, as too much can lead to an overload, which "may" affect various vital organs, including the liver.
There is a variety of health problems that iron overload can lead to, ranging from minor to severe, and it's virtually impossible to predict where you will fall should you develop problems.

If you’re deemed to NOT have a deficiency, you may wish to avoid additional iron in your diet.

[suckmymuscle]

Differences between Multis with and without iron?

  Iron is bad for babies. Unless you are a baby or a lactating mother, multis with Iron are better than without.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Princess L]

Men usually don't need to supplement with iron and shouldn't. - it builds up (unless regular blood donors ). (menstruating ) women on the other hand usually should since they lose blood every month.

[Necrosis]

Oh, some hypochondriac-types are just paranoid about a developing a little bit of hemochromatosis.
HEAVEN FORBID…

 

Seriously, some people need additional iron in their diets due to a deficiency.
Oftentimes, it tends to be young kids and pregnant or menstruating women because they have higher iron needs.
Also, frequently donating blood can deplete your iron levels, which is why they usually check the last time you donated and test your iron count.
Finally, if you live on lousy dietary habits, you may come in on the low end.

Healthy people with sufficient iron levels should probably avoid supplemental forms of iron, as too much can lead to an overload, which "may" affect various vital organs, including the liver.
There is a variety of health problems that iron overload can lead to, ranging from minor to severe, and it's virtually impossible to predict where you will fall should you develop problems.

If you’re deemed to NOT have a deficiency, you may wish to avoid additional iron in your diet.

great advice, especially with this population(fitness/bodybuilding), iron cannot be removed expect for phelbotamy or obviously bleeding. Such that people who eat alot of meat and who also supplement are in danger of overload which makes your redox system go crazy.

If you have microcytic hypochromic iron deficiency anemia then supplement. You might want to add in vitamin c as it increases iron stores if anemia is your issue.

supplemental iron is generally a bad idea in meat eating men especially, unless they somehow severly cut themselves weekly

Sorry about the post my laptop is terrible and skipping letters etc.

[Montague]

great advice

Thanks!!

[Princess L]

Supplemental iron never did much for me.    The blood center always spins it down and says I'm too low to donate.  I've even tried eating red meat daily in advance of a donation appt. I've only squeaked by a couple of times.  We'll see next week.

[Necrosis]

Supplemental iron never did much for me.    The blood center always spins it down and says I'm too low to donate.  I've even tried eating red meat daily in advance of a donation appt. I've only squeaked by a couple of times.  We'll see next week.

are you iron deficient anemic?

if so try avoid tannins, phytates and calcium they inhibit abosorption and transferrins action in the gut.

Also try increasing vitamin c intake and even adding in lactoferrin. Ferric pyrophosphate is also the most bioavailable.

hope that helps. You could also try going amenorrhic its the cool thing to do.

[Princess L]

are you iron deficient anemic?

if so try avoid tannins, phytates and calcium they inhibit abosorption and transferrins action in the gut.

yah right 
you don't know who you're talking to  

Also try increasing vitamin c intake and even adding in lactoferrin. Ferric pyrophosphate is also the most bioavailable.

hope that helps. You could also try going amenorrhic its the cool thing to do.

Maybe in high school it is 
or are you talking about that new(er) BC pill that's out?  Bad idea messing around with hormones like that IMO.

[Necrosis]

yah right 
you don't know who you're talking to  
Maybe in high school it is 
or are you talking about that new(er) BC pill that's out?  Bad idea messing around with hormones like that IMO.

i was kidding

[tbombz]

necrosis wats ur view on vitamins.

i havent taken a multi or any supplemental vitamins for the past 6 months or so.

i take calcium on days i dont get any dairy.

and i try to eat vegetables daily.

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[flinstones1]

 Pain in the ass getting in the vegetables though.. I had one girl who  loved to cook  for me and I could easily get 5 servings in a day but if you dont have one to cook for you it's very time consuming. Raw vegetables suck!

[Necrosis]

necrosis wats ur view on vitamins.

i havent taken a multi or any supplemental vitamins for the past 6 months or so.

i take calcium on days i dont get any dairy.

and i try to eat vegetables daily.

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multi vitamins are ok i guess, they dont make a ton of sense in that many minerals and vitamins have antagonistic effects. However, specific supplementation is recommended for some vitamins and minerals.

You being a man calcium supplementation doesnt make much sense as osteoporosis is not a real concern and you do alot of weight bearing exercises to increase bone density. Also, recent studies have shown that in woman supplemental calcium over 1 gram increases risk of cardiovascular disease due to vascular calcification. I would say it is not useful to you and also potentially harmful being a male, at your age and activity level, along with the diet i suspect you consume.

Vitamin D is certainly needed in north america, specifically higher latititudes, it is a hormone with far reaching effects. I would supplement with 4000ius daily.

Magnesium has tons of benefits for stress, muscle, inflammation and cognition, it has also been demonstrated to be low in a large population due to the reduction of fruits and veggies, nuts etc. Also, magnesium was once part of drinking water which would prevent pathology. Hypomagnesia is a common problem. Other then that i would say no other vitamin or mineral is needed or better yet needed to be supplemented granted one eats a balanced diet.

if you have a specific health concern, the parameters would certainly change. hope that helps.

[tbombz]

thanks for the reply

i was under the assumption that a high protein diet caused increased calcium requirements due to ph-balancing processes?? i eat veggies to counter this but add calcium anyways..   no benefit?

ill add some magnesium

[Necrosis]

thanks for the reply

i was under the assumption that a high protein diet caused increased calcium requirements due to ph-balancing processes?? i eat veggies to counter this but add calcium anyways..   no benefit?

ill add some magnesium

blood ph is tightly regulated, unless  you are vomitting non stop you are not going to get metabolic alkalosis or the reverse.

The fruits and vegetables should counter any issues you make have.  Ph is not something one should be worried about unless ill, as the body as very evolved mechanisms to take care of it.

You could do breathing exercises that would promote more alkalinization then calcium.

your diet should be sufficient and i cant stress magnesium and vitamin d enough.

[tbombz]

blood ph is tightly regulated, unless  you are vomitting non stop you are not going to get metabolic alkalosis or the reverse.

The fruits and vegetables should counter any issues you make have.  Ph is not something one should be worried about unless ill, as the body as very evolved mechanisms to take care of it.

You could do breathing exercises that would promote more alkalinization then calcium.

your diet should be sufficient and i cant stress magnesium and vitamin d enough.

I know ph doesn't change but when the diet is highly acidic the body has to balance that and that balancing process draws calcium from the bones ...    Correct?

[Necrosis]

I know ph doesn't change but when the diet is highly acidic the body has to balance that and that balancing process draws calcium from the bones ...    Correct?

yes, bicarbonate as well.

thats if you are acidic however, intestinal bicarb usually corrects the issue, both alkalosis and acidosis are illnesses you dont want to sway the issue either way.

magnesium citrate would alkalinize your body better, specifically because of the liberation of citrate.

there is probably nothing wrong with supplementing low doses of calcium, however, if you body ph is the reason why there are safer and better ways to go about it imo.

load bearing exercises should ensure you dont have excessive bone leaching. Keep in mind that bone mineralization will not occur if you do not have adequate vitamin D and accessory minerals like boron, strontium etc.

you are shifting the balance towards osteoblast activity with your lifestyle anyhow.

this is just my opinion of course, acidosis has some obvious symptoms and signs.

[tbombz]

yes, bicarbonate as well.

thats if you are acidic however, intestinal bicarb usually corrects the issue, both alkalosis and acidosis are illnesses you dont want to sway the issue either way.

magnesium citrate would alkalinize your body better, specifically because of the liberation of citrate.

there is probably nothing wrong with supplementing low doses of calcium, however, if you body ph is the reason why there are safer and better ways to go about it imo.

load bearing exercises should ensure you dont have excessive bone leaching. Keep in mind that bone mineralization will not occur if you do not have adequate vitamin D and accessory minerals like boron, strontium etc.

you are shifting the balance towards osteoblast activity with your lifestyle anyhow.

this is just my opinion of course, acidosis has some obvious symptoms and signs.

good stuff. thanks