In your opinion, what are the minimum strength levels to start juicing?

[Xerxes]

LOL, well not 135lbs, but i am not strong, and i probably never will be.

I have very small joints, which is great for BB but sucks for strength. I also never go below 6 reps, i don't bother how strong i am, as long as i grow. With time and more juice, i will get stronger anyways.

But for BB, it's a side effect and not important.

you know I love you, its ok I accept you as meine bruder even if you are a all drugs son of a bitch

[DK II]

you know I love you, its ok I accept you as meine bruder even if you are a all drugs son of a bitch

Thanks, you bring tears to my eyes.... 

[Xerxes]

Thanks, you bring tears to my eyes.... 

 

[WillGrant]

no offense guys but swedish sounds like such an ugly language  

There women make up for it though - hot!! :p 

[gh15]

315 bench at least.
You need to know how to build a body before going on. Otherwise it's like putting NOS in a car with only 100hp

lol,, i have no words to say about this,, i dont think anyone of current profesionals waited to bench press 3 plates each side beforee went on hormones,, NONE OF THEM! mayeb kai lol im talkin 10 reps lol you can play with it some ,, but 300+ is usualy horminized lifter,, any time any place,, bodybuild is the drugs! i keep telling you this BODYBUILD = HORMONES,,

yes some can push 315 lb naturally ofcourse,, but to do it 3rd of 4th set when you are single digit bodyfat lol NOT A DAMN CHANCE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD,,

you will never see a true natural lol 7% 180lb and those are the best true naturals.... you will never see them benching 315 for many reps if at all...and matt c is not natural dont give him as example here he is a liar and it was explained to me by van b and i had time to look into it ,,

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[Xerxes]

lol,, i have no words to say about this,, i dont think anyone of current profesionals waited to bench press 3 plates each side beforee went on hormones,, NONE OF THEM! mayeb kai lol im talkin 10 reps lol you can play with it some ,, but 300+ is usualy horminized lifter,, any time any place,, bodybuild is the drugs! i keep telling you this BODYBUILD = HORMONES,,

yes some can push 315 lb naturally ofcourse,, but to do it 3rd of 4th set when you are single digit bodyfat lol NOT A DAMN CHANCE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD,,

you will never see a true natural lol 7% 180lb and those are the best true naturals.... you will never see them benching 315 for many reps if at all...and matt c is not natural dont give him as example here he is a liar and it was explained to me by van b and i had time to look into it ,,

gh15 approved

Thanks gh15 for motivation, when I start my mutation I will ask you for help

[DK II]

Thanks gh15 for motivation, when I start my mutation I will ask you for help

Just ask if you need a hook up. 

[Xerxes]

Just ask if you need a hook up. 

I will if I move to Japan  .

[DK II]

I will if I move to Japan  .

Have you ever heard of "international shipping"? 

[Xerxes]

Have you ever heard of "international shipping"? 

[Bobby]

lol,, i have no words to say about this,, i dont think anyone of current profesionals waited to bench press 3 plates each side beforee went on hormones,, NONE OF THEM! mayeb kai lol im talkin 10 reps lol you can play with it some ,, but 300+ is usualy horminized lifter,, any time any place,, bodybuild is the drugs! i keep telling you this BODYBUILD = HORMONES,,

yes some can push 315 lb naturally ofcourse,, but to do it 3rd of 4th set when you are single digit bodyfat lol NOT A DAMN CHANCE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD,,

you will never see a true natural lol 7% 180lb and those are the best true naturals.... you will never see them benching 315 for many reps if at all...and matt c is not natural dont give him as example here he is a liar and it was explained to me by van b and i had time to look into it ,,

gh15 approved

I didn't say you should be able to play with the weight, repping 315 easy is juicer territory. I mean you should be able to do a at least 1 or 2 reps with it, If u can you have a good base. If u can only bench 225 and then start juicing you're all drugs, easy come easy go.

[Bobby]

ha ha yeh right, probly a handfull of people in each gym capable of doing 3 plates plus naturaly

Yeah! That would be the elite, those who can actually become beasts if juicing. What is the point of an average lifter starting to juice?

[DK II]

Yeah! That would be the elite, those who can actually become beasts if juicing. What is the point of an average lifter starting to juice?

Has been said already 10000 times in this thread.

Train natural for a few years, then juice.

[gh15]

I didn't say you should be able to play with the weight, repping 315 easy is juicer territory. I mean you should be able to do a at least 1 or 2 reps with it, If u can you have a good base. If u can only bench 225 and then start juicing you're all drugs, easy come easy go.

no,, many start going on the infamous halodrol when they bench 225 to 275 on creatine.. lol ,,then go on hormones very fats after when they see they are stuck and cant do balonie anymore,, it is usualy on hormones or out of the gym say byebye bodybuild,, trust me on that ,, this is the way everyone is especialy generation nothingness which is rulling last 15 years with iron fist...

225  to 275 is where most start hormonizing themselves...

gh15 approved

[StanZoLOL]

lol,, i have no words to say about this,, i dont think anyone of current profesionals waited to bench press 3 plates each side beforee went on hormones,, NONE OF THEM! mayeb kai lol im talkin 10 reps lol you can play with it somegh15 approved

Reg Park benched 500 in the early 50s, was he hormoized then in your opinion?

[_bruce_]

315 bench at least.
You need to know how to build a body before going on. Otherwise it's like putting NOS in a car with only 100hp

x2

[gh15]

Reg Park benched 500 in the early 50s, was he hormoized then in your opinion?

duh lol,, early 50s prime prime hormanization time in europe and in americana too,,remember ALL legal,, anything that ws offered was legal!,, bodybuild from past are much better from bodybuild today because everything was legit and legal ,, reason they were smaller is.....

all together now pupils..

they didnt have GH AND INSULINA,, as simple as that,,

bodybuild from the past though had everything legit and legal no law no nothing...this is why none of the morons now day can achieve rich gaspari condition ....or lee labrada over all horseesh look to his physiqe,, fellas now day play with underground that half are not even anything inside the vial ..pure oil lol the few underground labs which are cooks who are around are very very private and only work with the ones THEY approve and its not easy to get to them

gh15 approved

[noc]

The only concern I have about joining the dark side is the stories of acne, can't be ruining my handsome face!

What do you say on this matter GH15?! Is it a case of, affecting some and others not at all?

[DK II]

The only concern I have about joining the dark side is the stories of acne, can't be ruining my handsome face!

What do you say on this matter GH15?! Is it a case of, affecting some and others not at all?

Tanning bed, Vit D, antibacterial face wash twice a day, some good moisturizing lotion for the face.

[WillGrant]

The only concern I have about joining the dark side is the stories of acne, can't be ruining my handsome face!

What do you say on this matter GH15?! Is it a case of, affecting some and others not at all?

You answered your own question mate - all drugs have "potential" side effects - it doesn't mean you will get them all - maybe one or two maybe none at all, but if you are unlucky you will get the whole lot

[StanZoLOL]

my face skin actually looks better on. Back is another matter.