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We would have actually had to release them in about 6 months anyway.  They are not allowed to leave the country and they are under US watch.  The Taliban are pretty much contained at this point....a shell of what they were

Idiot...the same things were said about Al Qaeda.  Right up to the time that they launched a highly organized attack on our consulate in Benghazi...

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Idiot...the same things were said about Al Qaeda.  Right up to the time that they launched a highly organized attack on our consulate in Benghazi...

Man, they sound scary.  lol

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Idiot...the same things were said about Al Qaeda.  Right up to the time that they launched a highly organized attack on our consulate in Benghazi...


Even a broken clock like Al Qaeda gets the right time on occasion....and there was no organization or planning.  Just an unplanned use of an opportunity
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If you truly believe that the attack on Benghazi didn't involve a great deal of planning then you truly are an idiot.  (hint...look at the calendar)

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Even a broken clock like Al Qaeda gets the right time on occasion....and there was no organization or planning.  Just an unplanned use of an opportunity

Where do you come up with this shit? Seriously, you spent what 3 mos as a cook in the navy, now you know everything there is to know about terrorist operations? Word of advice, go back to peddling your "fitness" bullshit..........
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Even a broken clock like Al Qaeda gets the right time on occasion....and there was no organization or planning.  Just an unplanned use of an opportunity

Obama and al queada on the same page - go figure

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Where do you come up with this shit? Seriously, you spent what 3 mos as a cook in the navy, now you know everything there is to know about terrorist operations? Word of advice, go back to peddling your "fitness" bullshit..........

He was to busy scrubbing the poop deck.
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Benghazi was 125 to 150 well armed militants attacking for 8 hours.   Conspiracy theorists like Glen Beck have suggested why their attack was SO focused, what was really going on there, but whether or not that's true, who knows.

It was silent right before they attacked, according to the witness accounts.  12 dozen bad guys crawled in secrecy before their prolonged attack.  They were very focused and despite taking serious losses (our dudes had some heavy firepower) they finally burned them out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack#Assault_on_the_Compound

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Benghazi was 125 to 150 well armed militants attacking for 8 hours.   Conspiracy theorists like Glen Beck have suggested why their attack was SO focused, what was really going on there, but whether or not that's true, who knows.

It was silent right before they attacked, according to the witness accounts.  12 dozen bad guys crawled in secrecy before their prolonged attack.  They were very focused and despite taking serious losses (our dudes had some heavy firepower) they finally burned them out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack#Assault_on_the_Compound


I don't think it was organized......I believe that it only succeeded due to the large crowd of people protesting that movie
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I don't think it was organized......I believe that it only succeeded due to the large crowd of people protesting that movie

LOL "that movie"

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LOL "that movie"




No...not the movie.  The crowd.  Rules of engagement state that you can't fire on civilians.  If there was no crowd, those militants would have been crop dust....two SEALS with SAW's can take all of them out easily
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No...not the movie.  The crowd.  Rules of engagement state that you can't fire on civilians.  If there was no crowd, those militants would have been crop dust....two SEALS with SAW's can take all of them out easily

 You have never been in combat in your life, probably never picked up a weapon, you saw "Rules of Engagement" so shit must be true  ::)
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You have never been in combat in your life, probably never picked up a weapon, you saw "Rules of Engagement" so shit must be true  ::)


No, fortunately I've never had to go into combat however there was a confusion between civilians and actual militant.  In any event, this incident is null and has nothing to do with today.
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the groups arrived in trucks with their terror group logo.
They silently crept into position - didn't alert security at all, until they had completely surrounded the embassy.  
Then they all attacked at once, lobbing grenades to clear the men, THEN firing, THEN coming in with the artillery and the anti-aircraft to prepare for the US help to arrive, which they expected but didn't come.  
They knew they weren't getting past the fused gates so they brought a shitload of diesel fuel to "smoke them out" - pouring it under and lighting it, which is what killed the ambassador.  

In my opinion, it was an organized military style attack on a target.  Well planned, executed at nightfall from every direction, with the tools to smoke em out.   

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the groups arrived in trucks with their terror group logo.
They silently crept into position - didn't alert security at all, until they had completely surrounded the embassy.  
Then they all attacked at once, lobbing grenades to clear the men, THEN firing, THEN coming in with the artillery and the anti-aircraft to prepare for the US help to arrive, which they expected but didn't come.  
They knew they weren't getting past the fused gates so they brought a shitload of diesel fuel to "smoke them out" - pouring it under and lighting it, which is what killed the ambassador.  

In my opinion, it was an organized military style attack on a target.  Well planned, executed at nightfall from every direction, with the tools to smoke em out.   

Yet over a 100 of the militants died in the attack.  Well armed and ready perhaps but obviously the planning was shitty if you're telling everyone to bum rush the building.... ::)
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There was no protest re any movie....that is a complete fabrication.   You can argue the tactics they employed to launch the attack, but the notion that this was some kind of opportunistic, spur of the moment, as if by happenstance attack is nonsense.  It was planned..



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Who the fuck cares.

People like me with multiple friends currently in the fight in Afghanistan.  Anyone who cares about the safety and welfare of our men and women in uniform. 

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People like me with multiple friends currently in the fight in Afghanistan.  Anyone who cares about the safety and welfare of our men and women in uniform. 

As if these 5 assholes who most likely will end up going back aren't a dime a dozen.  I don't give a fuck and stand by original sentiment.

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As if these 5 assholes who most likely will end up going back aren't a dime a dozen.  I don't give a fuck and stand by original sentiment.


That is because you are a pos

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That is because you are a pos

You are eloquent in your wording.

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Al Qaeda insurgents have moved down from Syria and taken Samarra, Mosul, Tikrit and Fallujah...they're within 40 miles of Baghdad.   Yep...we sure did crush Al Qaeda.

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Their 9/11 Role

The Taliban Five are even worse than you’ve heard.

Thomas Joscelyn

June 23, 2014, Vol. 19, No. 39




One of the five senior Taliban leaders transferred to Qatar in exchange for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl played a key role in al Qaeda’s plans leading up to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Mohammad Fazl, who served as the Taliban’s army chief of staff and deputy defense minister prior to his detention at Guantánamo, did not have a hand in planning the actual 9/11 hijackings. Along with a notorious al Qaeda leader, however, Fazl did help coordinate a military offensive against the enemies of the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan the day before. And Osama bin Laden viewed that September 10 offensive as an essential part of al Qaeda’s 9/11 plot.

The 9/11 Commission found that the hijackings in the United States on September 11, 2001, were the culmination of al Qaeda’s three-step plan. First, on September 9, 2001, al Qaeda assassinated Northern Alliance commander Ahmed Shah Massoud in a suicide bombing. Massoud’s death was a major gift to the Taliban because he was their chief rival and still controlled parts of the country. The assassination was also intended to weaken opposition to the Taliban and al Qaeda within Afghanistan before the United States could plan its retaliation for the most devastating terrorist attack in history. The Northern Alliance did, in fact, play a role in America’s response.

The following day, September 10, al Qaeda and the Taliban took their second step. A “delayed Taliban offensive against the Northern Alliance was apparently coordinated to begin as soon as [Massoud] was killed,” the 9/11 Commission found. Fazl and one of bin Laden’s chief lieutenants, Abdul Hadi al Iraqi, played key roles in this setup for 9/11. At the time, al Iraqi oversaw what al Qaeda called the Arab 55th Brigade, which was Osama bin Laden’s chief fighting force inside Afghanistan and fought side by side with Mullah Omar’s forces.

According to a leaked Joint Task Force Guantánamo (JTF-GTMO) threat assessment of Fazl, al Iraqi met with Fazl “on several occasions to include immediately following the assassination of [Massoud] in September 2001.” Al Iraqi “stated the Northern Alliance was demoralized after the assassination and [he] met with [Fazl] to immediately coordinate an attack with the Taliban against the Northern Alliance.”

Al Qaeda viewed both the assassination of Massoud and the offensive launched the following day as necessary components of the 9/11 plot. At first, Mullah Omar and other Taliban leaders were said to be wary of any spectacular attack against the United States, as it would likely draw fierce retaliation from the world’s lone superpower. (The 9/11 Commission did find “some scant indications” that Omar “may have been reconciled to the 9/11 attacks by the time they occurred.”) The plan to attack the United States was controversial even within al Qaeda, with some senior leaders objecting to the idea.

But Osama bin Laden and other al Qaeda leaders believed, correctly, that the first two steps of their plan would ensure the Taliban’s continuing support. The 9/11 Commission found that as Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda’s military chief at the time, Mohammed Atef, “deliberated” the 9/11 hijackings “earlier in the year,” they “would likely have remembered that Mullah Omar was dependent on them for the Massoud assassination and for vital support in the Taliban military operations.” And, while the commission’s sources were “not privy to the full scope of al Qaeda and Taliban planning,” bin Laden and Atef “probably would have known, at least,” that the “general Taliban offensive against the Northern Alliance” on September 10 “would rely on al Qaeda military support.” 

The 9/11 Commission’s final report goes on to say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM), the mastermind of 9/11, remembers Atef “telling him that al Qaeda had an agreement with the Taliban to eliminate Massoud, after which the Taliban would begin an offensive to take over [all of] Afghanistan.”

Mohammad Fazl’s cooperation with al Iraqi was, therefore, part of the plan KSM remembered.

As controversy over the deal for Sgt. Bergdahl has continued to swirl, current and former Obama administration officials have sought to draw a sharp distinction between the threat posed by the Taliban Five and al Qaeda. 

“These five guys are not a threat to the United States,” former secretary of state Hillary Clinton said during an interview on NBC News last week. “They are a threat to the safety and security of Afghanistan and Pakistan. It’s up to those two countries to make the decision once and for all that these are threats to them. So I think we may be kind of missing the bigger picture here. We want to get an American home, whether they fell off the ship because they were drunk or they were pushed or they jumped, we try to rescue everybody.”

State Department deputy spokesperson Marie Harf relied on this same talking point during a press conference on June 5. “Look, these were not good guys. I am in no way defending these men,” Harf said. “But being mid- to high-level officials in a regime that’s grotesque and horrific also doesn’t mean they themselves directly pose a threat to the United States.” During testimony before the House Armed Services Committee on June 11, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel insisted that “we had no direct evidence of any direct involvement in their direct attacks on the United States on any of our troops.” (Under questioning, Hagel conceded that the Taliban Five were, in fact, involved in planning operations against U.S.-led coalition forces in late 2001.) Behind closed doors, other key Obama administration officials have similarly stressed that the Taliban Five don’t directly threaten the United States. The Daily Beast reported that John Brennan, director of the CIA and previously President Obama’s chief counterterrorism adviser, has “argued that the Taliban Five were primarily focused on fighting against other Afghans and never had a record of attacking Americans outside of their own country.”

The Obama administration’s argument misses the point. It is true that Fazl and his Taliban colleagues have not directly planned 9/11-style attacks on the United States. But according to this logic, most of al Qaeda wasn’t a threat on 9/11 and isn’t today. Most al Qaeda operatives are not involved in spectacular terrorist plots against the West. (The 9/11 attacks, for instance, were highly compartmentalized.) Regardless, the Taliban’s relationship with al Qaeda made it considerably easier for Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants to plan their war against the United States, and this nexus remains a threat.

The Taliban’s Afghanistan “was the incubator for al Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks,” the 9/11 Commission found. Another passage from the commission’s final report reads: “The alliance with the Taliban provided al Qaeda a sanctuary in which to train and indoctrinate fighters and terrorists, import weapons, forge ties with other jihad groups and leaders, and plot and staff terrorist schemes.”

In addition to Fazl, each of the other four members of the Taliban Five contributed to this alliance. According to leaked JTF-GTMO files and court documents, the U.S. government believes that Khairullah Khairkhwa was tied to Osama bin Laden and oversaw one of the deceased al Qaeda master’s training camps in western Afghanistan.

According to the United Nations, Abdul Haq Wassiq served as the deputy director of intelligence for the Taliban, and in this role he “was in charge of handling relations with Al-Qaida-related foreign fighters and their training camps in Afghanistan.” It was in these same camps that al Qaeda trained terrorists for its plots against the United States.

Like Fazl, Norullah Noori was a Taliban military commander, and in this capacity he coordinated operations with al Qaeda’s paramilitary forces.

And, finally, JTF-GTMO concluded that Mohammad Nabi Omari planned anticoalition attacks with al Qaeda and other affiliated forces.

The Taliban Five may not plan any direct attacks against the United States in the future. But they have already strengthened the hand of al Qaeda terrorists who have planned such attacks in the past. Why should we assume, as the Obama administration asks us to, that they will not do so again in the future?

The administration once recognized the true nature of the Taliban-al Qaeda alliance. In December 2009, President Obama announced a surge of forces in Afghanistan to reverse the Taliban’s “momentum” and “defeat” al Qaeda. “We must deny al Qaeda a safe haven,” Obama said. And he reminded his listeners that prior to 9/11, “al Qaeda’s base of operations was in Afghanistan, where they were harbored by the Taliban—a ruthless, repressive, and radical movement that seized control of that country after it was ravaged by years of Soviet occupation and civil war, and after the attention of America and our friends had turned elsewhere.”

America is once again turning elsewhere. The Taliban is still allied with al Qaeda.

 

Thomas Joscelyn is a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.





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