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Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« on: December 21, 2011, 09:45:44 AM »
This is true (will strugle outside Iowa).  Also, if he wins Iowa and starts getting vetted, the Bradley Manning comments HH6 posted, his foreign policy views (especially about Iran), and the 911 stuff will be pretty big roadblocks. 

Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
Tuesday, 20 Dec 2011 09:57 PM

Congressman Ron Paul is one of the favorites to win the Iowa caucuses vote on Jan. 3 but his libertarian and isolationist message may to be too much for Republican voters and party grandees as the nomination process moves to other states.

"What he could do is turn a victory in Iowa into a heart attack for the Republican establishment. They see him as someone they really can't relate to very much," said Tobe Berkowitz, a communications professor at Boston University.

A poll this week showed Paul leading the race in Iowa, where he has a strong organization, ahead of Republican front-runners Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney.

But New Hampshire, the next voting state in the nomination race, is still a stronghold for Romney who leads polls here by double digits. The real key lies beyond the Jan. 10 New Hampshire primary when the focus shifts to the heart of the Republican primary states.

Most opinion polls for South Carolina, the third state to hold a 2012 Republican nominating contest, give a resounding "no" to Paul. The Texan has been polling in single digits in the state, home to many active and retired military personal who may not take kindly to Paul's non-interventionist military doctrine.

"He's a libertarian Republican. Will that play in South Carolina, Georgia and elsewhere? The fact that he's a libertarian throws a lot of monkey-wrenches into Republican orthodoxy," Berkowitz said.

On Tuesday, Paul outlined his views to high school and college students in Manchester, and didn't hold back.

He described U.S. military spending as a subsidy that allows other countries to spend more on their own economies. Federal spending on education only pushes up costs, he said.

A trade war with China would be a tax on low-income Americans. And the United States "is moving toward a military state when the military assumes the rule of law."

He inspires a loyal following, attracted by his no-nonsense attacks on government spending.

STICKS TO HIS BELIEFS

At a Manchester town hall on Monday night, voter Sylvia Tobin, 23, said Paul's "rigidity" was a positive for her. "He has his beliefs, and sticks to them," she said.

"My family is very into Ron Paul. He has the guts to face pressure from the press, and from lobbyists," said Sylvain, a French immigrant who asked that only his first name be used.

He plans to cast his first vote as a U.S. citizen for Paul in the New Hampshire primary.

Success in the polls will bring out much more intense scrutiny from the media and from Paul's Republican rivals.

"He has positions on issues that elements of the Republican Party are going to see as extreme. If Paul manages to win Iowa there is going to be this reaction among Republican elites, who are going to say 'look we can't put Paul forward, we need a safe candidate,'" said Dante Scala, a political scientist at the University of New Hampshire.

Already, Paul has had to deal with the fallout of racist commentary in newsletters that went out under his brand in the 1980s and 1990s, with titles such as "Ron Paul's Freedom Report" and the "Ron Paul Political Report."

In Manchester on Tuesday, Paul brushed off the controversy. "Everyone knows I didn't write those," he said.

A congressman on and off since the 1970s, Paul was an early inspiration for the Tea Party movement and he has found his small-government cause becoming more mainstream.

Some of his decades-long positions, including the need to crack down on - or abolish - the Federal Reserve, have moved toward the Republican mainstream in this election cycle, with candidates such as Gingrich and Texas Governor Rick Perry also taking on the Fed.

Young voters are among the biggest fans of the septuagenarian former obstetrician. Many find Paul's mantra of less government interference appealing.

"He's attractive to people of my generation because younger people don't want to be controlled, and want to make decisions based on the moment," said C. J. Petersen, 18, from Bedford, New Hampshire. Petersen is still undecided.

Paul is in third place with 12.4 percent support in a RealClearPolitics compilation of national polls, behind Gingrich at 27 percent and Romney at 24 percent. (Reporting By Alistair Bell)
 
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/paul-iowa-romney-gingrich/2011/12/20/id/421677

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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2011, 10:26:11 AM »
FOX had him at #2 in New Hampshire.

The most amusing part will be, if he wins the nomination, watching yall have to agree "the bag of shit libs were right, Ron Paul is better than obama..."

You gotta love newsmax noticing RPaul all of a sudden.  Panic at the Limbaugh, levin and hannity boardrooms.

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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 10:34:13 AM »
Does RP's wackiness prevent him from getting the Repub nom?

If by some chance he does get it, does his wackiness prevent him from getting the independent vote?

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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2011, 10:40:55 AM »
Does RP's wackiness prevent him from getting the Repub nom?

If by some chance he does get it, does his wackiness prevent him from getting the independent vote?

I don't think he's wacky.  His foreign policy views are pretty extreme and unrealistic and his comments about Bradley Manning are disturbing. 

I doubt he would draw a significant number of independents.  He's a libertarian, so he'd get those votes, which don't account for much.

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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2011, 10:44:19 AM »
Some of the things RP says make me cringe.    However, he is right on enough things that he has my support.   

Newt/Romney are obama-lite without the commie czars. 

Santorum/bachmann/huntsman  I like, but this issue with the indefinate detention scares the living shit out of me. 


The only one I can be 100% certain would veto this is RP.   


 

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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2011, 02:24:17 PM »
I think the opinion polls have to do with him being a little late to SC.  I'm still not ready to write him off though.  From my own analysis, I think he might be a player.  Even a good showing in NH would do, but IMO he will have to place 2nd or 3rd in SC.  Maybe not though...tough call to predict and voters are sometimes fickle.

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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2011, 02:28:38 PM »
He gets smoked in SC. Thats where the Repubs end this. If he were to win or be a close 2nd...then they have a problem. He's down 12 to Romney nationwide according to RCP.
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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2011, 05:09:07 PM »
While were at this stage I will enjoy watching some of you guys get all wound up over his RP's position right now. Your hatred or belittling of him only  fuels  his supporters. If you Neocvnts , including the media want him gone you would be better off ignoring him because trying to attack him is only having the opposite effect you are seeking. So thanks. lol

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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2011, 05:12:29 PM »
He gets smoked in SC. Thats where the Repubs end this. If he were to win or be a close 2nd...then they have a problem. He's down 12 to Romney nationwide according to RCP.

today, he gets smoked in SC.

But then again, 4 weeks ago he was getting smoked in Iowa too.  Let him get 1st in iowa and 2nd in NH, and you watch how many of you flipflopping voters in SC decide he's your guy.  Yall jumped from bachmann to perry to cain to newt every 4 weeks - what makes you think it'll be any diff?

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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2011, 09:39:31 PM »
yay planting a message before anything happens, not telling any of you to fuck off but fuck off. seriously?


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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2011, 09:49:21 PM »
Does RP's wackiness prevent him from getting the Repub nom?

If by some chance he does get it, does his wackiness prevent him from getting the independent vote?

Ron Paul's strength is getting independents and Democrats. That's why he'd be a perfect candidate to put up against Barack Obama. BO's disillusioned base would flock to Ron Paul.



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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2011, 09:52:22 PM »
great point howard.

repubs don't see that - ron paul will take a LOT of obama votes.  I think we all know people who voted obama in 2008 that would have loved to vote RP in 2008.

And to be honest - does ANY of the gop crop INSPIRE you to want them?  Or is it just 'i dont like obama' that inspires you to vote? 


RPaul inspires a lot of ppl.

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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2011, 03:44:17 AM »
great point howard.

repubs don't see that - ron paul will take a LOT of obama votes.  I think we all know people who voted obama in 2008 that would have loved to vote RP in 2008.

And to be honest - does ANY of the gop crop INSPIRE you to want them?  Or is it just 'i dont like obama' that inspires you to vote? 


RPaul inspires a lot of ppl.

Right now Huntsman is my no 2

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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2011, 04:49:13 AM »
Right now Huntsman is my no 2

I know you like the candidates swinging baseball bats... but doesn't it seem like the 2 calmest, rational voices - Paul and huntsman - are the most presidential?

Hunts moving up a little in NH?

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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2011, 04:53:01 AM »
I know you like the candidates swinging baseball bats... but doesn't it seem like the 2 calmest, rational voices - Paul and huntsman - are the most presidential?

Hunts moving up a little in NH?


I hope so.    Newt romney are obama lite imho.  Bachmann has faded along w santorum. 

Is it so much not to want a shape shifting lying hack? 

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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2011, 05:24:45 AM »

I hope so.    Newt romney are obama lite imho.  Bachmann has faded along w santorum. 

Is it so much not to want a shape shifting lying hack? 


that's the crazy thing.  When people attack ron paul for some newsletter he says he didn't write 25 years ago -

They're automatically looking past the outright liars that Newt, mitt and Obama area.  THeir standards are so skewed because they're scared to choose a candidate that FOX doesn't endorse for them.  Nobdoy can deny Obama lies about everything.  Nobody can deny mitt and newt dont change positions on some pretty major things.

Ron Paul is honest and consistent and was RIGHT about the economic situation in 2008 when no other candidate was.

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Re: Republican Contender Ron Paul May Struggle outside Iowa
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2011, 09:48:54 AM »
While were at this stage I will enjoy watching some of you guys get all wound up over his RP's position right now. Your hatred or belittling of him only  fuels  his supporters. If you Neocvnts , including the media want him gone you would be better off ignoring him because trying to attack him is only having the opposite effect you are seeking. So thanks. lol

This is funny.   :)  I heard someone say on TV the other day that Ron Paul fanatics ignore any positive comments people made about Ron Paul as soon as they hear the person make critical comments.  Absolute truth.  

To characterize the comments on the board as "all wound up" and "hatred" is just comical.