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Re: Big Ron Coleman when he was Small Ron in 1990!
« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2011, 03:41:59 PM »
What I am really touching on is what makes someone 'a legend'.

Sure, Coleman won 8 Olympia titles and a million pro-titles. Yes, he dominated for a decade, no questions there. Sure, his form in his first couple of Olympia wins was incredible! You'll get little argument from me there.

But irrespective of these facts, his physique, in and of itself, simply got worse and worse. Does that say something about the quality of his competitors? Does it say something about the judging process? Does it say something about the influence of image creation in the media? Whatever it suggests, it doesn't change the fact that his physique progressively got worse and worse.

If Ronnie's legend status is due to his first couple of wins, okay, I can understand that. That means that Samir is a legend because of his 1983 form, after all, he too got worse over time.

But if it is not because of his first couple of wins, then no, I don't understand why Ronnie gets the status of legend.

You answered your own question , 8 Olympia wins and most pro victories tied Haney for most Olympia wins , that's legendary status right there

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Re: Big Ron Coleman when he was Small Ron in 1990!
« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2011, 03:57:43 PM »
You answered your own question , 8 Olympia wins and most pro victories tied Haney for most Olympia wins , that's legendary status right there

Fair enough.

Chris Dickerson won shows over decades, and in differing organisations. So too did Robby Robinson and Albert Beckles. Frank Zane is a craftsman when it comes to his physique while Shawn Ray and Lee Labrada never destroyed the look of their bodies despite competing for over a decade in the pro ranks.

To me, these are the kinds of bodybuilders that deserve the title of legend. Longevity and craftsmen.

But, I can respect the fact that Ronnie was the man for a decade despite competing with a body that looked worse and worse almost each time he stepped on a stage.

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Re: Big Ron Coleman when he was Small Ron in 1990!
« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2011, 04:01:07 PM »
"rear calves raises" haha

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Re: Big Ron Coleman when he was Small Ron in 1990!
« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2011, 04:05:24 PM »
Fair enough.

Chris Dickerson won shows over decades, and in differing organisations. So too did Robby Robinson and Albert Beckles. Frank Zane is a craftsman when it comes to his physique while Shawn Ray and Lee Labrada never destroyed the look of their bodies despite competing for over a decade in the pro ranks.

To me, these are the kinds of bodybuilders that deserve the title of legend. Longevity and craftsmen.

But, I can respect the fact that Ronnie was the man for a decade despite competing with a body that looked worse and worse almost each time he stepped on a stage.

Samir on Ronnie and his status  ;D

Q ] When people talk of the greatest Olympian's Ronnie's name is usually high on the list. In fact, he is widely regarded as the best bodybuilder of all time.


 Samir Bannout : [ A ] I hate to say this but they are blind. People that don't approve of what we are talking about right now are blind. You have to understand. Look, Ronnie Coleman is probably the most muscular bodybuilder ever. If he could have drawn a better picture of himself on the stage he would have had more appeal, but he did not. He makes himself look worse

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Re: Big Ron when he was Small Ron!!..
« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2011, 05:05:11 PM »
Wish i was that small.
you aint kidding..

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Re: Big Ron Coleman when he was Small Ron in 1990!
« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2011, 05:07:14 PM »
Samir on Ronnie and his status  ;D

Q ] When people talk of the greatest Olympian's Ronnie's name is usually high on the list. In fact, he is widely regarded as the best bodybuilder of all time.


 Samir Bannout : [ A ] I hate to say this but they are blind. People that don't approve of what we are talking about right now are blind. You have to understand. Look, Ronnie Coleman is probably the most muscular bodybuilder ever. If he could have drawn a better picture of himself on the stage he would have had more appeal, but he did not. He makes himself look worse


Yes! This is true, true, true.

I remember reading that interview and when I read the part you just quoted, I thought my God, he is right. He nailed it on the head. Bodybuilders are now experts on making themselves look worse. It's incredible that the sport has regressed to the point where the 'number one' bodybuilder on the planet can get away with being so by not only physically making his physique worse and worse (bloated belly, melting conditioning) but also in getting worse in how he presents it.

Of course, they will tell us that bodybuilding is about physique, as if presenting a physique has nothing to do with how it looks...

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Re: Big Ron Coleman when he was Small Ron in 1990!
« Reply #56 on: August 24, 2011, 02:26:50 AM »
You don't know much about BBing history, do you?

Arnold is constantly criticized for his '80 appearance, for no legs, being too small and taking half the amount of time he usually did to prepare for the contest. Some say he lost in 72 to Sergio, or that he shouldn't have won in 70- which Arnold himself said "Sergio was just as good if not better than me that day, but I won based on how I posed since Sergio forgot I was even there."

Zane didn't get worse? Perhaps you forget that he was in obscurity before he even won his first Olympia, taking a decade or so to win it, after beating Arnold and then getting trounced by Arnold for much of the time it took for him to win the O.

Haney didn't get worse? What about the drug tested Olympia, where many people showed up off, including Lee.

The human body can't take going all out for a number of years, and that's why everyone declines. Everyone. Including Arnold, Zane, Yates, Ronnie and your average gym rat.

There's a Rutger Hauer quote from Blade Runner that applies..."The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. And you have burned so very, very brightly, Roy."

no even in 1990 haney who was away from his best deserved to win.. it was close between him and labrada but still overall he was better..

imo haney was the only multi mr. olympia winner who deserved all his wins.. not sure about arnold but dorian, ronnie, and, cutler all didnt deserve all their sandows!!..

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Re: Big Ron Coleman when he was Small Ron in 1990!
« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2011, 02:30:50 AM »
Look at Levrone, looking over at Ronnie thinking "holy shit  :'("

yes ".. holy shit, what bloated abs.."  :-X

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Re: Big Ron Coleman when he was Small Ron in 1990!
« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2011, 03:09:09 AM »
no even in 1990 haney who was away from his best deserved to win.. it was close between him and labrada but still overall he was better..

imo haney was the only multi mr. olympia winner who deserved all his wins.. not sure about arnold but dorian, ronnie, and, cutler all didnt deserve all their sandows!!..

I think Labrada deserved it in 1990. He just looked so much more balanced and professional.

The only Mr Olympia who truly deserved all of his wins was Samir Bannout :)

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Re: Big Ron Coleman when he was Small Ron in 1990!
« Reply #59 on: August 24, 2011, 03:28:18 AM »
I think Labrada deserved it in 1990. He just looked so much more balanced and professional.

The only Mr Olympia who truly deserved all of his wins was Samir Bannout :)

i have the whole video of mr. olympia 90 and i see lee the deserved winner..

before this olympia it was always "not even close" between haney and his first runner up but in 90 and because he was clearly off (for him) labrada was somehow close but still lost most poses to haney..

here is the posedown:


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Re: Big Ron Coleman when he was Small Ron in 1990!
« Reply #60 on: August 24, 2011, 02:56:00 PM »
i have the whole video of mr. olympia 90 and i see lee the deserved winner..

before this olympia it was always "not even close" between haney and his first runner up but in 90 and because he was clearly off (for him) labrada was somehow close but still lost most poses to haney..

Haney certainly sharpened up after the prejudging which makes one question the sense of having a posedown round worth the same amount as the prejudging rounds.

Bodybuilding has no idea what it's doing.

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Re: Big Ron Coleman when he was Small Ron in 1990!
« Reply #61 on: August 24, 2011, 10:25:13 PM »
I have seem millions of youtube bodybuilding video's, and this is a first for me, so give the guy a break ;)

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Re: Big Ron Coleman when he was Small Ron in 1990!
« Reply #62 on: August 24, 2011, 11:54:51 PM »
I have seem millions of youtube bodybuilding video's, and this is a first for me, so give the guy a break ;)

this confirms ND's assholeness again :-X

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Re: Big Ron Coleman when he was Small Ron in 1990!
« Reply #63 on: August 25, 2011, 01:45:22 AM »
this confirms ND's assholeness again :-X

Hahahahahah no this confirms he didn't see it , you can't escape the FACT it's been posted here multiple times already and you thought you were posting something ' rare '  ;D

this confirms your trend of making threads that backfire in your face  ;)

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Re: Big Ron Coleman when he was Small Ron in 1990!
« Reply #64 on: August 25, 2011, 02:07:41 AM »
Hahahahahah no this confirms he didn't see it , you can't escape the FACT it's been posted here multiple times already and you thought you were posting something ' rare '  ;D

this confirms your trend of making threads that backfire in your face  ;)

even if it's not rare and i called it rare do you think it would have deserved all this effort from you if you were not asshole??.. :-\

and i didnt think i was posting something "rare" as if it's something big ::),.. i just found this video by chance on youtube and it was the first time to see it so i shared here and wrote any fukin title to state the fukin thread and i swear when i read your name as the first to comment and before reading what you wrote i expected your comment would be on the word "rare" and not on the video itself because your have cecome very predictable and boring..